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jbg · October 16, 2006

In Ontario, Muslim extremists even attempted to have the Government of Ontario adopt Sheria Law. Fortunately,
You are seriously bringing that up???
I would say that unfortunately, people like you have no understanding over that issue. Nobody was demanding the Ontario Government adopt Sharia Law. The request was to allow people to mediate civil disputes under the tenets of Sharia Law when both parties of the dispute consent. The Government of Ontario permits this for other religious groups....Do you know anything about civil mediation in your province????

What was contemplated was giving Court imprimateur to "voluntary submission" to "arbitration" (not mediation) by Sharia counsels. As a lawyer I am quite familiar with arbitration clauses in contracts. They are not particularly voluntary. If you look at your agreement with the bank processing your MasterCard or VISA they probably require arbitration, which creates a waiver of jury trial rights and right to recourse to the Courts, even for legal errors. The only Court control is over whether the parties agreed to arbitrate and whether the arbitor(s) was (were) biased.

In Islam, presumably, the agreement that one enters into as part of marrying would include consent to Sharia arbitration. Effectively, since a person on the verge of being married has a lot on their mind besides alternative dispute resolution techniques, they may well not really consent to arbitration under the barbaric Sharia provisions.

The so-called "consent" to Sharia determination, in Islam, is often procured by duress, intimidation and/or outright violence.

Charles Anthony · October 16, 2006

What was contemplated was giving Court imprimateur to "voluntary submission" to "arbitration" (not mediation) by Sharia counsels. As a lawyer I am quite familiar with arbitration clauses in contracts. They are not particularly voluntary.

Thank you for shedding some light on the issue.

Let us see what other people have to say:

Ontario formally passes law to prohibit sharia

McGuinty surprised many when he announced he would not only ban Shariah, but would also prohibit all religious arbitrations in Ontario.

The Canadian Jewish Congress said Tuesday it was disappointed with the new law.

"It assumes that faith-based approaches to arbitration are innately exploitative," said Mark Freiman, honorary legal counsel for the Canadian Jewish Congress Ontario Region.

"This view is insulting to all women and to the faiths to which Ontarians adhere. It should concern all people in this province."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...4/20060214?hub=

Ontario Premier rejects use of Shariah law

Ontario has allowed Catholic and Jewish faith-based tribunals to settle family law matters on a voluntary basis since 1991, but the practice got little attention until Muslim leaders demanded the same rights.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/09/09/...s-20050909.html

This is another in a long line of posts that tries to say it's obvious that Muslims are different, that they will subvert our society and change us into a secular state.

I agree.

Very cute - I was carrying this nick name long before Start Trek ever invented them.

Surely, you can understand that your outlook for the future with respect to population dynamics might suggest the reverse sequence of events? In fact, your writing style has a robotic and unemotional meter, too.

In fact I believe I stated that in my very first post.

Forgive me. I missed your entrance and first post of the forum.

I doubt you could come up with one that I have not already heard - but I am quite ready to listen..
Got something a little more original?

Borg

Uh.... you want me to come up with a better silly joke related to your name??

Well, speaking of reverse sequences, Borg spelled backwards is Grob. For the non-polyglottophobes out there, "grob" is the Slavic word for "tomb" -- if interested, I suggest checking out Polish since it is the root of all Slavic languages.

So, I find it a funny co-incidence. Your writing style has the rhythm of a tomb stone inscription and with respect to the topic of this thread, your writing provides equal amounts of hope and inspiration.

Jerry J. Fortin · October 16, 2006

Well don't hold back or sugar coat it Charles!

scribblet · October 16, 2006

This is another in a long line of posts that tries to say it's obvious that Muslims are different, that they will subvert our society and change us into a secular state. The last time I asked for some real evidence of this, I was told 'can you prove it ISN'T true' ?

I don't think Canada is at that crossroads yet, we don't have the numbers, but take a look at what is happening in Britain, France and Holland, they have serious growing problems - in the UK Muslims are demanding special rights and Sharia Law. Hizb-ut-Tahrir is one group (now banned) hich advocates establishing a world wide caliphate. http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=170

Ethnic segregation in Britain is severe, will these children ever learn to be tolerant of othe religions and learn to adapt to their parent's adopted society?

...and, considering that we are told that militant Islamists only represent a very narrow fringe, maybe 10-15%. of all Musims, we should be concerned. That estimate works out to be something like well over a 100 millions extremeists - enough to to give anyone pause for thought.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/15/eur...1015muslims.php

Published: October 15, 2006

LEICESTER, England The sports hall doubles as a prayer room and dining hall for male teenagers, at other times for young women, but never the two together.

In the kindergarten, female teachers, warned of an impending visit by a man, draw full facial veils before receiving their guest. When the guest arrives, the children offer a chorus in Arabic: "As salaam aleikum" - peace be upon you.

"Here we can keep ourselves on the path of religion," said Nasir Nathalia, 15, a student at the Leicester Islamic Academy. His friend Mohammed Seedat agreed. "There is less chance here of going off the track," he said.

This is the piety that Britain's expanding Islamic schools seek to project, casting themselves as typical of the thousands of faith schools, mainly Christian, that make up roughly one-third of all publicly financed British schools.

But the visible differences - the way female teenagers wear the full-length dress and head-covering and the boys wear black robes and skullcaps - play into a ferocious debate about the sense of separateness or readiness to integrate Britain's estimated 1.8 million Muslims, about 3 percent of the population.

And the discussion touches on a much wider theme of ethnic segregation across the British state-financed educational system.

"Segregation is now so extreme in some schools that there is not much further it can go," Trevor Phillips, the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, told a parliamentary panel. "It doesn't help to prepare children in these schools for the real world."

-snip- While Christian schools say 25 percent of their seats are open to non- Christians, Mukadam said there were so few Islamic schools that it would be impractical to offer admission to non- Muslims.

Technocrat · October 16, 2006

What was contemplated was giving Court imprimateur to "voluntary submission" to "arbitration" (not mediation) by Sharia counsels. As a lawyer I am quite familiar with arbitration clauses in contracts. They are not particularly voluntary.
Thank you for shedding some light on the issue.
Let us see what other people have to say:

Ontario formally passes law to prohibit sharia

McGuinty surprised many when he announced he would not only ban Shariah, but would also prohibit all religious arbitrations in Ontario.

The Canadian Jewish Congress said Tuesday it was disappointed with the new law.

"It assumes that faith-based approaches to arbitration are innately exploitative," said Mark Freiman, honorary legal counsel for the Canadian Jewish Congress Ontario Region.

"This view is insulting to all women and to the faiths to which Ontarians adhere. It should concern all people in this province."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...4/20060214?hub=

Ontario Premier rejects use of Shariah law

Ontario has allowed Catholic and Jewish faith-based tribunals to settle family law matters on a voluntary basis since 1991, but the practice got little attention until Muslim leaders demanded the same rights.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/09/09/...s-20050909.html

This is another in a long line of posts that tries to say it's obvious that Muslims are different, that they will subvert our society and change us into a secular state.
I agree.
Very cute - I was carrying this nick name long before Start Trek ever invented them.
Surely, you can understand that your outlook for the future with respect to population dynamics might suggest the reverse sequence of events? In fact, your writing style has a robotic and unemotional meter, too.
In fact I believe I stated that in my very first post.
Forgive me. I missed your entrance and first post of the forum.
I doubt you could come up with one that I have not already heard - but I am quite ready to listen..
Got something a little more original?

Borg

Uh.... you want me to come up with a better silly joke related to your name??
Well, speaking of reverse sequences, Borg spelled backwards is Grob. For the non-polyglottophobes out there, "grob" is the Slavic word for "tomb" -- if interested, I suggest checking out Polish since it is the root of all Slavic languages.

So, I find it a funny co-incidence. Your writing style has the rhythm of a tomb stone inscription and with respect to the topic of this thread, your writing provides equal amounts of hope and inspiration.