SamStranger Posted September 19, 2006 Report Posted September 19, 2006 It would take all day to name all the "flip flops" the Liberals are going through now that their in opposition, but the one that really pisses me off is Afghanistan. For God's sake, it was the Liberals who sent us their! And they have the nerve to act like their all "anti-war". It makes me sick. The Liberal party is supposed to represent unity and togetherness (So ive heard ) but they can't even make up their minds as a party when it came to voting. And what the hell is Micheal Ignattief doing going for Liberal leadership!?? He's more Tory then most of the Conservatives! Ever read his collums he wrote for the NewYork Times after Septmber 11th and the iraq invasion? He was praising george Bush to death. I don't get it. Are Liberals Arrogant or just Stupid? Quote "They say that lifes a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well. The world is full of Kings and Queens who blind your eyes then steal your dreams- it's heaven and hell. And they will tell you black is really white, the moon is just the sun at night, and when you walk in golden halls you get to keep the gold that falls- its heaven and hell" -Ronnie James Dio
Remiel Posted September 19, 2006 Report Posted September 19, 2006 There were actually two questions here, with two answers. 1. Was it the right decision to send Canadian troops to Afghanistan? 2. Is it the right decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan? So, there are in effect four different positions that a person could take. Yes, No. Yes, Yes. No, Yes. No, No. Sending troops there in the first place may have been the right decision, but that does not mean that withdrawing them now could also be the right decision. I think I originally opposed sending troops to Afghanistan, but now I am sort of in the re-assess and re-commit camp. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 23, 2006 Report Posted September 23, 2006 The fight against global terrorism needs to be fought. Were we not affected by the events of 9/11 even though no attacks took place on Canadian soil? Sure Afghanistan isn't an *easy* war. Most wars aren't. Canada should keep it's word. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Hicksey Posted September 23, 2006 Report Posted September 23, 2006 The fight against global terrorism needs to be fought.Were we not affected by the events of 9/11 even though no attacks took place on Canadian soil? Sure Afghanistan isn't an *easy* war. Most wars aren't. Canada should keep it's word. Apparently that's not the case. You can read Riverwind explain HERE that we would be farther off to pull out and let law enforcement deal with it. The think that we should essentially ignore terrorism upon our militias/citizens outside our own border and equate terrorists with schoolyard bullies. He'll even explain for that if we just ignore them they will go away. Of course, I agree with you. But if you want some interesting reading I recommend it. Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
Argus Posted September 23, 2006 Report Posted September 23, 2006 It would take all day to name all the "flip flops" the Liberals are going through now that their in opposition, but the one that really pisses me off is Afghanistan. For God's sake, it was the Liberals who sent us their! And they have the nerve to act like their all "anti-war". It makes me sick. The Liberal party is supposed to represent unity and togetherness (So ive heard ) but they can't even make up their minds as a party when it came to voting. And what the hell is Micheal Ignattief doing going for Liberal leadership!?? He's more Tory then most of the Conservatives! Ever read his collums he wrote for the NewYork Times after Septmber 11th and the iraq invasion? He was praising george Bush to death. I don't get it.Are Liberals Arrogant or just Stupid? Liberals have not had much acquaintance with honesty or integrity since Trudeau took the helm. I think guys like Graham and Goodale practice their stern, self-righteousness look and sound in front of mirrors and cameras to get it just right, so it almost sounds like they believe in what they're saying. If we had a real press in Canada, one of those reporters would ask them flat out, to explain how anything in Afghaninstan would be different right now if they had been re-elected. They sent troops there. They negotiated that the mission would be a combat mission in the deep south where the Taliban held sway. They knew there would be deaths. They said so at the time. But they called it our duty, then. Now that they're in opposition they're looking to score cheap political points off the government. But what exactly did the Tories do which has affected the present mission? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 23, 2006 Report Posted September 23, 2006 Liberals have not had much acquaintance with honesty or integrity since Trudeau took the helm.I think guys like Graham and Goodale practice their stern, self-righteousness look and sound in front of mirrors and cameras to get it just right, so it almost sounds like they believe in what they're saying. If we had a real press in Canada, one of those reporters would ask them flat out, to explain how anything in Afghaninstan would be different right now if they had been re-elected. They sent troops there. They negotitated that the mission would be a combat mission in the deep south where the Taliban held sway. They knew there would be deaths. They said so at the time. But they called it our duty, then. Now that they're in opposition they're looking to score cheap political points off the government. But what exactly did the Tories do which has affected the present mission? They committed to a longer term with the support of enough Liberals to pass a vote in the House of Commons and they have better equipped th troops. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Borg Posted September 25, 2006 Report Posted September 25, 2006 Are Liberals Arrogant or just Stupid? Both Borg Quote
bradco Posted September 25, 2006 Report Posted September 25, 2006 It would take all day to name all the "flip flops" the Liberals are going through now that their in opposition, but the one that really pisses me off is Afghanistan. For God's sake, it was the Liberals who sent us their! And they have the nerve to act like their all "anti-war". It makes me sick. The Liberal party is supposed to represent unity and togetherness (So ive heard ) but they can't even make up their minds as a party when it came to voting. And what the hell is Micheal Ignattief doing going for Liberal leadership!?? He's more Tory then most of the Conservatives! Ever read his collums he wrote for the NewYork Times after Septmber 11th and the iraq invasion? He was praising george Bush to death. I don't get it.Are Liberals Arrogant or just Stupid? -every party flip flops on something sooner or later, sometimes for political benefits sometimes because new facts/opinions have come forth -I honestly dont mind a party that isnt completely whipped into all supporting every decision....oh my individual MPs might have their own opinions, how terrible -The Liberals dont have a leader and therefore cant have an elections so could never have voted against the continuation of the mission if they wanted to -"And they have the nerve to act like their all "anti-war"."- by you then arguing that they cant make up their minds as a party when it comes to voting dispute that they are all antiwar? I guess you disputed your own comment enough that I dont need to say much more there -Ignatieff supported the war more for its humanitarian side and anyone who has read anything from him would know he is a bit of an interventionist....now find me something on the domestic side that puts him close to the tories cause the guy is probably more left of centre. I would think Ignatieff is much to into personal freedoms to run for the tories (I would recomend his book The Rights Revolution) Quote
jbg Posted September 29, 2006 Report Posted September 29, 2006 Are Liberals Arrogant or just Stupid? Yes. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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