jdobbin Posted January 19, 2007 Author Report Posted January 19, 2007 Again, as a conservative I give them credit for these sensible conservative initiatives yet it is hypocrisy to suggest this is a party that is communitarian but rather a "flavour of the month" party that will support ANYTHING it thinks will get them elected. It is shocking to me that the Canadian electorate is so brainwashed by the Liberal Party. It probably doesn't help to call the part of the electorate that doesn't vote Conservative stupid. That's the vote that the Tories need to win and to do that, they will actually have to formulate policies that will appeal to them. Quote
tml12 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Posted January 19, 2007 Again, as a conservative I give them credit for these sensible conservative initiatives yet it is hypocrisy to suggest this is a party that is communitarian but rather a "flavour of the month" party that will support ANYTHING it thinks will get them elected. It is shocking to me that the Canadian electorate is so brainwashed by the Liberal Party. It probably doesn't help to call the part of the electorate that doesn't vote Conservative stupid. That's the vote that the Tories need to win and to do that, they will actually have to formulate policies that will appeal to them. I do not believe I called non-Conservative voters stupid. Frankly, I respect all people who take the time to vote for ANY party but I do not psychologically understand how anyone can vote for a party that has broken so many promises and basically runs a country-club backroom government. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
mikedavid00 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Posted January 19, 2007 The Conservatives are at 63% in Alberta.So much for certain people believing Albertans are going to turn on the Party. Albertans are too 'smart' to make those kinds of foolish moves. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 19, 2007 Report Posted January 19, 2007 I do not believe I called non-Conservative voters stupid. Frankly, I respect all people who take the time to vote for ANY party but I do not psychologically understand how anyone can vote for a party that has broken so many promises and basically runs a country-club backroom government. I'm guessing this is what jdobbin took issue with. In terms of people in Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal, they all brainlessly vote Liberal and I do not know why. You could have put it with more tact but I see your point. I really feel that the next election will be more of the same. Dion will start the campaign trying to run on issues. When that doesn't work he'll turn back to *scary* *scary* *scary*. The combination of the CBC, the Toronto Star and Liberal TV ads swing a lot of votes to the Liberals. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
mikedavid00 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Posted January 19, 2007 I do not believe I called non-Conservative voters stupid. Frankly, I respect all people who take the time to vote for ANY party but I do not psychologically understand how anyone can vote for a party that has broken so many promises and basically runs a country-club backroom government. You know that's an excellent comment fit for a signature. Getting inside the voters mindset isn't very difficult. This is where we are different than Americans. American's usually make the 'right' choices which fall down to fairly close elections. Either way, the outcome is the right choice. For instance, most people are not satisfied with how Iraq was handled, thus the voters gave that message and the will of the people is clear. In CANADA though, it's a much, much different story. Canadians basically get their news spilled down from a publically funded media organization called the CBC. If the CBC makes something into an issue, all smaller media will make it into an issue also. ie: Lebanese crying that they didn't like their boat ride home. That was a CBC created story that did not represent everyone on the boat. But it became a national story non the less because the CBC put such a heavy spin on it and showcased 'Canadians' saying negative things about Harper and Canada. Thus opinions dropped with Harper. When Dion said the environment was a top priority, the local and small media just 'mentioned it'. Polls presoiusly demonstrated that the envionment was the second last issue's on peoples mind when voting. The CBC however, put such a massive spin on the issue that the litterally 'told' people was important. The small media beginning to report it because *they* figured it alsmo *must* have been important. Then all of a sudden a poll comes out, and it's now the #1 issues for Canadians - DESPITE the fact that when you ask the common person on the street here in Lib toronto they say that services and the economy are their #1 issues and the enironment just isn't that important to them. They even tried to do call ins and no one on the small media wanted to discuss it. But the CBC is the ratings leader, the largest listening and viewing group for all of Canada. They hold this sole power to put a spin on whatever they think is important. Just like the Liberals, the CBC also dictates what should be news and what shouldn't. They dictate this to the smaller media outlets, and eventually to all the people. Since the CPC's victory, the CBC has been on a smear campaign using the Lebanon, Bush, and Afganistan issues as ummunition. The CBC shows and reports on Dion more than our own gov't in power. The CBC is running a political agenda that is killing our country, brainwashing our citizens, and the CBC should be shut down or receive no funding at all. They can sell advertising and compete with other media. When looking at how Harper could be dropping in polls, the answer is clear: the CBC. Not the environment, not Lebanon, not Afganistan, but rather a relentless, negative, 1 year long smear campaign from the CBC. The Liberal party looted tax dollars and even then they were still ahead in the polls. Harper essentially did nothing *legitimatly* wrong except for the income trusts, and he's continued to decline in the polls. It's very troubling that our tax dollars are funding a never ending smear campaign on our gov't. 'Embattled Embrose' for instance is the sort of brainwashing that the CBC carries out on a daily basis. Just even watch Rick Mercer and it's sickening how we can fund an ad campaign for the Libearls. This over the long term will effect public opinion and it has. Canada's dictator, communist style state has got to stop. We have to give the gov't back to the people/provinces and let us decide what is good for us and tell government that they are there to govern for the people. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
Catchme Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Ipso Reid Libs 37% Cons 33% NDP 13% In Ontario Libs 46% Cons 32% NDP 15% BC Libs 37% Cons 32% NDP 18% Quebec Bloc 38% Libs 28% Cons 18% And they keep right on dropping each and every week. Good news ..... Next week's polls after O'Connors, reprehensible words, the x 5 secret oil expansion, and MacKay's words in Israel will drop em down even more. At this rate the Liberals will have a majority status soon. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Fortunata Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 At this rate the Liberals will have a majority status soon. That's good news? Quote
Catchme Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 At this rate the Liberals will have a majority status soon. That's good news? NO, I would prefer an minority Liberal government over a CPC one. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
diablo Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Strange,I told folks during the last election that there have been 4 elected conservative goverments since 1957 and there was a reason for that. The conservative party policies are and always have been geared to the top income brackets.The low and middle income brackets rely on Liberal policy. Stephen Harper is trying hard to be a Conservative but he and his Caucas are ,what they are the Reform Party with reform ideals. All of the major polling companys now concede Alberta to overwhelming support of Harper but across the rest of Canada an election would result in a Liberal majority. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Stephen Harper is trying hard to be a Cconservative but he and his Caucas are ,what they are the [,] Reform Party with reform ideal Learn to spell, capitalize words properly, and use correct grammar. All of the major polling companyies now concede Alberta to overwhelming support of Harper but across the rest of Canada an election would result in a Liberal majority. The Liberals still need 40% of the vote intention to be positioned for a majority. I haven't seen one poll in the last year that puts their support at such a high level. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
tml12 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Ipso Reid Libs 37% Cons 33% NDP 13% In Ontario Libs 46% Cons 32% NDP 15% BC Libs 37% Cons 32% NDP 18% Quebec Bloc 38% Libs 28% Cons 18% And they keep right on dropping each and every week. Good news ..... Next week's polls after O'Connors, reprehensible words, the x 5 secret oil expansion, and MacKay's words in Israel will drop em down even more. At this rate the Liberals will have a majority status soon. Not unsurprising the Libs are so high in Ontario, Ontario believes in the Liberal myths of Canada. BC results do not look good at all. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jdobbin Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 Back and forth and back and forth it goes. No changes really and no one breaking from the pack towards majority. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070124/national/poll_feds Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Back and forth and back and forth it goes. No changes really and no one breaking from the pack towards majority.http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070124/national/poll_feds With a 3% margin of error it is really a statistical dead heat. Looks like a minority govt for a while longer. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
jdobbin Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Posted January 26, 2007 The latest poll on the environment from CTV. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories The survey also questioned Canadians on which political party they feel has the best plan for the environment.The Greens got 27 per cent support, while the Liberals came second with 16; the Conservatives followed with 12; the NDP came fourth with 9; and the Bloc Quebecois had 2 per cent. When asked whether Canadians would vote for their local Green candidate, however, 20 per cent said they were likely to do so while 67 per cent said they were unlikely to cast their ballots for the party. Quote
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Posted January 31, 2007 Latest polls from Quebec have PQ down for first time in two years. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/070130/...uebec_polls_col A CROP poll for Montreal's La Presse newspaper put support for the provincial Liberals at 37 percent, compared with 34 percent for the Parti Quebecois, which wants the mainly French-speaking Canadian province to break away from Canada.A Leger Marketing survey in Le Devoir had the pro-Canada Liberals at 34 percent and the Parti Quebecois at 32 percent. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Latest polls from Quebec have PQ down for first time in two years. Wow, very good news for all Canadians. Could be a Québec provincial election in the spring, maybe a Federal election in the fall. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
tml12 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Latest polls from Quebec have PQ down for first time in two years. Wow, very good news for all Canadians. Could be a Québec provincial election in the spring, maybe a Federal election in the fall. Don't count the PQ out although this is good news. I'd love to see that social fascist party crushed in the next election. I hope the ADQ (right-wing Quebec party) gets more seats than they had before...so far they'll get my support. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Don't count the PQ out although this is good news. I'd love to see that social fascist party crushed in the next election. I hope the ADQ (right-wing Quebec party) gets more seats than they had before...so far they'll get my support. *Right wing* for Quebec. The last Léger poll had them at 24% in the nation within our nation. Considering they only got 18% in the last election that looks like it *should* get them more seats. All depends if the support is concentrated or spread out through the province. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
tml12 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Don't count the PQ out although this is good news. I'd love to see that social fascist party crushed in the next election. I hope the ADQ (right-wing Quebec party) gets more seats than they had before...so far they'll get my support. *Right wing* for Quebec. The last Léger poll had them at 24% in the nation within our nation. Considering they only got 18% in the last election that looks like it *should* get them more seats. All depends if the support is concentrated or spread out through the province. Yeah right-wing for Quebec (dude it's hard being a true blue Tory here)... They run as like the right-wing third party version of the NDP. Hopefully, they'll get more seats this time around. They're not in favour of holding referendums like that so they are less divisive on that issue. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Yeah right-wing for Quebec (dude it's hard being a true blue Tory here)...They run as like the right-wing third party version of the NDP. Hopefully, they'll get more seats this time around. They're not in favour of holding referendums like that so they are less divisive on that issue. Has the growth in their support been concentrated or is it spread throughout the province? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
tml12 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Yeah right-wing for Quebec (dude it's hard being a true blue Tory here)...They run as like the right-wing third party version of the NDP. Hopefully, they'll get more seats this time around. They're not in favour of holding referendums like that so they are less divisive on that issue. Has the growth in their support been concentrated or is it spread throughout the province? One of the things they are trying to do (and I don't necessarily like it as an anglophone who is not French at all) is they are trying to appeal to the more xenophobic francophones in the more rural regions of Quebec on a kind of xenophobic sentiment (Quebec has considerable control over provincial immigration policy...someone who wants to immigrate here must get approval by the Quebec government before Citizenship and Immigration Canada will review their application). He's been pretty successful with that so far as I understand. Economically, he's close to Harper so I'm cool with that even though he might be a bit too xenophobic for me. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 One of the things they are trying to do (and I don't necessarily like it as an anglophone who is not French at all) is they are trying to appeal to the more xenophobic francophones in the more rural regions of Quebec on a kind of xenophobic sentiment (Quebec has considerable control over provincial immigration policy...someone who wants to immigrate here must get approval by the Quebec government before Citizenship and Immigration Canada will review their application). He's been pretty successful with that so far as I understand. Economically, he's close to Harper so I'm cool with that even though he might be a bit too xenophobic for me. Interesting. I spent fall of 2005 in Chicoutimi and heard Dumont speak at UQÀC. He seemed to be appealing to the crowd... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
tml12 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 He's a good public speaker...he's a former Quebec Liberal cabinet minister. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jbg Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Yeah right-wing for Quebec (dude it's hard being a true blue Tory here)... Is that true in the 10-riding area near Quebec City, sort of balloon shaped, that the CPC holds? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
tml12 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Yeah right-wing for Quebec (dude it's hard being a true blue Tory here)... Is that true in the 10-riding area near Quebec City, sort of balloon shaped, that the CPC holds? Yeah that is where most of their seats are. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
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