Bob Rae and Fraud in BC!

watching&waiting · October 16, 2006

I have said already which party is brought to mind with the words fraud, corruption Thieves etc and yes it is the liberals. But when you say child molester and sexual predator, I still think of Sven Robinson and interm party leader Graham who keeps a youthful boy lover, and I gues many more. I do not see or think of any CPC members, but maybe I am not aware of them so please explain what you mean by this.

Maybe we need to look at the pages used on the hill.

gerryhatrick · October 16, 2006

I have said already which party is brought to mind with the words fraud, corruption Thieves etc and yes it is the liberals. But when you say child molester and sexual predator, I still thin g of Sven Robinson and interm party leader Graham who keeps a youthful boy lover, and I gues many more. I do not see or think of any CPC members, but maybe I am not aware of them so please explain what you mean by this.

Liberals are not brought to mind anymore than the CPC is with the words fraud, corruption, thieves, ect...

You are aware of a little problem they currently have with not declaring 1.7 million in donations?

Slander is slander. I've never heard of any boy lover of Graham or sexual predation of Sven Robinson. Feel free to enlighten me if you so wish.

watching&waiting · October 16, 2006

Go out and buy this months Frank Magazine and yiu will see the story about Graham and his boy toy living with him on Sussex Drive apt. I do know that Graham is out about his sexual preferences, but I was not so sure about his preferred age of lovers. But any way there is the place to start. And just to let you know I did not read the frank article as I already knew about his tastes etc. It is pretty well known around Ottawa.

MLP · October 16, 2006

But in either case, if something is equally as stupid (inane) as something else, then it does not logically follow that the two things must occur in equal numbers.

"Equally inane" implies that the idea of associating the Liberals with fraud is just as absurd as the idea of associating the Conservatives with child molestation. What you seem oblivious to is the fact that the association between Liberals and fraud/corruption is based on a series of actual events, whereas the association between Conservatives and child molesting is based on absolutely nothing. Sorry, but these comparisons are not equal in any sense of the word.

geoffrey · October 16, 2006

Ok. Let's end this. Every freakin' thread on this board is gerry vs. RB and co.. It's actually quite ridiculous.

The comments that gerry might be hiding some past sexual abuse or something is so far beyond the realm of appropriate. I strongly suggest that you, watching&waiting, retract such comments and apologise. You absolutely disgust me.

RB, suggestions that Greg is shielding gerry are ridiculous. You should have been banned along with him in previous threads if anything. Gerry rarely broke the rules until you arrived on the scene, and now every thread is turning into a vicious name calling match between you two. I'm frankly quite sick of it.

And lastly... Gerry... come on man. You've been here forever, and bring up some good points (though I rarely agree). These 'conservatives are worse nah nah nah nah boo boo' comments are very annoying though. Contribute to the discussion, or don't say anything. The discussion is about Bob Rae and fraud. Not about the Pope or a group of child molesters. What the heck was that comment about? I'll defend you up to a point, but man, you really bring it on yourself sometimes. Your no innocent angel in the scum the dicussion has turned to lately.

betsy · October 16, 2006

Thus rendering your request moot.

Actually, no, it doesn't. The request was based on your usage of the adverb "equally", not my misreading of the adjective you used to describe it. If it is equally inane/insane/preposterous/outrageous - call it whatever you want - then it stands to reason that there should be an equal number of child molestation accusations levied against the Conservatives as there have been fraud accusations levied against the Liberals.

Since you have repeatedly claimed this to be case, you shouldn't have any difficulty substantiating it, so let's see that evidence.

I don't think you understand what a parody is.

But in either case, if something is equally as stupid (inane) as something else, then it does not logically follow that the two things must occur in equal numbers.

I don't care to understand what YOU mean as a parody. You claimed yours to be a parody...I am not arguing about that! If you say so....then so be it. Although personally I think you just had a little explosive irrational "moment" there. But at least you seem to be calm and collected again. That's good. Did you do several deep breathings and successions of "ohhhhhmmmmmms?" :lol:

Anyway back to the argument...

Whether it's stupid or inane or something else.....it's clear:

The Liberal Party seems to be a magnet for those...er...fraudulent individuals...... :rolleyes:

betsy · October 16, 2006

We know fraud happen in politics. That it does exists:

But no other politcal party we know could churn them faster than the Liberals. Their "production" is quite unbelievable...they're so like into "manufacturing" and "whole sale!"

So you begin to wonder: what is it about THE PARTY itself?

gerryhatrick · October 16, 2006

But in either case, if something is equally as stupid (inane) as something else, then it does not logically follow that the two things must occur in equal numbers.

"Equally inane" implies that the idea of associating the Liberals with fraud is just as absurd as the idea of associating the Conservatives with child molestation. What you seem oblivious to is the fact that the association between Liberals and fraud/corruption is based on a series of actual events, whereas the association between Conservatives and child molesting is based on absolutely nothing. Sorry, but these comparisons are not equal in any sense of the word.

Actually, we're talking about a BLANKET accusation of fraud against Liberals, which is equally inane as a BLANKET accusation of child molestation against Conservatives.

In the last election we were treated to just such dishonest BLANKET accusations of corruption against Liberals, in spite of the fact that not a SINGLE Liberal running in that election was in any way even considered negligent in the adscam affair. Did you pull out your crying towel then?

Betsy plays this game all the time. Broad accusations against all Muslims wanting to kill all Jews. A fraud label for all Liberals. She's not willing to condemn the Pope for a letter instructing Bishops to keep evidence of child molestation secret....something that is an established fact...but she's willing to invent accusations against Muslims and Liberals easily enough.

Jerry J. Fortin · October 16, 2006

The Liberals deserved a beating for adscam. They got what was coming to them. The public could hardly stand for what had happened with ensuring a political consequence.

Technocrat · October 16, 2006

The Liberals deserved a beating for adscam. They got what was coming to them. The public could hardly stand for what had happened with ensuring a political consequence.

Actually im part of the public... i didn't "punish" the liberals for adscam... i just plain didn't like Martin so he didn't get my vote. I didn't vote for Harper either... he's not the kind of Conservative that I would vote for. Layton is just plain out a wanker... he comes across as a creepy used car salesman. Green party is just wacko.

To be honest... if there was a "Progressive Conservative" party still I would have voted for them... too bad there were those shenanigans a few years ago with the 'unite the right' movement and that sketchy party merger.

I would have given Joe Clark another go @ being PM... maybe he would have been in for more then 3 months

watching&waiting · October 16, 2006

Ok. Let's end this. Every freakin' thread on this board is gerry vs. RB and co.. It's actually quite ridiculous.
I do not hunt gerry, he posts in thread and yes I will react. The only taunt I have I gave him was when the polls had turn 180 degrees and then I made the point of how unsuitable it is to base so much on polls. I never made him the end point in that only showed him where errors are made .

The comments that gerry might be hiding some past sexual abuse or something is so far beyond the realm of appropriate. I strongly suggest that you, watching&waiting, retract such comments and apologise. You absolutely disgust me.

Well for some one who thinks and usually has a balanced mind, you seem to have forgotten it was not me who wanted to bring sexual predation and child molesting into this, and yes it discussed me that Gerry did it. So I gave him back a small taste by asking him since he quickly brought this up, did he have a past in this and if so did he want to share it. I did so with out being nasty, so you can take you disgust and put it where it belongs. If you were offended by that then you have way to thn a skin, for any dicussion site.

RB, suggestions that Greg is shielding gerry are ridiculous. You should have been banned along with him in previous threads if anything. Gerry rarely broke the rules until you arrived on the scene, and now every thread is turning into a vicious name calling match between you two. I'm frankly quite sick of it.

I never said that this was so, and yes RB does do this more then necessary, but I wonder at just how much of this is just being antagonistic, and if there is any small truths in this. Even if there is some effort to give one side more benefit of the doubt, and I am not saying for sure there is, I would not be bothered it by very much.

And lastly... Gerry... come on man. You've been here forever, and bring up some good points (though I rarely agree). These 'conservatives are worse nah nah nah nah boo boo' comments are very annoying though. Contribute to the discussion, or don't say anything. The discussion is about Bob Rae and fraud. Not about the Pope or a group of child molesters. What the heck was that comment about? I'll defend you up to a point, but man, you really bring it on yourself sometimes. Your no innocent angel in the scum the dicussion has turned to lately.

Now as for Gerry goes hey I am not mad at him and I am not even mildly upset. I will counter his points as I see fit, and yes I did not want to go down the child molester and predator road, but I am more then familiar with what is in Ottawa from all partes and I would have never outed anyone had they not already been. What I used to counter Gerrys remarks were public knowledge. I am not gay, but in and around Ottawa there are still many MPs' who are and have not made it public, yet the people know.

Gerry is always going to support the Liberals no matter what, and he is the one that choses the methods. I will do this just to show you what I mean. for one month I will ignore all of what Gerry says and will not respond no matter how his take gets. I will do this even if gerry will not agree to do the same, but I would preferr him to agree as well. That does not mean we won't post in the same threads, but it means I will not post in direct opposition to his posts. After the month goes by we will let the members decide if they think it was lived up to by all. To me this will not be hard to do. I can not talk for RB but he may well agree to this as well.

Now I apologise for hijacking this thread to say this in responce to your post, and will say lets get back to topic

gc1765 · November 7, 2006

Here's the latest:

OTTAWA (CP) - Michael Ignatieff's front-running Liberal leadership campaign was dinged $1,000 Monday for making unsubstantiated accusations of fraud against chief rival Bob Rae.

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