Liberals Using sexist Card via Stronach

Ricki Bobbi · October 21, 2006

Oh good grief.
Mackay has brought this on himself by not apologizing.

And to demonstrate the silliness of the position you're taking on it I offer this analogy:

I point to my dog and say: "My bitch is in a bad mood today"

You point at your wife and say in response to me: "So is mine"

Now, how much will you protest to your wife that you didn't actually call her a "bitch" while she's righteously chewing your a$$ off?

You use that analogy to illustrate the silliness of somebody else's argument?

Hmmm, maybe if you didn't use the word bitch it could be remotely credible.

MacKay said nothing near as offensive as that.

jdobbin · October 21, 2006

No, they are called traitors, idiots, a$$ holes, etc.

Like Peter MacKay betraying the Progressive Conservatives to get a cabinet job?

Ricki Bobbi · October 21, 2006

Like Peter MacKay betraying the Progressive Conservatives to get a cabinet job?

To be fair MacKay betrayed David Orchard. Who gives a f*ck about David Orchard?

The majority of the Progressive Conservative members voted for the merger. Not really a betrayal...

gerryhatrick · October 21, 2006

Oh good grief.
Mackay has brought this on himself by not apologizing.

And to demonstrate the silliness of the position you're taking on it I offer this analogy:

I point to my dog and say: "My bitch is in a bad mood today"

You point at your wife and say in response to me: "So is mine"

Now, how much will you protest to your wife that you didn't actually call her a "bitch" while she's righteously chewing your a$$ off?

You use that analogy to illustrate the silliness of somebody else's argument?

Hmmm, maybe if you didn't use the word bitch it could be remotely credible.

MacKay said nothing near as offensive as that.

The analogy is solid. The use of the word "bitch" takes away nothing.

Essentially what we see from Mackay and some posters here is the same sort of response we see from the person saying "so is mine" in my analogy.

Ricki Bobbi · October 21, 2006

The analogy is solid. The use of the word "bitch" takes away nothing.
Essentially what we see from Mackay and some posters here is the same sort of response we see from the person saying "so is mine" in my analogy.

Sure. OK. :rolleyes:

B. Max · October 21, 2006

The analogy is solid. The use of the word "bitch" takes away nothing.
Essentially what we see from Mackay and some posters here is the same sort of response we see from the person saying "so is mine" in my analogy.

Sure. OK.

I hear yeah.

Drea · October 21, 2006

MacKay screwed up. Just admit it.

Now he's made a real mess of it.

Tsk tsk tsk.

Geez, I'm getting abit tired of you woman who think that you must try and prove your self better then men!

You haven't been here long enough to be tired of anything.

BTW, I've already proved that I am equal (no one said anything about being "better" than men... ). Women are still struggling with equality because of the backward thinking of some men.

admclark · October 21, 2006

Like Peter MacKay betraying the Progressive Conservatives to get a cabinet job?

To be fair MacKay betrayed David Orchard. Who gives a f*ck about David Orchard?

The majority of the Progressive Conservative members voted for the merger. Not really a betrayal...

Exactly! He did what the party wanted!

admclark · October 21, 2006

MacKay screwed up. Just admit it.
Now he's made a real mess of it.

Tsk tsk tsk.

Geez, I'm getting abit tired of you woman who think that you must try and prove your self better then men!

Honey you haven't been here long enough to be tired of anything.

BTW, I've already proved that I am equal (no one said anything about being "better" than men... ). Women are still struggling with equality because of the backward thinking of some men.

Well dear, I have been in politics a hell of alot longer then most people. (and I'm young)

B. Max · October 22, 2006

You haven't been here long enough to be tired of anything.
BTW, I've already proved that I am equal (no one said anything about being "better" than men... ). Women are still struggling with equality because of the backward thinking of some men.

Wrong. Feminists have been trying to prove they are something they are not. Or at least convince others they are.

jdobbin · October 22, 2006

Wrong. Feminists have been trying to prove they are something they are not. Or at least convince others they are.

And what is that? Does Drea call herself a feminist?

B. Max · October 22, 2006

Wrong. Feminists have been trying to prove they are something they are not. Or at least convince others they are.

And what is that? Does Drea call herself a feminist?

Sounds like one. If something is equal it is equal, it doesn't need millions of dollars and activist social engineering judges to make it so called equal.

Ricki Bobbi · October 22, 2006

And what is that? Does Drea call herself a feminist?

Judge a person by their actions, not by what they 'call themselves'. :lol:

Drea · October 22, 2006

Wrong. Feminists have been trying to prove they are something they are not. Or at least convince others they are.

And what is that? Does Drea call herself a feminist?

Sounds like one. If something is equal it is equal, it doesn't need millions of dollars and activist social engineering judges to make it so called equal.

Our society (all the earth actually) has lived under a partriarchy. Women and children were chattel. Women were not considered persons under the law until less than 100 years ago.

If something is equal its equal?

Women have never been treated equally. Not even today -- we are working on it though. Your great grandchildren will wonder what kind of barbarians we were. They'll wonder why women were excluded from leadership postions. Because by then, 50% of the world's leaders will be women (let's hope). Because, in case you haven't noticed, women do make up 50% of the population.

It does need social engineering. We need to teach our sons and daughters that no matter their gender, they can accomplish anything.

For too many years a woman had value only if she were a virgin or a mother. Now, we see women starting to break that mold. Women who are not mothers, who are not virgins have societal value from what we can bring to the table, not only what we can provide for men. Sex and food.

B. Max · October 22, 2006

It does need social engineering. We need to teach our sons and daughters that no matter their gender, they can accomplish anything.

Not according to real women.

http://www.realwomenca.com/press.htm#09_26_06

Ricki Bobbi · October 22, 2006

It does need social engineering. We need to teach our sons and daughters that no matter their gender, they can accomplish anything.

And our daughters that if they ever vote Conservative they were brainwashed somewhere along the line and need to be deprogrammed!

gerryhatrick · October 22, 2006

The analogy is solid. The use of the word "bitch" takes away nothing.
Essentially what we see from Mackay and some posters here is the same sort of response we see from the person saying "so is mine" in my analogy.

Sure. OK.

Oh, that's a mature response.

Explain exactly how my analogy doesn't fit, if you can. I won't hold my breath.

gerryhatrick · October 22, 2006

It does need social engineering. We need to teach our sons and daughters that no matter their gender, they can accomplish anything.

Not according to real women.

http://www.realwomenca.com/press.htm#09_26_06

The fact that they have to qualify themselves as being "real" speaks volumes about that group.

Drea · October 22, 2006

It does need social engineering. We need to teach our sons and daughters that no matter their gender, they can accomplish anything.

Not according to real women.

http://www.realwomenca.com/press.htm#09_26_06

Does "Real Women" NOT believe we should teach our children that they are equal? How could any mother say her children are not equal? That's just terrrible!

My son is just as capable in the kitchen as any 13 year old girl! He's just as capable of cleaning up after himself, just as capable of taking care of himself. He is just as equal as any girl!!!

jefferiah · October 22, 2006

Well I think everyone has gotten a little off topic here. Men and women are definitely equal. All I am saying is that the liberals have jumped all over the dog comment to make it look as if Peter McKay and all conservatives think women are less than equal. It doesnt matter if Belinda Stronach is worthy of being called a dog. Peter Mckay obviously doesnt like her, and insults are common place in politics anyway. But i think it is more slanderous of the liberals to libel the whole conservative party as being against women because someone called Miss Stronach a dog. It doesnt mean he thinks all women are dogs. An angry female reporter confronted Mckay and said something to the effect of "I am not a dog!" Did Peter McKay call the reporter a dog? I have nothing wrong with women wanting equality, what gets me is when women see chauvinism everywhere. I think Belinda Stronach and her cronies are intelligent enough to understand what I am saying, and know that it is true, and that they are using this whole thing as a smear.

B. Max · October 22, 2006

Does "Real Women" NOT believe we should teach our children that they are equal? How could any mother say her children are not equal? That's just terrrible!
My son is just as capable in the kitchen as any 13 year old girl! He's just as capable of cleaning up after himself, just as capable of taking care of himself. He is just as equal as any girl!!!

That's not what they said. They said they don't need millions of dollars and social engineering judges. What they are saying is a place for everything and everything in its place. Men and women are different trying to make men out of women and women out of men is social engineering by social engineers and work and we have a brainwashed screwed up society to prove it who can't even reproduce its self.

Drea · October 22, 2006

They said they don't need millions of dollars and social engineering judges.

Actually I agree to a certain extent -- as I am loathe to spend tax dollars on special interest groups.

But what about women leaving abusive relationships? Should we help them?

What they are saying is a place for everything and everything in its place.

This is so untrue! Because I am a female, I can only do such and such. Because my son is male, he can only do such and such? This does not make sense.

Men and women are different trying to make men out of women and women out of men is social engineering by social engineers and work and we have a brainwashed screwed up society to prove it who can't even reproduce its self.

No one is trying to make women into men. Women's ideas and opinions are just as valid as men's. In politics, law, finance, wherever. I don't want to be a man, nor do I want my value to be based soley on my ability to reproduce/attract a man.

I do my job (I love my career) because I love it, not because I want to "be one of the boys".

jbg · October 22, 2006

A couple of months ago my wife referred to her as a slut.

McKay should have all along played it smart and only date waitresses.

Mackay should have commented on Belinda's attributes in intimate settings.

Argus · October 22, 2006

So what made your wife call her a slut then?

Well, many women I know would call a woman who sleeps with another woman's husband a slut.

Men have crossed the floor and never once have they ever been called a slut or whore.

We did this when it happened. And you're wrong.

These are derogatory terms used exclusively to demean women.

Uhm, no, they're not.

Calling a woman a "dog" or inferring that a woman is a "dog" demeans her. When a man says "She's a dog!" he certainly does not mean "what a hardworking woman."

A guy blurted out an insult towards his ex. Get over it.

Geeze, Drea, are you going to need years of therapy to get over the trauma of hearing that this happened - even though you never actually heard it yourself? Are you damaged for life? Are you going to have nightmares and never again be able to see a dog without bursting into tears?

Argus · October 22, 2006

Your conservative wife is jealous of this educated, intelligent, articulate, good looking woman.

Uhmmm, Stronach is not educated - she's a college drop-out. As for articulate, she is wholy inept - like a deer caught in the headlights - in front of the cameras in anything but a tightly scripted environment.