A Different Kind of Daycare Program

[Renegade]

Regardless, your dream of assessing all humans as to their parental suitability, ain't gonna happen.

We'll see I guess. As long as just anyone who can procreate at will can become a parent, we then always have child poverty, child abuse, and kids being brought up in unhealthy environments.

[Drea]

Regardless, your dream of assessing all humans as to their parental suitability, ain't gonna happen.

We'll see I guess. As long as just anyone who can procreate at will can become a parent, we then always have child poverty, child abuse, and kids being brought up in unhealthy environments.

Only in a totalitarian society, like say China, can the gov't regulate child birth and rearing.

Surely you don't want our gov't modelling itself after China's!

[Renegade]

Only in a totalitarian society, like say China, can the gov't regulate child birth and rearing.

Surely you don't want our gov't modelling itself after China's!

No absolutely not. Personally I would have preferred a completely non-interventionist model. Let anyone who wants to be parents be parents and if the child gets screwed in the process, well tough luck for that child. If the parent doesn't have enough resources to feed the child, but because of their own stupidity continues to have more children, well tough titty for both parents and children.

I'm fine with that kind of world. Are you?

Funny, we think it is "humane" to spay an neuter animals (not requiring their consent) to avoid them from procreating, but for humans who are too stupid to exercise good judgement, we don't offer that service.

[Drea]

Only in a totalitarian society, like say China, can the gov't regulate child birth and rearing.

Surely you don't want our gov't modelling itself after China's!

No absolutely not. Personally I would have preferred a completely non-interventionist model. Let anyone who wants to be parents be parents and if the child gets screwed in the process, well tough luck for that child. If the parent doesn't have enough resources to feed the child, but because of their own stupidity continues to have more children, well tough titty for both parents and children.

I'm fine with that kind of world. Are you?

Funny, we think it is "humane" to spay an neuter animals (not requiring their consent) to avoid them from procreating, but for humans who are too stupid to exercise good judgement, we don't offer that service.

Actually, I'm quite fine with the way our world is now. We have a nice social safety net and generally most people are good parents. Most kids grow up ok.

I cannot believe anyone would advocate "neutering" human beings for no better reason that "someone" determined they would not be suitable as parents.

[Renegade]

Actually, I'm quite fine with the way our world is now. We have a nice social safety net and generally most people are good parents. Most kids grow up ok.

Yeah, I'm ok too with the way the world is too. I'm not ok with the social safety net which provides an enablement system for even irresponsible parents to have kids.

I cannot believe anyone would advocate "neutering" human beings for no better reason that "someone" determined they would not be suitable as parents.

So as you've said, you prefer abortion to sterilization. "Neutered"? You bet. Child molesters should be neutered because they do not deserve to be parents. But, you'd be ok to give them a shot at beiing a parent right?

[Drea]

So as you've said, you prefer abortion to sterilization. "Neutered"? You bet. Child molesters should be neutered because they do not deserve to be parents. But, you'd be ok to give them a shot at beiing a parent right?

Many posts ago I said that was not okay for child molesters to have kids....

you wrote:

Would you still say that if the parents were known child molesters?

My response:

Of course not!

The thread is about women raising children in jail.

Not about whether or not we should neuter child molesters...

[Renegade]

So as you've said, you prefer abortion to sterilization. "Neutered"? You bet. Child molesters should be neutered because they do not deserve to be parents. But, you'd be ok to give them a shot at beiing a parent right?

Many posts ago I said that was not okay for child molesters to have kids....

you wrote:

Would you still say that if the parents were known child molesters?

My response:

Of course not!

The thread is about women raising children in jail.

Not about whether or not we should neuter child molesters...

Our discussion led us to the point of discussing whether society should have any ability to limit who should be a parent. On one hand you say:

I cannot believe anyone would advocate "neutering" human beings for no better reason that "someone" determined they would not be suitable as parents.

On the other hand you say:

I said that was not okay for child molesters to have kids....

So I'm confused, how exactly do you propose to prevent child molesters from having kids if not sterilize them? Or are you saying it is ok to sterilize them.

[Drea]

oh for pete sake get a grip.

Pedophiles aren't people!

OKAY ALREADY!!

[Renegade]

oh for pete sake get a grip.

Pedophiles aren't people!

OKAY ALREADY!!

huh? What do you mean? Your argument is that everything you said doesn't apply to pedophiles, because they aren't people? Hate to break it to you, as vile as the things they do, pedophiles are people and do qualify for all the same rights.

Oh, and BTW, you avoided answering the simple question I put to you.

[Drea]

oh for pete sake get a grip.

Pedophiles aren't people!

OKAY ALREADY!!

huh? What do you mean? Your argument is that everything you said doesn't apply to pedophiles, because they aren't people? Hate to break it to you, as vile as the things they do, pedophiles are people and do qualify for all the same rights.

Oh, and BTW, you avoided answering the simple question I put to you.

What question?

you keep askin and twisting everything -- Jesus are you a friggin lawyer LOL

What do you want me to say?

[Renegade]

oh for pete sake get a grip.

Pedophiles aren't people!

OKAY ALREADY!!

huh? What do you mean? Your argument is that everything you said doesn't apply to pedophiles, because they aren't people? Hate to break it to you, as vile as the things they do, pedophiles are people and do qualify for all the same rights.

Oh, and BTW, you avoided answering the simple question I put to you.

What effin question?

you keep askin and twisting everything -- Jesus are you a friggin lawyer LOL

What do you want me to say?

Do you want me to say that I think pedophiles should have 5 to 6 kids each?

WHAT WHAT WHAT?

**ck already.

What I'd like is for you to answer the question. Here let me state it again:

how exactly do you propose to prevent child molesters from having kids if not sterilize them? Or are you saying it is ok to sterilize them.

Simple question no? All it takes is a simple answer.

[Drea]

keep 'em locked up in prison.

Ok now?

[Renegade]

keep 'em locked up in prison.

Ok now?

OK. See was that so hard? Let's call a truce. I think we know each other's positions.

[geoffrey]

I have no problem with sterilization or castration of sex offenders, if it is proven to prevent re-offences.

[betsy]

It depends on the mother's crime and time to be spent in jail.

For minor criminal offenses and short term in jail, the child could be raised by a foster family...and for serious offenders, the child ought to be given a good chance in life through adoption.

But I don't think any infants or children belong in jail. As a mother, would I want to see my child growing up behind bars with me?

[Renegade]

It depends on the mother's crime and time to be spent in jail.

For minor criminal offenses and short term in jail, the child could be raised by a foster family...and for serious offenders, the child ought to be given a good chance in life through adoption.

But I don't think any infants or children belong in jail. As a mother, would I want to see my child growing up behind bars with me?

I agree with you. It would be ludicrous to take a child from a mother for a petty and relative minor incident, but if the incident was serious which involved years of jail time, the child is better off in adoption. The most formative years of a child's development are the first 4 years. Are they really going to develop properly in four years of a jail environment? Alternatively, if they are in foster care for 4 years, they are going to bond to that foster family. What is it going to do to them emotionally to be ripped from that environment and sent to their mother, who is basicly a stranger to them.