Closer Anglosphere Alignment needed

[ft.niagara]

Our core values have been detrimentally been altered with the advent of 'Charter rights and Freedoms' something I believe that never should have been tolerated by the English speaking, Christian majority.

I think this will be a tough hurdle now in this country to return to core values legally, although core values technically speaking, are still a reality to the majority.

I think your correct concerning your overall assessment and of course Western forces and allies are acutely aware concerning your thoughts and are desperately trying to prevent albeit temporally, the inevitable.

The inevitable being the absorbtion of Western culture by Middle Eastern culture?

I am not familiar with the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'. What changes did it bring which are detrimental to the English speaking majority?

[jbg]

I am not familiar with the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'. What changes did it bring which are detrimental to the English speaking majority?

In theory, none. In practice, it's explicit endorsement of what we in the US would call "affirmative action" and mandate of official bilingualism is a tilt towards the French. Most French-speaking people can also speak English; it's not true the other way around.

In a largely socialist country, with a large civil service (the size partially politically dictated) that's a recipe for favoring Francophones.

[Higgly]

The history of Israel, and the Zionists who created Israel, is dominated by leaders who sought to align themselves with the powers of the day: Britain (the Balfour Declaration and the 1919 Paris conference), the French (war with Egypt), and finally the Americans: Jabotinsky, Weitzmann, Ben Gurion, Meir, Shamir, Netanyahu, ***cough***psycopath***cough***Sharon***cough***psycopath***, Olmert. There have been a precious few who have had any real understanding of Arab culture and Arab values, nor any genuine contacts inside of the Arab world. Few who have ever tried to have any real dialogue with the Arabs: Sharett and Rabin are the only ones that I know of, and Rabin was assassinated by an American-Jewish terrorist for his trouble.

This thread is just another thought in that vein.

[Leafless]

Our core values have been detrimentally been altered with the advent of 'Charter rights and Freedoms' something I believe that never should have been tolerated by the English speaking, Christian majority.

I think this will be a tough hurdle now in this country to return to core values legally, although core values technically speaking, are still a reality to the majority.

I think your correct concerning your overall assessment and of course Western forces and allies are acutely aware concerning your thoughts and are desperately trying to prevent albeit temporally, the inevitable.

The inevitable being the absorbtion of Western culture by Middle Eastern culture?

I am not familiar with the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'. What changes did it bring which are detrimental to the English speaking majority?

You should have included in your quote, the whole quote "English speaking, Christian majority."

What the Charter does is tend to forcefully equalize basically, language and religion from being traditionally dominated by a traditional majority. Relating to Islam and Muslims is a very strict domineering religious, political religion that it seems the federal government is incapable of controllng it's negative influence on Canadian society.

It should be noted that almost every country in the world enjoys it's traditions, a majority religion and other values built and supported by the MAJORITY of it's citizens. I don't think anyone would argue that these common ingredients is what forms the fabric of ANY given country other than Canada.

In Canada with the advent of the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms' basically forcefully deletes majority interest of it's cherished values and allows GOVERNMENT to DICTATE traditional values.

This of course is absolutely DISCRIMINATORY and OPPRESSING concerning our concept of democracy with this type government intervention to employ state control, controlling aspects of religion, language and other national traditional values originally concerning the traditional will of the majority.

Canada is the ONLY country in the world that caters to minorities with an 'official multicultural policy including the Charter of Rights and Freedoms' that is totally destructive to majority concerns. You must ask yourself why NO other country in the world has ever attempted to take language and culture and to unilaterally dictate legislation according to the potentially conflicting views of the present federal government in power?

Naturally this is a recipe for disaster, as it pits one group against the other and it will only be a matter of time before the whole concept of 'official multiculturalism' comes crashing down.

I suggest you download a copy of the flawed 'Charter of rights and Freedoms' and examine the rights in the document and notice how rights are supported and bounce from one area to the other and including no restrictions to the promotion of certain rights by the federal government.

[Figleaf]

In Canada with the advent of the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms' basically forcefully deletes majority interest of it's cherished values and allows GOVERNMENT to DICTATE traditional values.

I'm sorry, but that comment contains an inherent idiocy. How can 'traditional' values be 'dictated'??

If you're going to talk nonsense, at least try to make it comprehensible nonsense please.

[ft.niagara]

Naturally this is a recipe for disaster, as it pits one group against the other

Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed response. As time permits, I will download the CORAF and read it. I remember on this forum a topic about the French affirmative action issue was discussed. One of the posters was a civil servant from Ottawa. He described a language test which must be taken and passed before one can be hired for a job. In order to obtain a high enough grade in French is difficult for an English speaking person, he acknowledged. It was noted that most of the new hires were Frankophones into the federal (Canadian) system. Sometimes laws have long lasting nonintended results. It is as though someone is given the authority to experiment with people's lives.

In the US, there is this concept of affirmative action with the intent to redress wrongs of slavery. It is basicly reversal discrimination, and open ended to boot. Racism is wrong in what ever the flavor.

[jbg]

The history of Israel, and the Zionists who created Israel, is dominated by leaders who sought to align themselves with the powers of the day: Britain (the Balfour Declaration and the 1919 Paris conference), the French (war with Egypt), and finally the Americans: Jabotinsky, Weitzmann, Ben Gurion, Meir, Shamir, Netanyahu, ***cough***psycopath***cough***Sharon***cough***psycopath***, Olmert. There have been a precious few who have had any real understanding of Arab culture and Arab values, nor any genuine contacts inside of the Arab world. Few who have ever tried to have any real dialogue with the Arabs: Sharett and Rabin are the only ones that I know of, and Rabin was assassinated by an American-Jewish terrorist for his trouble.

This thread is just another thought in that vein.

This shows that you do not understand the Jewish people. We are a people who adhere strongly to the rule of law, not the rule of man. Thus, we tend to align with similar groups and cultures. Thus, the alignment with the Anglosphere.

[Higgly]

O brother. Whose law are we talking about?

What a maroon.

[ft.niagara]

What a maroon.

Do you mean moron? If you do where are the moderators?

[jbg]

O brother. Whose law are we talking about?

What a maroon.

Do you really expect a substantive response to that name calling?

[ft.niagara]

O brother. Whose law are we talking about?

What a maroon.

Higgly reminds me of galloway on another board. Both are Irish names, but both are truly probably arab muslims.

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic...amp;#entry97467

"There is no evidence "OBL" had anything to do with 9/11..... There is more evidence pointing to people who actually have a motive and a capability to perform a brazen, coup-like event, that would kick off perpetual wars against the muslims for many many years.

I have not seen or met a "muslim radical" yet... except for a few who are paraded on TV by the media who, in most cases work for a western intelligence agency as agents and informants or provocateurs.... the most recent Canadian "terror plot" is a key example of these hoaxes meant to sow fear and hatred. Salmon Rushtie is a low life..... and again, like others is used to instigate trouble in the world.

As far as the bad bad Taliban "blowing up the Buddha rocks".... any christian fundamentalist in the bible belt would have done the same if they had the opportunity... so don't give me that B.S that the did something so bad....>!"

PS, I love the part about the 'Bubba Rocks'. Also, I love the 'maroon'. It doesn't translate well from arabic.

[Higgly]

Do you really expect a substantive response to that name calling?

You are right. Name calling is uncalled for. You have my apology. I will say though that you are one who frequentrly resorts to hard words and that has colored my attitude towards you.

Higgly reminds me of galloway on another board. Both are Irish names, but both are truly probably arab muslims.

It is ironic to find somebody supporting Israel by attacking on racial, cultural, religious or national lines. Wrong on both counts, by the way.

I thought that the premise of the original post was stretched. If you are going to cite English speaking countries, then how about South Africa, New Zealand, Zimbabwe, Singapore, Ireland.... Why be so selective?

In any case, English is not Israel's first language - Hebrew is. You will probably find a lot of Israelis, particularly immigrants from Eastern Europe and Russia, who speak little English. If you are going to develop an affinity based on the use of English, Israel might better fall into a group of countries where English is a frequent second langauge: Holland, the Scandavian countries, Malaysia, Puerto Rico...

[ft.niagara]

Wrong on both counts, by the way.

Which counts? Being arab? Being muslim? I'll bet you are not Irish. What did you think of galloway, BTW?

[Higgly]

Which counts? Being arab? Being muslim? I'll bet you are not Irish.

You seem to be determined to divert this tread into a discussion of my ethnic origins. Good luck with that.

What did you think of galloway, BTW?

I didn't read the link

[PolyNewbie]

There is a GREAT article about this in todays Star. It explains how business and government is working togather in the same way it began to in NAZI Germany in the 30's. Many aspects of business today closely resemble the practises of NAZI Germany.

This is a full page article and is a must read for anyone who wished to put the developments of today into Historical Perspective.

The article is called Power To The People and is in the ideas section.

I'll start buying the Star every day from here on in instead of the Globe because they are the only ones willing to help us understand what is going on. Maybe not all of mainstream media is corrupted after all..

[jefferiah]

Naturally this is a recipe for disaster, as it pits one group against the other

Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed response. As time permits, I will download the CORAF and read it. I remember on this forum a topic about the French affirmative action issue was discussed. One of the posters was a civil servant from Ottawa. He described a language test which must be taken and passed before one can be hired for a job. In order to obtain a high enough grade in French is difficult for an English speaking person, he acknowledged. It was noted that most of the new hires were Frankophones into the federal (Canadian) system. Sometimes laws have long lasting nonintended results. It is as though someone is given the authority to experiment with people's lives.

In the US, there is this concept of affirmative action with the intent to redress wrongs of slavery. It is basicly reversal discrimination, and open ended to boot. Racism is wrong in what ever the flavor.

Good point, Niagara. You know one time though I was talking to someone about "reverse discrimination". And this fellow said to me "I hate that term." And I thought maybe he was denying it existed. But I was wrong. And when I asked him why he disliked this term, he made a really strong point. "It implies that there is a certain direction that discrimination flows from in the first place."

[Figleaf]

This shows that you do not understand the Jewish people. We are a people who adhere strongly to the rule of law, not the rule of man.

I wish Israel would start to adhere to the ethical philosophy of Judaism for a change.

[ft.niagara]

I wish Israel would start to adhere to the ethical philosophy of Judaism for a change.

For example?

[Figleaf]

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Edited July 19, 2007 by Figleaf

[ft.niagara]

I wish Israel would start to adhere to the ethical philosophy of Judaism for a change.

For example?

Jbg mentioned adherence to the rule of law.

Ok, then some examples of breaking some law.

[Figleaf]

I wish Israel would start to adhere to the ethical philosophy of Judaism for a change.

For example?

Jbg mentioned adherence to the rule of law.

Ok, then some examples of breaking some law.

What?

[ft.niagara]

I wish Israel would start to adhere to the ethical philosophy of Judaism for a change.

For example?

Jbg mentioned adherence to the rule of law.

Ok, then some examples of breaking some law.

What?

jbg writes "We are a people who adhere strongly to the rule of law."

You write "I wish Israel would start to adhere to the ethical philosophy of Judaism for a change." (obey the rule of law)

I write "for example"

You write "Jbg mentioned adherence to the rule of law."

I write (give me) "some examples of breaking some law." (and thereby not adhering to their ethical philosophy)

You write "What?"

I would have thought by your quick response ("I wish Israel would start to adhere to the ethical philosophy of Judaism for a change.") that you had something in the back of your mind to backup the statement. Perhaps not.

[Figleaf]

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Edited July 19, 2007 by Figleaf

[ft.niagara]

But just one example, FYI, is the use of collective punishment in the form of home demolitions.

First I had heard of it, but your use of the word 'collective punishment' puts some light on it.

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/10/18/isrlpa9507.htm

"According to international law, Israel as an occupying power may destroy civilian property only when “rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.” Destroying property to improve the occupying power’s general security or as a broad precaution against hypothetical threats is prohibited.

“Israel’s conduct in southern Gaza stems from the assumption that every Palestinian is a suicide bomber and every home a base for attack,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “This policy of mass home destruction leads to serious violations of international humanitarian law meant to protect civilians.”"

Suicide bombing in market squares is a major issue. It is sponsored by the Palestinians and others. Tactics to prevent it are difficult, if not impossible. People have a RIGHT to live their lives free from terror. There comes the issue of which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

[M.Dancer]

“Israel’s conduct in southern Gaza stems from the assumption that every Palestinian is a suicide bomber and every home a base for attack,” said Kenneth Roth

Kenneth Rowe knows this becasue Kenneth Rowe reads minds.......and not because the houses bulldozed were the houses that sheltered the bombers.