Why is John Tory such a whiner?

[Higgly]

Man this guy just never stops whining. The McGinty government put through legislation to stop thieves from stealing peoples' homes by title deed fraud. About time! And yet here is John Tory whining about it. I live in Toronto and once saw Tory driving along St Claire Avenue in his Jag with his mother sitting in the back - like chauffeur and mistress. I think that just about says it all. Momma's boy.

[scribblet]

Man this guy just never stops whining. The McGinty government put through legislation to stop thieves from stealing peoples' homes by title deed fraud. About time! And yet here is John Tory whining about it. I live in Toronto and once saw Tory driving along St Claire Avenue in his Jag with his mother sitting in the back - like chauffeur and mistress. I think that just about says it all. Momma's boy.

You have a point ?

[Higgly]

The point is that John Tory is a reactionary who will whine about damn near anything. The point is that John Tory has no point.

[Argus]

Man this guy just never stops whining. The McGinty government put through legislation to stop thieves from stealing peoples' homes by title deed fraud. About time! And yet here is John Tory whining about it.

Gee, you don't think that maybe he, as leader of the opposition, has some criticism of the form of the bill? Maybe of the government ignoring the ludicrously incapable Ontario Land Titles Assurance Fund, and all its myriad problems? Do you believe it should be illegal for the leader of the opposition to do anything but ostentatiously cheer every government bill which is presented to a news conference?

I live in Toronto and once saw Tory driving along St Claire Avenue in his Jag with his mother sitting in the back - like chauffeur and mistress. I think that just about says it all. Momma's boy.

So you either hate rich people, or you hate people that drive their mothers around. Which is it? Maybe both?

[geoffrey]

I'd be a whiner if I lived in a province governed by McGuinty.

[M.Dancer]

I will havea hard time voting for any party that has a Rogers Cable exec as it's leader.

On the otherhand, as far as Ontario's finances are concerned, I think negative billing could really help them....

[Rue]

O.k. so John Tory is a rich Mama's boy. Pt. taken. But the alternative? Mr. McGuinty a pathological and blatant liar who made a mockery of politics and our intelligence by breaking every promise he made or that Howie Hampton dude. What a choice.

Excuse me if I barf.

[geoffrey]

O.k. so John Tory is a rich Mama's boy. Pt. taken. But the alternative? Mr. McGuinty a pathological and blatant liar who made a mockery of politics and our intelligence by breaking every promise he made or that Howie Hampton dude. What a choice.

Excuse me if I barf.

Careful Rue, you might have McGuinty again. With Canada's socialist attitude, you'll get alot of the following opinion:

I will havea hard time voting for any party that has a Rogers Cable exec as it's leader.

Being sucessful in life in punished in politics apparently. Personally, I trust a sound businessman grounded in reality (even Paul Martin) running my country before an Ivory tower academic like Ignatieff or Layton and to some extent Harper. Neither of those 3 really get reality, though being an economist, Harper is closest.

[M.Dancer]

I will havea hard time voting for any party that has a Rogers Cable exec as it's leader.

Being sucessful in life in punished in politics apparently.

No, being the author of one of the sleaziest cash grab campaigns in Canadian history for one of the dirtiest quasi monopolies is to be punished.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_option_billing

[Higgly]

Mr. McGuinty a pathological and blatant liar who made a mockery of politics and our intelligence by breaking every promise he made ...

The right wing media made a big deal out of McGuinty breaking his promise on taxes. His mistake was believing the budget Flaherty prepared in the run-up to the election. Ol' Jimbo knew damned well the Conservatives were not going to get in again so what did he care if the budget wasn't worth the paper it was printed on?. How much bigger a mess can you make than Harris did? The federal Liberals were bad but at least they didn't kill anybody. Balanced budget my ass. McGuinty got into power and found out just how balanced Flaherty's budget really was. And now this liar is Federal Minister of Finance. If you are looking for liars, look no furtehr than Flaherty. If you didn't see that, then your intelligence would not be too hard to mock.

[Argus]

Mr. McGuinty a pathological and blatant liar who made a mockery of politics and our intelligence by breaking every promise he made ...

The right wing media made a big deal out of McGuinty breaking his promise on taxes. His mistake was believing the budget Flaherty prepared in the run-up to the election.

How odd, then, that they repeatedly called it dishonest, before and during the election, and that the Fraiser Institute had done an in-depth study well before the election which also said it was exagerating income and downplaying costs.

They knew very well what the budget was. And yet he not only lied about it during the election, he based his campaign on his lies, and even grandly signed a promise before the cameras to not raise taxes.

Further, the promise was not to raise taxes unless it was absolutely necessary, in which case McGuinty promised to hold a referendum before doing so. So even if one accepts the absurd proposition that they had no clue about there being a deficit, McGuinty still lied.

Further, every credible source since the election has said that McGuinty and his Finance minister were repeatedly lying about the state of the deficit in order to magnify it and make it look much worse than it was.

McGuinty is one of the biggest lying sleazes in Canadian political history. He is an absolute phony, without substance, without depth.

[gerryhatrick]

OMG what a HATEFUL attack on John Tory to call him a "whiner".

That's worse than calling someone a "wimp"!

/sarcasm

[Remiel]

Could be an interesting election next time around in Ontario... Rae's NDP? Despised. Harris' PC? Hated. McGuinty's Liberals? Loathed...

Well... I live in Ontario, and I can't say I really loathe McGuinty... I spend most of my attention on federal politics these days. If your opinions are the measuring point however, we could well be heading back down the road to an NDP government someday, courtest of the PCs and Liberals. I could be completely wrong, but for some reason I think the memory of Harris will be sour much longer for anyone who was in school during his reign than the memory of Rae will be for everyone else.

[MightyAC]

How odd, then, that they repeatedly called it dishonest, before and during the election, and that the Fraiser Institute had done an in-depth study well before the election which also said it was exagerating income and downplaying costs.

They knew very well what the budget was. And yet he not only lied about it during the election, he based his campaign on his lies, and even grandly signed a promise before the cameras to not raise taxes.

Further, the promise was not to raise taxes unless it was absolutely necessary, in which case McGuinty promised to hold a referendum before doing so. So even if one accepts the absurd proposition that they had no clue about there being a deficit, McGuinty still lied.

Further, every credible source since the election has said that McGuinty and his Finance minister were repeatedly lying about the state of the deficit in order to magnify it and make it look much worse than it was.

McGuinty is one of the biggest lying sleazes in Canadian political history. He is an absolute phony, without substance, without depth.

Very well said.

I find it hard to believe that McGuinty has any supporters left. An endless string of lies, raising taxes in the name of healthcare while simultaneously delisiting some services, blaming previous governments 3 years into his reign...c'mon Higgly how can you back this guy?

The only positive I can think of is the fact that he got the ball rolling on electoral reform in Ontario. Provided that he doesn't add some ridiculous threshold to the referendum next October I will at least thank him for that.

[geoffrey]

How much bigger a mess can you make than Harris did? The federal Liberals were bad but at least they didn't kill anybody.

Who'd Harris kill? Your blaming the death of a reckless Indian protestor on the PC's? Please. Harris has been investigated, the OPP has been investigated. Could things have been done different? Absolutely. Doesn't change the fact that Harris had the balls to deal with a problem that McGuinty can't. I wouldn't live in a province where the Premier is too scared of political correctness to uphold the law. Now McGuinty has set a precedent, all the Indian's that want more land are going to follow that path. Quebec failed at Oka. Harris wasn't going to let that happen to him, he made the right choice.

I'd never blame an officer for protecting his safety when a busload of rioting Indians was driving at him anyways. I think the judge made the wrong choice, but that's another matter.

But ya, if that's your biggest Harris attack in comparison to McGuinty, it's weak. McGuinty is one of the weakest leaders we've seen in Canada in a long time. And his annoying chimes about equalisation, then demanding more from Alberta is even worse. The guy is a complete failure, hopefully Ontario will recognize this.

[Remiel]

Time to come full circle and have an NDP government... hehehe...

[geoffrey]

Time to come full circle and have an NDP government... hehehe...

The last thing we need is Ontario as a have not. Alberta can't afford that much.

[Higgly]

They knew very well what the budget was.

Yeah right. That's why the opposition is the one who gets up and presents the budget every year.

Argus you need to spend a few days in Walkerton where they can tell you what being a Tory is really all about.

[geoffrey]

They knew very well what the budget was.

Yeah right. That's why the opposition is the one who gets up and presents the budget every year.

Argus you need to spend a few days in Walkerton where they can tell you what being a Tory is really all about.

What are you talking about? Please, at least have some sort of evidence before you spout your anti-Tory non-sense. The Walkerton Commission found the local utility responsible, and said they contradicted government regulations. It had absolutely nothing to do with Tories.

[Higgly]

OK. Here it is Sunday, October 8 and John Tory has announced that he will be running in Don Valley West against Kathleen Wynne, Liberal Minister of Education. I am watching channel 70 and I am seeing Tory standing up in the House and waxing eloquet about his grade one teacher.

Come on John. Can you even remember what she looked like? Why do we keep getting politicians like this?

[MightyAC]

OK. Here it is Sunday, October 8 and John Tory has announced that he will be running in Don Valley West against Kathleen Wynne, Liberal Minister of Education. I am watching channel 70 and I am seeing Tory standing up in the House and waxing eloquet about his grade one teacher.

Come on John. Can you even remember what she looked like? Why do we keep getting politicians like this?

Is your job some how tied to the Ontario Liberal party? I can see disliking Tory, but how can you back Dalton McGuinty?

[geoffrey]

Is your job some how tied to the Ontario Liberal party? I can see disliking Tory, but how can you back Dalton McGuinty?

Same folks that blame Harris for Walkerton, they are helpless.

[Higgly]

Harris is the guy who cut the Ministry of the Environment budget to the point that it was no longer able to monitor the water supply. The trail of e. coli leads right to his office.

[M.Dancer]

Harris is the guy who cut the Ministry of the Environment budget to the point that it was no longer able to monitor the water supply. The trail of e. coli leads right to his office.

Not to mention creating an educational crisis in order to "fix" it and layoff so many nurses that were in the end, rehired because the didn't have enough.

Harris is a fine example of government by idealogy. And why the conservatives should be forced to sit in opposition for at least another 4 years.

[JAh-man]

I would say he's whiney and anoying because he is/was the leader of the conservative party.. Their pretty good at it so he has to try to impress them..