John Stone Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 (edited) 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: Here is an example of a victory, for Canadian soldiers on Vimy ridge....look at what it cost the Bristish and french, previously on attacks on the same position....100,000 Casualties now that was a disaster.... 13 dead and 415 wounded while tragic, is not a disaster... The Battle of Vimy Ridge (April 9–12, 1917) resulted in over 10,600 total Canadian casualties, with 3,598 killed and approximately 7,000 wounded. The victory was a defining moment for Canada in World War I, though it came at a high cost, with nearly 75% of casualties occurring on the first day. [1, 2, 3] Key Casualty Figures (Canadian Corps): Total Casualties: ~10,600–11,776 (killed, wounded, missing) Fatalities: 3,598 dead Wounded: ~7,000–7,004 [1, 2, 3, 4] Context and Significance: Four Divisions: For the first time, all four divisions of the Canadian Corps fought together. Previous Failed Attempts: Before the Canadian assault, previous French and British efforts to take the ridge resulted in over 100,000 casualties. Vimy Memorial: The Canadian National Vimy Memorial in France bears the names of 11,285 Canadian soldiers who died in France and have no known grave, representing the broader cost of the war. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] In WWI, the Germans described the BEF (incl Canadians) as Lions led by Donkeys Surprised u didn't mention the Lion on the left and the aristocratic Donkey on the right. Revolutionary tactics were introduced at Vimy which contributed to the victory and to a degree Canada coming of age. (BNA act notwithstanding). Yes there was 4 Divisions .... a Corp........and they fought together....... a first ..... It is my opinion that Leaders are born ........... managers are made generally thru experience or education. There is a difference in the crucible? Edited May 5 by John Stone Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 4 hours ago, John Stone said: It is my opinion that Leaders are born ........... managers are made generally thru experience or education. There is a difference in the crucible? The point was that you absurdly tried to characterize a very small amount of deaths as a disaster… Quote
John Stone Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 6 minutes ago, User said: The point was that you absurdly tried to characterize a very small amount of deaths as a disaster… no, dude ..................13 deaths are a trajedy.🙄 Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 26 minutes ago, John Stone said: no, dude ..................13 deaths are a trajedy.🙄 And once again, you characterized this as a “complete disaster” Yes any death is a tragedy, but this wasn’t a “complete disaster” for the US. No where close. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 17 hours ago, John Johnston said: What the F@ck does that have to do with the disaster that is Trump and Hegseth? Your example is hardly a disaster...and when compared against other conflicts...while it is tragic that any lives where lost, your example hardly meets any criteria of Disaster... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 13 hours ago, John Stone said: In WWI, the Germans described the BEF (incl Canadians) as Lions led by Donkeys Surprised u didn't mention the Lion on the left and the aristocratic Donkey on the right. Revolutionary tactics were introduced at Vimy which contributed to the victory and to a degree Canada coming of age. (BNA act notwithstanding). Yes there was 4 Divisions .... a Corp........and they fought together....... a first ..... It is my opinion that Leaders are born ........... managers are made generally thru experience or education. There is a difference in the crucible? Some of the most famous leaders were born into that role I'm not arguing that point...., but a large portion of leaders are also made, shaped through training and education, and leadership training...I would look at our military success rate at producing good leadership through leadership training and practiced education...To lead soldiers in combat and mange all that stress that brings and still motivate troops onto the objective is an excellent sign of leadership...That can come from a Pte or general... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
John Stone Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 10 hours ago, Army Guy said: Some of the most famous leaders were born into that role I'm not arguing that point...., but a large portion of leaders are also made, shaped through training and education, and leadership training...I would look at our military success rate at producing good leadership through leadership training and practiced education...To lead soldiers in combat and mange all that stress that brings and still motivate troops onto the objective is an excellent sign of leadership...That can come from a Pte or general... Basically, u made my point - totally agree. A crisis will expose a leader. Quote
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