Ethicist stands her ground

[Melanie_]

I think each individual's behaviour should be the determiner of their character, not what they are. That being said, the gay agenda is to combat every law or organization that they feel restricts or opposes them.

As a woman, I have an agenda to combat every law that restricts or opposes me based on my gender. As the mother of children who are visible minorities, I have an agenda to combat every law that restricts or opposes them based on the colour of thier skin. Why shouldn't gays combat laws that restrict or oppose them based on their sexual orientation? The law of the land must be fair to all.

[Liam]

As a woman, I have an agenda to combat every law that restricts or opposes me based on my gender. As the mother of children who are visible minorities, I have an agenda to combat every law that restricts or opposes them based on the colour of thier skin. Why shouldn't gays combat laws that restrict or oppose them based on their sexual orientation? The law of the land must be fair to all.

Ahh, but Melanie, don't you see? An inherent restriction on us gay people are laws that keep us from getting at your children and indoctrinating them into the life.

[Guest Warwick Green]

I think each individual's behaviour should be the determiner of their character, not what they are. That being said, the gay agenda is to combat every law or organization that they feel restricts or opposes them.

As a woman, I have an agenda to combat every law that restricts or opposes me based on my gender. As the mother of children who are visible minorities, I have an agenda to combat every law that restricts or opposes them based on the colour of thier skin. Why shouldn't gays combat laws that restrict or oppose them based on their sexual orientation? The law of the land must be fair to all.

Very valid points. All groups in effect "have an agenda to combat every law that restricts or opposes" their interests. Go to the Christian Heritage Party website and look at their political platform and imagine what kind of a society we would have with that regime.

I never bothered to respond to the "studies" (put up by the Catholic Church to absolve themselves of their criminal activity during a child rape scandal) primarily because I felt doing so would only push the topic farther afield than it had already wandered (not because I don't find fault with them). I'd be more than happy to debate the findings if someone wants to start that thread elsewhere, but I think this thread has now already morphed into something it wasn't at the start.

I would second that. I am not sure I could make much of a contribution myself but a look at legitimate research would be intersting. Often the "studies" quoted are no more than polemics from the antagonists in the deabte.

[newbie]

The Catholic church has been made to look at it's faults and it has made some huge steps.

And those steps being...???

[mcqueen625]

This is nonsense. A person can be both an intellectual AND opposed to "gay marraige". The term "gay marraige" is an oxymoron. I'm also opposed to "gay marraige" but in favour of civil unions. Some may think it's semantics, but words mean things.

I also concur with that statement. The government can be as politically correct as they wish, but many people in Canada do not, and will not accept that two people of the same sex getting united is in any way a marriage, as is traditionally defined by most religions of the world.

Now we have EGALE coming out against the proposed legislation to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16. I wonder why that is? No, I am not homophobic and hateful, I just happen to believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, and that no 14 or 15 year old is mature enough mentally to make that kind of choice. Once they reach the age of majority they can do what they want behind closed doors, but I want a law that will not allow some 21+ person being legally allowed to prey on a 14 or 15 year old child. If EGALE is opposed to the concept of raising the age of consent, then I would be quite suspicious as to their opposition to raise the age. I know as a parent I would not want my 14 or 15 year old child, male or female, to be legally able to consent to having sex with an adult. If I found out about it happening to a child of mine, God help the adult, and I don't care what the law states.

[Black Dog]

I also concur with that statement. The government can be as politically correct as they wish, but many people in Canada do not, and will not accept that two people of the same sex getting united is in any way a marriage, as is traditionally defined by most religions of the world.

Well, since it's only the government's definition that matters, that's just too bad.

Now we have EGALE coming out against the proposed legislation to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16. I wonder why that is?

Gee I dunno. Why don't you do some research and find out.

No, I am not homophobic and hateful, I just happen to believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, and that no 14 or 15 year old is mature enough mentally to make that kind of choice.

Are 14 and 15 year olds mature enough to choose a heterosexual lifestyle?

Once they reach the age of majority they can do what they want behind closed doors, but I want a law that will not allow some 21+ person being legally allowed to prey on a 14 or 15 year old child.

The law already exists which prevents anyone from engaging in an exploitative sexual relationship with a person under 18.

If EGALE is opposed to the concept of raising the age of consent, then I would be quite suspicious as to their opposition to raise the age

Here are some arguments against raising the AoC.

[Liam]

...Now we have EGALE coming out against the proposed legislation to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16. I wonder why that is? No, I am not homophobic and hateful, I just happen to believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, and that no 14 or 15 year old is mature enough mentally to make that kind of choice...

Clearly, the implication is that this EGALE group is a semi-pedophilic organization... and, by inference, so are all gay people? I can see no other point in raising this issue amid this discussion.

(As an aside, as a parent myself, I am shocked to hear that Canada's age of consent is only 14. That's wrong no matter what the orientation of the participants.)