The Greatest Crisis In Modern History

Canadian Blue · November 7, 2006

Is Presstitute even a word?

As I've said I've looked at those video's on the "9/11 conspiracy". But then again I like to think rationally and not be a victim of paranoia.

PolyNewbie · November 7, 2006

Canadian Blue:As I've said I've looked at those video's on the "9/11 conspiracy".

So you group all non corpoarte media as the same because you have seen one or two that you didn't like.

What have you seen and what didn't you like ?

The Loose Change video is old and there were some things in it that later were shown not to be true. The guys that did this movie did the public a great service.

Have you seen anything about the American Union on TV ? The war in Haiti ? Why do you trust TV so much ?

PolyNewbie · November 7, 2006

Canadian Blue:As I've said I've looked at those video's on the "9/11 conspiracy". But then again I like to think rationally and not be a victim of paranoia.

Demonstrate some of your rational thinking so that we can benefit. All I hear is empty statements. Dazzle us with your awesome rationality.

Canadian Blue · November 7, 2006

Lets see, their really wasn't much of an economic benefit to the US attacking itself on 9/11. The FEMA Concentration camp wasn't one since any military facility would be heavily guarded. The New York Times is independant, as are many other publications. If the media is constantly lying we'd all be rallying around only one party and one line of thinking which we clearely aren't. What else makes me skeptical of conspiracy theorists, oh one blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City. Lets see what else, many conspiracy theorists are anti-semitists, pointing to the idea that all of the Jews left the WTC on 9/11 because the Jewish community perpetrated the attacks.

But I can't get into the mind of somebody truly paranoid. So far on most topics you have offered up conspiracy theories with little proof, and when people show you what actaully happened you throw around some nutjobs theories pointing to that as absolute truth. It's as bad as the guy that backs up his arguments with the viewpoints of people who have been in jail.

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

Canadian Blue: Lets see, their really wasn't much of an economic benefit to the US attacking itself on 9/11.

No one has ever suggested that before ! Have you ever heard of Haliburton ? Do you know what a no bid contract is ? How much does a meal cost in Iraq when it is bought from Haliburton ? ans 28 Federal Reserve/Illuminati promisary notes.

Do you remeber how Americans thought Saddam was working with Bin Laden and partly behind 911 ?

Do you recall Sept 10 th - Rumsfeld announced 2.3 trillion dollars had dissapeared and cannot be traced ? 911 made you forget but thats is 8000 Federal Reserve / Illuminati promisary notes for every man woman & child in America.

War is about money (Plato)

The FEMA Concentration camp wasn't one since any military facility would be heavily guarded.

FEMA camps are guarded and now people get arrested for taking pics. But you can see videos on YouTube.

The New York Times is independant, as are many other publications.

Thats even funnier than your first statement. Did you read my quotes in the Federal Reserve thread ? Ever heard the phrase "we bring good things to life" ?

If the media is constantly lying we'd all be rallying around only one party and one line of thinking which we clearely aren't.

Rockefeller Democrats vs Rockefeller Republicans - Red Pill or Blue Pill ?

What else makes me skeptical of conspiracy theorists, oh one blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City.

No, two did - The mainstream media will not show you the tapes of the truck comming up to the building because two guys were in it -according to many FBI/CIA officials that have squealed- again, see 911:Road To Tyranny - lots of TV news clips in there.

Lets see what else, many conspiracy theorists are anti-semitists, pointing to the idea that all of the Jews left the WTC on 9/11 because the Jewish community perpetrated the attacks.

So what ? They are theories until proven. People can be wrong. I know some people that think Osama Bin Laden did 911 yet they have absolutely no proof.

But I can't get into the mind of somebody truly paranoid.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you.

So far on most topics you have offered up conspiracy theories with little proof, and when people show you what actaully happened you throw around some nutjobs theories pointing to that as absolute truth

Nope. I have used a set of undisputable facts in my 911 arguements + shown endless coverups on behalf of governement and used direct quotes from bankers and government officials throughout history in my Calling The Federal Reserve thread. If you still think Bin Laden did 911, you are in a minority.

So if you are such a big fan of evidence, show me one piece of evidence that connects Muslim terrorists to 911. Show me one reference that explains that banking works how you say it does.

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

All I want is one piece of evidence linking Osama Bin Laden OR Muslim terrorists to 911. Just one, c'mon guys !

Figleaf · November 8, 2006

Y'know what I'm noticing... there's a lot of "Pshaw! Tinfoil Hat! Conspiracy theory!" barking going on, but precious little actual analysis or rebuttal of Poly's comments.

Wrong.

We've debated him in 9/11 threads before, and every time a point is countered he comes up with another one. ...

Well, I'm certainly not seeing any kind of reasoned refutations on THIS thread.

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

...nor any other despite the comment to suggest otherwise.

Canadian Blue · November 8, 2006

Nope. I have used a set of undisputable facts in my 911 arguements + shown endless coverups on behalf of governement and used direct quotes from bankers and government officials throughout history in my Calling The Federal Reserve thread. If you still think Bin Laden did 911, you are in a minority.

Critics of these alternative theories say they are a form of conspiracism common throughout history after a traumatic event in which conspiracy theories emerge as a mythic form of explanation (Barkun, 2003). A related criticism addresses the form of research on which the theories are based. Thomas W. Eagar, an engineering professor at MIT, suggested they "use the 'reverse scientific method'. They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[169] Eagar's criticisms also exemplify a common stance that the theories are best ignored. "I've told people that if (the argument) gets too mainstream, I'll engage in the debate." This, he continues, happened when Steve Jones took up the issue. The basic assumption is that conspiracy theories emerge a set of previously held or quickly assembled beliefs about how society works, which are then legitimized by further "research". Taking such beliefs seriously, even if only to criticize them, it is argued, merely grants them further legitimacy.

I've heard many of these conspiracy theories before. Many of them are based on ignorance, and they all have a common root which is ignorance. It's much akin to the holocaust deniers belief of what happened in Nazi Germany.

Rockefeller Democrats vs Rockefeller Republicans - Red Pill or Blue Pill ?

Lets see, the Green Party, Libertarian Party, Taxpayers Party, Reform Party, Republican Party and Democratic party. All of which have many different factions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11%2C_2001_attacks

http://wtc.nist.gov/

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

Canadian Blue: The NIST report was headed by Philip Zelikow, he is not an engineer, not a lawyer but what he is by his own admission is a master of deception and that is in wikipedia, He specializes in maintaining public myths.

I've read what I could stand of the NIST report. It lacks evidence and is full of suggestions and innuendos, much like your posts.

For all of your put downs and insults I have not seen a single arguement to the contary of what I am saying. You just keep repeating "conspiracy theorist", "tin foil hat", etc.

That is not intelligent arguement. Lets get a pinnacle of wisdom from you instead of BS and nonsense.

Show me ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that links Bin Laden to 911. I keep asking this but you cannot do it.

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

I'm not a holocaust denier but since you brought that up, show me one piece of evidence that they submit that you do not agree with. You have to put some meat into your posts to make good arguement.

Michael Hardner · November 8, 2006

And Bin Laden's confession doesn't implicate him because it was a double, right ?

Can you see why we say these things about you, Poly ?

Every time we come up with something that we regard as a fact, you have a reason why it's been faked out. We're at a standstill because you want to include facts in your argument that we can't debate.

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

see http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

This shows the real BinLaden beside the fake one. If you want to insist that they are both the same person thats fine with me. It just suggests that you are an idiot - anyone can see that the two people are actually different people. Ignore that if you want. 2+2=5 if you want.

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

If that confession tape was Bin Laden then here is a picture of George Bush confessing.http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/people/girl-door-98f.jpg

Debate over. I win.

Canadian Blue · November 8, 2006

Allright since you've won the debate you now have to run for elected office and tell everybody about these conspiracy theories. Since any idiot can see what you have pointed out your for sure going to get a majority. :rolleyes:

Or you run for office with all your conspiracy theories and are laughable candidate who would be lucky to get 0.5% of the vote.

Listen bud, the vast majority of people believe Bin Laden was involved with the 9/11 attacks. Obviously people aren't as smart as you, especially the ones that don't get all their info from conspiracy theories on youtube. But thats life, get over it.

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

I cannot make this any clearer than showing you the quotes below. All I can ask is that you get your head out of your a$$ and wake up instead of posting nonsense. Its not funny and you do not sound intelligent or interesting. Just because it isn't on TV doesn't mean it isn't real.

Ron Paul repeatedly gets elected as a Republican congressman in Texas. listen to what he has to say about this - see on mainstream what others say - about forth down on right - easy to find.

http://www.whatsmells.com/video.html

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private power." President F.D Roosevelt

JF Kennedy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEqtaWpKEU (on secret societies) "...monolithic and secret conspiracy..."

Theodore Rosevelt:

""These International Bankers and Rockefeller Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government." - Theodore Rosevelt

David Rockefeller:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose members have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion over forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop a plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the work now is much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practised in past centuries"- David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, at the Trilteral commission in June 1991.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." David Rockefeller

Robert Bowman:

"A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. … Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder."

-Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development "Star Wars Program" under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).

James Paul Warburg:

'We shall have a World government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World government will be achieved by conquest or consent.'

G H W Bush:

""if the American People had ever known the truth of what we Bush's have done to this nation, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."

~George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with Sarah McClendon in December 1992

Larry MacDonald:

""The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

" Larry MacDonald

J. Edgar Hoover:

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." Quote by General Douglas MacArthur

So why is this happening ?

"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule'

Friedrich Nietzsche

PolyNewbie · November 8, 2006

Canadian Blue, can you add any content to this thread or are you just going to keep using empty BS ?

jdobbin · November 9, 2006

I heard the audiotape and although I don't know Osama bin Laden's voice, the person talking did take responsibility for September 11.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1550477.cms

PolyNewbie · November 9, 2006

If you see the tape you can see quite plainly that it isn't Osama. When I saw that on CNN I cracked up laughing thinking "do they really expect people to believe that ? " It doesn't even look like Osama. Osama is of middle Eastern decent - this guy is black !!! The next Osama will be chinese :lol:

They only need to fool around 30 % of the people.

jdobbin · November 9, 2006

If you see the tape you can see quite plainly that it isn't Osama. When I saw that on CNN I cracked up laughing thinking "do they really expect people to believe that ? " It doesn't even look like Osama. Osama is of middle Eastern decent - this guy is black !!! The next Osama will be chinese
They only need to fool around 30 % of the people.

I don't know. The video from 2004 seems to look like Osama bin Laden although I've never met him personally.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/b...sage041029.html

Canadian Blue · November 9, 2006

If you see the tape you can see quite plainly that it isn't Osama. When I saw that on CNN I cracked up laughing thinking "do they really expect people to believe that ? " It doesn't even look like Osama. Osama is of middle Eastern decent - this guy is black !!! The next Osama will be chinese

Well apparently a large portion of people all around the world were fooled into believing it was Osama. Listen PN your in the small minority, and you and your kin are with the anti-semite conspiracy theorists, the Elvis is still alive conspiracy theorists, the Roswell and UFO people, Bigfoot, whatever. It's all laughable, and despite your facts a large portion of the scientific community disagrees with you, including the majority of the population.

PolyNewbie · November 9, 2006

Canadian Blue,

Still no arguement from you. Just BS. Still nothing but false statements.

Name some members of the scientific community that think Osama did it and for each one you name I'll name two that think it was an inside job, how about that ?

Listen PN your in the small minority

No. Actually you are by mainstream polls. Only 14% of people believe what you believe and that there was no coverup. (Zogby)

Canadian Blue: the Elvis is still alive conspiracy theorists, the Roswell and UFO people, Bigfoot, whatever. It's all laughable

So you think conspiracies are fake ? Are you saying that you know of someone that thinks Elvis is still alive ? - or is this just more typical BS ? What does Elvis have to do with this ?

jdobbin:I don't know. The video from 2004 seems to look like Osama bin Laden although I've never met him personally.

That does look like Osama - problem - that is not the confession tape. See what I mean ? Smoke & Mirrors. See WhatReallyHappened.com to see the fake Osama and the real one. They don't look alike.

Osama was on tape after 911 stating he didn't do it and the reasons why. Also Taliban said they would hand him over to USA - just like the Japs surrendered, but USA always wants war.

jdobbin · November 9, 2006

That does look like Osama - problem - that is not the confession tape. See what I mean ? Smoke & Mirrors. See WhatReallyHappened.com to see the fake Osama and the real one. They don't look alike.
Osama was on tape after 911 stating he didn't do it and the reasons why. Also Taliban said they would hand him over to USA - just like the Japs surrendered, but USA always wants war.

Is there a particular link where they compare the two?

Also, I don't recall the Taliban about to turn over Osama bin Laden. I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to invade Afghanistan.

PolyNewbie · November 9, 2006

Is there a particular link where they compare the two?

www.whatreallyhappened.com you will see a link for Osama tapes on the left.

Also, I don't recall the Taliban about to turn over Osama bin Laden. I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to invade Afghanistan.

They did - its true - I can't recall the link. Type in Afganistan turn over Bin Laden in Google - you will probably find it well backed up as "conspiracy" sites usually do - at least much better than mainstream who only offers opinion. Gloabl Research probably has it.

jdobbin · November 9, 2006

www.whatreallyhappened.com you will see a link for Osama tapes on the left.
They did - its true - I can't recall the link. Type in Afganistan turn over Bin Laden in Google - you will probably find it well backed up as "conspiracy" sites usually do - at least much better than mainstream who only offers opinion. Gloabl Research probably has it.

I see the pictures but I'm no expert in analyzing these things.

For what reason did they invade then? It certainly can't be a pipeline of oil.