Why are the Conservatives Killing the Wheat Board?

[jdobbin]

The Liberals already killed the CWB in 2004 when they signed onto the WTO agreement..See deal here.....http://www.wbga.org/10-22-04.pdf..Harper is just burying the stinking Communist Wheat Board's body.....As for Stephane Dion, when that French Poodle stands up and tells all the farmer's in Quebec and Ontario that they will be forced to sell their wheat trough the CWB or go to jail, maybe he will have some credibility....So far he doesn't seem to know whether he is wiping his butt or blowing his nose......

Reported.

[rbacon]

An independant survey by CFIB finds that 89% of Alberta farmers want the CWB either gone completely or as a dual sytem, the average over the prairies is 80% want choice and not necessarily the CWB......This survey was commissioned by the Alberta Government by the CFIB.......Goodbye Communist Wheat Board.....CFIB Survey Results - December 6, 2006

The Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB) issued a news release on December 6, 2006 with results from the latest survey regarding wheat and barley marketing and the role of the Canadian Wheat Board (CWB). According to the survey, CFIB agri-business members responded the following way:

80% want the option to market wheat and barley outside the CWB

16% do not want the option of marketing outside the CWB

4% don't know

60% feel that it is important that the CWB remains a marketing option

By Province:

Alberta: 89% want marketing choice, 8% do not (3% don't know)

Saskatchewan: 77% want marketing choice, 21% do not (2% don't know)

Manitoba: 70% want marketing choice, 26% do not (4% don't know)

For more information on this survey including the news release and survey results, visit CFIB's website and see the December 6, 2006 news release: CFIB Website

[rbacon]

You can find that survey here on the Alberta Government Agriculture site......http://www.choicematters.gov.ab.ca/news_detail.cfm?story_id=184 It is truly amazing how Communists twist the facts to suit their own purpose.....Western farmers want choice in selling their own property.....Goodbye Communist Wheat Board....

[jdobbin]

An independant survey by CFIB finds that 89% of Alberta farmers want the CWB either gone completely or as a dual sytem, the average over the prairies is 80% want choice and not necessarily the CWB......This survey was commissioned by the Alberta Government by the CFIB.......Goodbye Communist Wheat Board.....CFIB Survey Results - December 6, 2006

This isn't a poll of actual grain farmers.

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix...ea-996882cdeac3

"Simpson said of CFIB's 1,800 Prairie agri-business members, 68 per cent are farmers and 32 per cent represent the agriculture services sector"

And from that:

"60 per cent of respondents said it would still be very or somewhat important to their business for the board to remain as an option if marketing choice was introduced, agri-business policy analyst Gaylene Simpson said."

Ultimately, it should be grain farmers who decide this and not people who work for grain companies.

[rbacon]

The fact is the CWB does not publise that all farmers are entitled to vote in their elections...They know what the results would be....Hopefully when Harper's Government polls us the Western Farmers he polls all of us on what to do with the Communist Wheat Board and we will vote overwhelmingly to make it dual marketing or shut it down...If he doesn't shut it down we will go to court and force it upon Ontario and Quebec....In anycase Alberta could be opting out of the Communist Wheat Board under Stelmach...We already have the legislation in place.....

[jdobbin]

The fact is the CWB does not publise that all farmers are entitled to vote in their elections...They know what the results would be....Hopefully when Harper's Government polls us the Western Farmers he polls all of us on what to do with the Communist Wheat Board and we will vote overwhelmingly to make it dual marketing or shut it down...If he doesn't shut it down we will go to court and force it upon Ontario and Quebec....In anycase Alberta could be opting out of the Communist Wheat Board under Stelmach...We already have the legislation in place.....

Citation for your facts?

[rbacon]

The CWB doesn't poll all farmers either they only send out ballots to those holding a CWB license.......They are not all farmers.....The CFIB poll is a true random poll of all farmers across Alberta and the Prairies paid for by the Alberta Government......A true random sample.....The Commie Wheat Board is done like dinner....Bury the body....

[jdobbin]

The CWB doesn't poll all farmers either they only send out ballots to those holding a CWB license.......They are not all farmers.....The CFIB poll is a true random poll of all farmers across Alberta and the Prairies paid for by the Alberta Government......A true random sample.....The Commie Wheat Board is done like dinner....Bury the body....

The CFIB isn't all farmers. It is only 70% farmers and not all of them grain farmers. Get your facts straight.

[rbacon]

Here is the citation, that most farmers and the general public is not aware of, any producer can vote in their elections, and the NO CWB side is starting to publish this fact so we can all have a say in the Communist Wheat Board....The end is coming for the Commies.........This info is also available on the CWB site......[Anyone who has delivered grain to the CWB in 2005/06 or 2006/07 is automatically on the voters’ list. However, eligible voters are not limited to only those who deliver to the CWB. Any producer (from odd numbered districts) of wheat, barley, canola, oats, flaxseed, rapeseed or rye may vote, regardless of how they use or market their crop.

Those who are not automatically on the voters’ list but wish to vote must complete a statutory declaration form and submit it to the CWB Election Coordinator before November 17, 2006 at midnight (Central Time).

Click here for a statutory declaration, which must be signed and witnessed by a Commissioner for Oaths/Notary Public.

Mail-in ballots must be post marked no later than December 1, 2006.]

[jdobbin]

Here is the citation, that most farmers and the general public is not aware of, any producer can vote in their elections, and the NO CWB side is starting to publish this fact so we can all have a say in the Communist Wheat Board....The end is coming for the Commies.........This info is also available on the CWB site......[Anyone who has delivered grain to the CWB in 2005/06 or 2006/07 is automatically on the voters’ list. However, eligible voters are not limited to only those who deliver to the CWB. Any producer (from odd numbered districts) of wheat, barley, canola, oats, flaxseed, rapeseed or rye may vote, regardless of how they use or market their crop.

Those who are not automatically on the voters’ list but wish to vote must complete a statutory declaration form and submit it to the CWB Election Coordinator before November 17, 2006 at midnight (Central Time).

Click here for a statutory declaration, which must be signed and witnessed by a Commissioner for Oaths/Notary Public.

Mail-in ballots must be post marked no later than December 1, 2006.]

The CFIB vote was not all farmers. You used those stats to justify your claim.

And the vote is in. The Canadian Wheat Board elected directors not in favour of ending the single desk.

The bullying by the federal government didn't work.

Your ideas of communism are pretty odd. Get a dictionary.

[rbacon]

The only bullying that has been going on is all done by the Communist Wheat Board, I reference the 13 Alberta Farmers put in jail for selling their own property......Anyway Alberta has the Act in place and I hear Stelmach will proclaim it into law in Alberta.....The Commies will be out in Alberta.....By the way why do none of you pro Commie Wheat Board types not advocate that Quebec and Ontario be forced to comply with the Communist Wheat Board....A portion of the Alberta Act which it is rumoured that Stelmach will declare....The Freedom of Farmers in Alberta finally.......ALBERTA WHEAT AND BARLEY

TEST MARKET ACT

Chapter A‑37.5

Preamble

WHEREAS the Canadian Wheat Board has a monopoly over the Canadian wheat market as the single desk buyer and seller of wheat and barley grown in the prairie provinces for export and domestic human consumption;

WHEREAS the Board was initially established as a temporary measure in response to wheat market conditions and other world events;

WHEREAS the creation of the Board has adversely affected Alberta’s agricultural industry through the loss of secondary industries to other parts of Canada;

WHEREAS the Board’s monopoly is an outdated concept in the world’s current climate of increasingly free markets;

WHEREAS a 1995 plebiscite of Alberta wheat and barley farmers indicated majority support for a dual marketing system that would provide farmers with the freedom to sell their wheat or barley either through the Canadian Wheat Board or on the open market;

WHEREAS recent changes at the Canadian Wheat Board have not resolved the problems faced by Alberta farmers, namely, lack of compensation for top quality wheat, restricted cash flow and poor export opportunities; and

WHEREAS there is a need to develop alternatives to the Board’s current monopoly;

THEREFORE HER MAJESTY, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta, enacts as follows:

Definitions

1 In this Act,

(a) “Minister” means the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development;

( “producer” means a person engaged in the production of wheat or barley;

© “test market” means an open market for wheat and barley created pursuant to an agreement under section 2.

Agreement

2(1) The Minister may, upon receiving the approval of the Lieutenant Governor in Council, enter into an agreement with

(a) the appropriate Minister of the Government of Canada,

( the Canadian Wheat Board, or

© both (a) and (,

for the purpose of establishing an open market, on a test basis, for the purchase and sale of wheat and barley produced in Alberta.

(2) An agreement made under subsection (1) must include the following terms and conditions:

(a) producers have the option of marketing any portion of their wheat or barley to

(i) the Canadian Wheat Board, or

(ii) any other buyer;

( the test market will be in place for a minimum period of 10 years.

Regulations

3 Subject to an agreement made under section 2, the Minister may make regulations governing any matter respecting the implementation of a test market in Alberta.

Coming into force

4 This Act comes into force on January 1, 2003.

[jdobbin]

The only bullying that has been going on is all done by the Communist Wheat Board, I reference the 13 Alberta Farmers put in jail for selling their own property......Anyway Alberta has the Act in place and I hear Stelmach will proclaim it into law in Alberta.....The Commies will be out in Alberta.....By the way why do none of you pro Commie Wheat Board types not advocate that Quebec and Ontario be forced to comply with the Communist Wheat Board....A portion of the Alberta Act which it is rumoured that Stelmach will declare....The Freedom of Farmers in Alberta finally.......ALBERTA WHEAT AND BARLEY

Those Alberta farmers were free to vote in their opposing directors this month. They didn't.

The government's tactics have angered farmers.

http://www.winnipegfreepress2.com/blogs/kusch/index.php

"Dwayne Anderson thinks Agriculture Minister Chuck Strahl should ease up on the Canadian Wheat Board file and deal with more pressing farm concerns.

“They’ve got to take this wheat board issue off of the front pages and start to deal with some of the bigger issues in agriculture,” said Anderson, a marketing choice supporter from Saskatchewan who lost his seat on the CWB board of directors Sunday to challenger Kyle Korneychuk, a single desk supporter."

[rbacon]

The CWB votes are rigged the electoral districts in Alberta are overlapped with the Commie lovers in Sask....Alberta will be going it's own way....You failed to answer my question why you and others who are so enlightened on property rights do not advocate that the CWB be forced upon Ontario and Quebec farmers.....The Communist Wheat Board is toast......

[jdobbin]

The CWB votes are rigged the electoral districts in Alberta are overlapped with the Commie lovers in Sask....Alberta will be going it's own way....You failed to answer my question why you and others who are so enlightened on property rights do not advocate that the CWB be forced upon Ontario and Quebec farmers.....The Communist Wheat Board is toast......

Baloney. Your tactics are what are driving farmers away from supporting a dual desk.

[rbacon]

Why have you failed to anwer my question? When are you going to advocate that the CWB be forced on Ontario and Quebec farmers......Alberta will soon be out of the Commie Wheat Board anyway....Albertans know why Manitobans like the Communist Wheat Board, it is because of grain forced to be shipped to Churchill and jobs in Manitoba to be paid for by farmers in Alberta....Well that is coming to an end....The rumour here is that Stelmach is going to force the issue by enforcing the Alberta rules in Alberta, and Alberta farmers will enmasse be out of the Communist Wheat Board if that is what they want.....Beautiful Ting......

[jdobbin]

Why have you failed to anwer my question? When are you going to advocate that the CWB be forced on Ontario and Quebec farmers......Alberta will soon be out of the Commie Wheat Board anyway....Albertans know why Manitobans like the Communist Wheat Board, it is because of grain forced to be shipped to Churchill and jobs in Manitoba to be paid for by farmers in Alberta....Well that is coming to an end....The rumour here is that Stelmach is going to force the issue by enforcing the Alberta rules in Alberta, and Alberta farmers will enmasse be out of the Communist Wheat Board if that is what they want.....Beautiful Ting......

The reason is that western farmer didn't want eastern farmers in it. 95% of grain farming is in the west.

The rest of your premise is totally wrong.

[rbacon]

Dobbin you are telling the truth to suit your own purpose again....The reason Quebec and Ontario farmers are not in is because they don't want to be, they have choice in marketing and have had for a few years....And you know what Dobbin the sky didn't fall, the world is still buying wheat......This thing is going to be forced upon you whether you like it or not......The state doesn't own the farmers wheat, it is the property of the farmer and the farmer should decide how to dispose of his own property in whatever way is best for him....

[jdobbin]

Dobbin you are telling the truth to suit your own purpose again....The reason Quebec and Ontario farmers are not in is because they don't want to be, they have choice in marketing and have had for a few years....And you know what Dobbin the sky didn't fall, the world is still buying wheat......This thing is going to be forced upon you whether you like it or not......The state doesn't own the farmers wheat, it is the property of the farmer and the farmer should decide how to dispose of his own property in whatever way is best for him....

Citation for your claim that the east never wanted to be in the Wheat Board? The reason they aren't there is because they were an largely insignificant part of the grain trade. Westerners wanted a Board because they were more interested in the export market and were having problems with the old system prior to 1935.

Ontario farmer represent just 4% of the grain farmers. They have their own marketing board which the Conservatives want to get rid of.

http://www.ontariowheatboard.com/about/about.html

The western provinces wanted the Board for their own unique production and marketing. You can read a history if you like. It's all there.

[rbacon]

I am well aware of the history of the Communist Wheat Board.......Albertan's and the Conservatives are not trying to get rid of the CWB, history states that the Liberal Party of Canada signed the WTO agreement and the WTO has stated that the CWB must cease and desist.....Harper is trying to do what the Liberals agreed to do.......We want choice in marketing....And we will get choice in marketing......Canada doesn't own my wheat, I do....You don't own my wheat I do....What is so hard to grasp about that....The CWB will survive with dual marketing but they will have to do their job and quit spending money on themselves and playing at politics.....Myself I would vote to get rid of them entirely but like others are willing to let live....Except I want the same right to sell my property were ever to who ever I choose.....

[Saturn]

A crisis is that due to Liberal policy there are farmers going out of business and having to flock to the city and plug up the welfare system and add more population and more stress to the city, keep us in the country and it helps everyone. Hmm, if a farmer had more money he'd be able to pay more tax, do you know what the GST on a new combine is? its a lot more than some people's income tax return. Us small producers is why your food is so cheap at the store, just remember that the next time you buy something, I'd hate to see how much food would cost if Tyson foods gobbled up all the land in Canada. There is a potential for a profitable industry here but its people like you who despise rural Canada that keep holding us back, and you wonder why there is a Bloc Quebecois. I'll say again when an industry is threatened, gov't should get involved, not in moral, idealogical, cultural, traditional aspects, that's where society can protect, society can't protect us. Why are you against rural Canada having a profitable industry, why should it be only Ontario that has profitable industry, are we your serfs? If there weren't multinationals stealing our produce we wouldn't ask the gov't for anything, we are too small. For the school thing you'd rather have people held back so they conform to a certain vision, sorry not everyone conforms to the "Liberal vison" What would you like all the farms to be Wal-mart like and the workers get minimum wage? Sounds like it and from the sounds of things your against small business. We had a good system, if it ain't broke don't fix it - THAT'S true conservative idealogy, well I would say our system was good but the big boys from out east wrecked it. Keep the production end small and have us all competing with each other, that will keep the price down. Good grief if it weren't for government intervention the entertainment and recording industry would go belly up (copyright laws anyone!!) why should they get benefits and not us? Why are you against the average person getting ahead? Just because a lot of people don't have a university degree they're automatically doomed to failure, that's crap and you know it.

With the plan outlined in the Doc, we CAN have a profitable industry and we'd never have to bother the gov't again. Imagine if there was a plan like that to deal with homeless people. But guys like you would like to hold us back and just write us cheques and hopefully the problem will solve itself, and you wonder why the west is Tory blue.

You seem to hate the government sticking up for industry which benefits working Canadians the most, but god forbid if they go after Day Care or some other social program. We're looking for a hand up, not a hand out. This is why Canada is ungovernable, we out here cannot have people from Ontario deciding our fate, they just don't understand.

Liberal, blah, blah. I suppose you will blame the liberals that the Canadian population has changed from 90% farmers in the 1880s to 2% farmers in the 2000s. What you don't realize (or don't admit to) here is that what is happening in farming is happening in just about every industry out there. From banking and media to manufacturing and accounting. Industries are consolidating across the board and the multinationals are taking jobs overseas, taking down all barriers and protectionism for north american jobs along the way.

However, all that interests you is YOUR industry, YOUR jobs and you want government help for YOURSELF. When it comes to protecting the smaller guys in manufacturing, or banking, communications and the arts, according to you government should get the hell out. If the small guys in YOUR industry don't get government help, then the evil east somehow doesn't like you and the Liberals are after you and blah, blah, it never ends. Again, it's not the industry that is being threatened, it's the small players in the industry. No one is a bigger friend of the big guys than Harper's government. When the industry minister overturned the CRTC decision to give temporary protection to the small guys in the telecom business and to the consumer, you were delighted "No, government should get the hell out and let Bell and Rogers run the show". Well, then why should government give protection to the small guys in farming? That's pretty hypocritical of you - government should help ME when I'm in trouble but government shouldn't help anyone else. Well, the Conservative ideology dictates that the CRTC must be killed and the same goes for your CRTC-The Wheat Board.

So what if a couple of multinationals produce all the food? I have 2 telecom companies to choose from, 5 (soon to be 3) banks to choose from, 2 media companies to choose from, Wal-Mart and The Bay to choose from...so what's new here? Nothing - I have little choice in everything, food included. Or should I have special sentiments just for farmers and want special rules/protection just for them because they live in rural areas and hate us "eastern bastards".

As for Wal-Mart, you should check the hansard for all the wonderful speeches the Conservatives made in parliament praising Wal-Mart for being the greatest corporate citizen. The Conservatives love Wal-Mart, you should too. It must be ok for city people to lose their jobs and work for minimum wage at Wal-Mart because of Conservative support for multinationals. It's just not ok when it happens to YOU in farming.

The West is Tory blue because you are nuts. It's a mean thing to say, but when somebody's ideology is bleeding you and you still vote for them - that's pretty nuts. You don't care for the actual Tory policies, all you care is that they somehow supposedly hurt the east. Not true, but hurting the east and banning gay marriage are somehow the most important goals for prairie dwellers and anything that may appear to achieve these goals is what you'll vote for. Even if it comes back to bite you on the ass.

Edit: As rbacon put is so eloquently: "It is up to Harper to bring that realization to the old Communists in Sask. and Manitoba that think they can still eat other peoples bread and not pay for it". What you want from the government for farmers is something Tommy Douglas or some left-winger would do. Harper is diametrically opposed to this kind of thing. As Chuck Strahl put it his goal is to demolish the wheat board but it cannot be done at once - so he is going to do it step by step.

[jdobbin]

I am well aware of the history of the Communist Wheat Board.......Albertan's and the Conservatives are not trying to get rid of the CWB, history states that the Liberal Party of Canada signed the WTO agreement and the WTO has stated that the CWB must cease and desist.....Harper is trying to do what the Liberals agreed to do.......We want choice in marketing....And we will get choice in marketing......Canada doesn't own my wheat, I do....You don't own my wheat I do....What is so hard to grasp about that....The CWB will survive with dual marketing but they will have to do their job and quit spending money on themselves and playing at politics.....Myself I would vote to get rid of them entirely but like others are willing to let live....Except I want the same right to sell my property were ever to who ever I choose.....

Here's what the WTO actually did. Stop your lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Wheat_Board

"Although the Board was reformed to meet free market conditions under the North American Free Trade Agreement and the World Trade Organization Treaty, American producers continually complain. Despite numerous challenges and much posturing by the United States, the World Trade Organization ruled in 2003 that the Wheat Board was a producer marketing body and not a system for government subsidy, although the decision has since been overturned. In fact, Canadian producers have almost no government subsidy while their American and European Union counterparts are heavily subsidized. The attacks on the Wheat Board are one of the major irritants in bilateral relations between Canada and the United States."

[Saturn]

I am well aware of the history of the Communist Wheat Board.......Albertan's and the Conservatives are not trying to get rid of the CWB, history states that the Liberal Party of Canada signed the WTO agreement and the WTO has stated that the CWB must cease and desist.....Harper is trying to do what the Liberals agreed to do.......We want choice in marketing....And we will get choice in marketing......Canada doesn't own my wheat, I do....You don't own my wheat I do....What is so hard to grasp about that....The CWB will survive with dual marketing but they will have to do their job and quit spending money on themselves and playing at politics.....Myself I would vote to get rid of them entirely but like others are willing to let live....Except I want the same right to sell my property were ever to who ever I choose.....

Ok, little NAZI. Are you going to stop using "Communist" for everything you don't like, or should we start using Nazi for everything we don't like?

[rbacon]

Under Communism the state owns all the property, thus the reference to Communist Wheat Board......And you are lying about the WTO, the ruling went against the CWB in a big way....In the ruling it states that the Taxpayers or Government of Canada can no longer underwrite and guarantee the loans or bonds of the CWB......In the real world that means the death of the CWB as we know it......My little Commie buddy....Get your facts straight......The Liberal Party of Canada signed onto and agreed to the WTO demand Harper is just implimenting the Liberal Voters like yourself's wishes.....Goodbye Communist Wheat Board......

[jdobbin]

Ok, little NAZI. Are you going to stop using "Communist" for everything you don't like, or should we start using Nazi for everything we don't like?

We should take it with a grain of salt. He can't write proper sentences or back his extravagant claims.

His WTO claim is quite rich. He is most likely trolling into getting your or others banned.

[rbacon]

Under Communism the state owns all the property, thus the reference to Communist Wheat Board......And you are lying about the WTO, the ruling went against the CWB in a big way....In the ruling it states that the Taxpayers or Government of Canada can no longer underwrite and guarantee the loans or bonds of the CWB......In the real world that means the death of the CWB as we know it......My little Commie buddy....Get your facts straight......The Liberal Party of Canada signed onto and agreed to the WTO demand Harper is just implimenting the Liberal Voters like yourself's wishes.....Goodbye Communist Wheat Board......