Iraq Is On Track

[Craig Read]

Amen brother. It is a WAR. Liberals have a hard time with this. After all they defended Communism, wanted unilteral disarmament and I don't remember seeing the Liberals, and 20 something brainless warriors parading in the streets against Hussein, Castro, Mugabe and Iranian oppression. These regimes are after all the heroic 'reformers' for the Liberals.

Bush said it best - this is a war to determine if the Middle East wants to join the real world. Remember that other Rep. idiot Reagan ? Said the same thing about Soviet Communism 9 years before it collapsed.

Stupid Americans. They should be more like Canadians - appeasing, snide, spineless.

In its timing and character, Mr. Bush's speech at Whitehall echoed Ronald Reagan's exposition of America's Cold War principles during his famous speech to Parliament in 1982. That speech too was delivered at a moment of enormous Western debate and protest. Soviet Communism, Mr. Reagan nonetheless correctly foretold at Westminster, will be consigned to "the ash heap of history." Middle East dictatorships, Mr. Bush said this week, have the opportunity to join the "democratic revolution that has reached much of the world."

To be sure, the protesters were out as the President spoke, though not as many as predicted -- only 70,000 by London bobbies' count. Mr. Bush was also greeted with some vicious press commentary, though again hardly universal. It must have galled the editors of the left-wing Guardian, for example, to report the results of its poll that "public opinion in Britain is overwhelmingly pro-American with 62% of voters believing that the U.S. is generally speaking a force for good, not evil, in the world."

[Mr Farrius]

Huge stockpiles of weapons and ammunition are being uncovered weekly.

We're looking for evidence of WMD's here, not the basic elements of warfare like guns...

Iraq will be secured and WMD will be found.

We shall see.

[Black Dog]

After all they defended Communism, wanted unilteral disarmament and I don't remember seeing the Liberals, and 20 something brainless warriors parading in the streets against Hussein, Castro, Mugabe and Iranian oppression. These regimes are after all the heroic 'reformers' for the Liberals.

Whatever. Where were you? Justifying the West's support for some of these bastards by using the fallacious logic that horrible crimes against humanity were necessary to prevent theoretical crimes against humanity. So you and all like you who harp on the "left" for not standing up to tyrants in the past (a bullshit argument anyway given the tireless work of groups like Amnesty International, human Rights watch et al) should pull your heads out of your asses and take a long hard look at your own blatant hypocricy and that of the states you defend.

[KrustyKidd]

We're looking for evidence of WMD's here, not the basic elements of warfare like guns...

And Kay is securing a country so the US can oull out in a year's time. If he finds what you are looking for he'll send you a fax, in the meantime if you are so interested in finding the stuff yourself, give him a hand.

[Hugo]

After all, Hitler never attacked the US. Our war against him was pre-emptive.

Not to split hairs, but Hitler declared war upon the USA in a Reichstag session on December 11th, 1941. He and his advisors were quite anxious to get their declaration in before the USA declared war upon Germany, but they need not have worried. Although Congress briefly considered declaring war on Germany and Italy first, they decided to wait as they knew from radio intercepts that Hitler had a deal to declare war with the USA after the Japanese attack, and they knew that the Axis would save them the trouble of being the "aggressor".

[Mr Farrius]

We're looking for evidence of WMD's here, not the basic elements of warfare like guns...

And Kay is securing a country so the US can oull out in a year's time. If he finds what you are looking for he'll send you a fax, in the meantime if you are so interested in finding the stuff yourself, give him a hand.

Well my friend, if you had read all of my post, you would see that I wasn't the one preaching that WMD's would be found. I am merely wondering where they are, since you right-wingers proclaimed so loudly that Saddam was a threat. If there are no WMD's, then that claim was a total lie.

[KrustyKidd]

Sorry Farris, you are right and I posted maliciously and appoligise, glad we settled it before too much time elapsed.

I'm not a hard core right winger. I don't (at this time) think that Saddam was a real threat in the conventional sense of the word. Rather he is kind of like the wrapping on the jigsaw puzzle, just one of the things you have to deal with to start putting it all together. Like the wrapper, it's in the way of solving the problem and is garbage to be thrown away.

[Craig Read]

There are WMDs as i posted AQ has them. Where did they get them ? Walmart ? WMD was either destroyed, hidden or sold or all three. They will be found but only after the country is secured.

Read my posts i have posted reasons on why Iraq is a priority. Stop repeating yourself endlessly.

[Mr Farrius]

There are WMDs as i posted AQ has them. Where did they get them ? Walmart ? WMD was either destroyed, hidden or sold or all three.

Why does nobody understand my point? :angry: We are not talking about AQ. We are talking about Iraq. Of course AQ might have WMDs... that's to be expected of a terrorist network that nobody (not even the U.S.) is able to track down and find. After all, who knows what such an organization has?

I don't believe I have ever come out and bluntly said there are none in Iraq. At least not in this thread anyway. I merely question... the existence of what appears to be non-existent, with humility of course.

[righturnonred]

a terrorist network that nobody (not even the U.S.) is able to track down and find.

Two thirds of Al Qaeda's leadership has been killed or captured, including some of the big wigs like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, bin Laden's COO and 9-11 mastermind, and Abu Zubaydah, the organization's communications director. Ramzi Binalshibh, bin Laden's CFO is another. This is in addition to countless lower level lieutenants in charge of regional operations. I'd say that's not too bad at this point two years out from Sept. 11.

bin Laden is an important symbolic figure, but his capture alone does not mean we will have won the war on terror nor even simply defeated Al Qaeda.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear rightturnonred,

The US has scored 'large victories' gainst Al-Qaueda, as your post points out. However, Mr. Read's claim

They will be found but only after the country is secured.

is shaky at best, for Iraq will never 'be secured' in any Hollywood sense.

The problem is that the 'enemy' of the US is not a country, like 'Nazi' Germany, or 'Imerialist' Japan, or Iraq, but thought. Terrorism is a 'thought' too, (albeit an evil one) and manifests itself as a method, therefore declaring war on 'Terror' is even less sane than declaring war on winter.

[KrustyKidd]

Yhat's why they also declared war on all those who would aid and abett terrorists. Duh. Not governments that have insurgent groups among them but governments that have insurgent groups among them that do not act to stop them.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear KK,

Not governments that have insurgent groups among them but governments that have insurgent groups among them that do not act to stop them.

Not actually 'insurgent' but 'Anti-US insurgent groups'. Even so, the US will still support 'anti US insurgent groups' (such as Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Osama) if they think the profit outweighs the risk. And if one can afford or absorb the loss. Basic investing.

[Craig Read]

The enemy - insurgents, terrorists, homicide bombers - are abetted and aided by nation states. Each nation state that harbors terrorism will have to eventually be invaded and the existing regime eradicated, if and when, it is decided that they will not reform themselves or like Iraq, pose a sizeable threat to our geopolitical interests.

In any event, Iran, Syria, Egypt, SA and Yemen are high on the hit list. Muslim extremism is the main enemy, not the tinpot lunatics in North Korea, where China, Japan and Russia all have vested interests.

Just watch the US do a U Turn on Taiwan - all to get China to help them contain and then dismantle NK.

Focus focus focus. The Middle East is where the battle is won or lost.