capricorn Posted December 25, 2007 Report Posted December 25, 2007 Sadly as more and more of us learn the lessons he spreads his net wider and wider to find a sparring partner. I think the quest is not so much for a partner but for a convenient conduit to post anti-Conservative rhetoric and hogwash. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted December 25, 2007 Report Posted December 25, 2007 I think the quest is not so much for a partner but for a convenient conduit to post anti-Conservative rhetoric and hogwash. I know many Tories feel that this only Mulroney incident has just been a witchhunt but Mulroney really only has himself to blame for being involved with Shreiber. As far as Harper goes, he probably realizes that his first instinct years ago to leave Mulroney was the right one and that he should not have been embracing him the way he has over the last two or so years. Quote
capricorn Posted December 25, 2007 Report Posted December 25, 2007 I know many Tories feel that .... I am not a conduit for Harper bashing. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted December 25, 2007 Report Posted December 25, 2007 (edited) I am not a conduit for Harper bashing. What are you a conduit of? Don't think I accused of anything but I see you have decided to go the personal insult route. Edited December 25, 2007 by jdobbin Quote
Michael Bluth Posted December 25, 2007 Report Posted December 25, 2007 I think the quest is not so much for a partner but for a convenient conduit to post anti-Conservative rhetoric and hogwash. There is clearly a level of impotence and anger at play. The incessant attacks and passive-aggressive 'cutting other posters off' is symptomatic of far bigger issues than just frustration at the weak, inept and impotent leadership of Steph Dion and the gang that can't shoot straight. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
capricorn Posted December 25, 2007 Report Posted December 25, 2007 Don't think I accused of anything but I see you have decided to go the personal insult route. If you view my post as a personal insult you are way too tender and sensitive. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Michael Bluth Posted December 25, 2007 Report Posted December 25, 2007 If you view my post as a personal insult you are way too tender and sensitive. I don't think it is tenderness and sensitivity. It can't be. Just a diversionary tactic aimed at diverting from his own questionable behaviour. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
capricorn Posted December 25, 2007 Report Posted December 25, 2007 Just a diversionary tactic aimed at diverting from his own questionable behaviour. I get it now. The old "zig-zag" trick. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Kitchener Posted December 27, 2007 Report Posted December 27, 2007 The poll doesn't give enough relevant options, in my view. Whether he should be charged with a crime depends on details we don't have, and on some potentially very finely individuated matters of law. Whether his behaviour was literally criminal can't be known right now; whether his behaviour was sleazy and inappropriate is another matter. Clearly he didn't indignantly deny any dealings with Schreiber because he was proud of his actions; he knew his actions were shameful. I can't say whether he should be charged, but he certainly should be investigated in light of any new evidence -- and the circumstances of his denial under oath of any dealings with Schreiber should be given a very careful look indeed. Quote
jdobbin Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 Guess we hear from Johnston in the next few days. There is a growing demand to see Mulroney's tax filings. I think that given the testimony, that those filings should be summoned for a forensic accounting. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...0108?hub=Canada Former prime minister Brian Mulroney's personal tax records must be examined by forensic accountants as part of any public inquiry into the Mulroney-Schreiber affair, says the NDP.And there's nothing precedent-setting about the demand, New Democrat MP Joe Comartin said Tuesday. "It is quite normal in all sorts of situations where income tax returns are summoned into court,'' said the former criminal and family lawyer from Windsor, Ont. Other lawyers have echoed that observation. Mulroney rebuffed a request for his tax records when he appeared last month at the Commons ethics committee, which is examining his controversial business relationship with German-Canadian arms broker Karlheinz Schreiber. "I would just remind you that the only thing left that's sacred in Canada is the secrecy of our tax returns,'' the former two-term Conservative prime minister said at the time. But calls for a look at Mulroney's tax filings are growing. Schreiber's lawyer has written to Commons ethics committee chair Paul Szabo urging him to seek Mulroney's 1999 tax disclosure, bank records and documents related to Mulroney's use of safety deposit boxes. Quote
capricorn Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 There is a growing demand to see Mulroney's tax filings. The NDP calling for Mulroney to produce his income tax documents is growing demand? That's what I got when I read your link. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 The NDP calling for Mulroney to produce his income tax documents is growing demand? That's what I got when I read your link. It is what was in the link. Other lawyers have echoed that observation.Mulroney rebuffed a request for his tax records when he appeared last month at the Commons ethics committee, which is examining his controversial business relationship with German-Canadian arms broker Karlheinz Schreiber. "I would just remind you that the only thing left that's sacred in Canada is the secrecy of our tax returns,'' the former two-term Conservative prime minister said at the time. But calls for a look at Mulroney's tax filings are growing. Quote
capricorn Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 It is what was in the link. You took that comment by other lawyers and observers out of context. From your artcle. Former prime minister Brian Mulroney's personal tax records must be examined by forensic accountants as part of any public inquiry into the Mulroney-Schreiber affair, says the NDP. And there's nothing precedent-setting about the demand, New Democrat MP Joe Comartin said Tuesday. "It is quite normal in all sorts of situations where income tax returns are summoned into court,'' said the former criminal and family lawyer from Windsor, Ont. Other lawyers have echoed that observation. So read it again. Other lawyers have echoed the observation that it is not precedent setting to ask for tax records, nothing more. They did not call for Mulroney to divulge his tax records as the NDP did and as you want readers here to believe. Nice try though. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) You took that comment by other lawyers and observers out of context. From your artcle. I don't know what context you mean. I have shown you twice that the article said there was growing demands for the tax files. If you have an issue with it, speak to CTV. So what context is this sentence from CTV supposed to mean: But calls for a look at Mulroney's tax filings are growing. Edited January 9, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
capricorn Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 I don't know what context you mean. I have shown you twice that the article said there was growing demands for the tax files. If you have an issue with it, speak to CTV.So what context is this sentence from CTV supposed to mean: Yeah, calls for Mulroney's tax records grew by one...Schreiber's lawyer. But calls for a look at Mulroney's tax filings are growing. Schreiber's lawyer has written to Commons ethics committee chair Paul Szabo urging him to seek Mulroney's 1999 tax disclosure, bank records and documents related to Mulroney's use of safety deposit boxes. You're the one should take it up with CTV as they obviously pulled one over on you. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Shakeyhands Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 Yeah, calls for Mulroney's tax records grew by one...Schreiber's lawyer. But calls for a look at Mulroney's tax filings are growing. Schreiber's lawyer has written to Commons ethics committee chair Paul Szabo urging him to seek Mulroney's 1999 tax disclosure, bank records and documents related to Mulroney's use of safety deposit boxes. You're the one should take it up with CTV as they obviously pulled one over on you. The NDP is calling for their disclosure also. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/292114 Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Michael Bluth Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 The NDP is calling for their disclosure also. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/292114 Hmm, the NDP and a Liberal MP are calling to open up Brian Mulroney's tax records. Talk about a groundswell of support! Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) You're the one should take it up with CTV as they obviously pulled one over on you. C'mon board! Mulroney said he would be there with bells on. Why is he so shy now? Andrew Cohen, Jeffrey Simpson and others are saying the the taxes should be summoned. Let's clear the air so that this can be put behind us. Edited January 9, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
Michael Bluth Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) In the sake of honesty... Let's clear the air so that this can be put behind us. Let's drag this out in the increasingly desperate hope that something, anything will stick to the current Government. Edited January 9, 2008 by Michael Bluth Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 The NDP is calling for their disclosure also. Guess we'll find out in a few days what Johnston has to say. I wonder if Harper will ignore him if he suggests an inquiry. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 Four whole minutes before a response? Very interesting behaviour by someone with a history of being rapped on the knuckles by the mods for libelous claims of stalking. Very interesting indeed. From the Star article... And the NDP sent a four-page letter this week to David Johnston, the man appointed by Prime Minister Stephen Harper to set the terms of reference for a public inquiry into the decade-old Mulroney affair. The letter lays out an exhaustive list of areas that the party says should be examined. The Canadian people don't want time and money wasted on this issue. They have stated that clearly. Why won't the NDP listen to them? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Kitchener Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 The Canadian people don't want time and money wasted on this issue. They have stated that clearly. Why won't the NDP listen to them? Did I miss the referendum? Or was it a jointly authored letter to the editor? (Of, let me guess, The Western Standard...) Quote
jbg Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 Did I miss the referendum? Or was it a jointly authored letter to the editor? (Of, let me guess, The Western Standard...)It seems to me to be as worthwhile as trying to figure out whether Louis Riel was insane, a traitor or both. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
capricorn Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 Did I miss the referendum? Or was it a jointly authored letter to the editor? (Of, let me guess, The Western Standard...) This might help. A new poll suggests most Canadians don't want a public inquiry into Brian Mulroney's business dealings with Karlheinz Schreiber, despite their deep misgivings about the former prime minister's truthfulness and the propriety of his actions. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/12...4711362-cp.html Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
BubberMiley Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 They have stated that clearly. Can you provide a source please? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
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