Tories create committee to scrap gun registry.

[BubberMiley]

Cheney proved last week that hunting is never safe. If a first-in-command vice-president can't be trusted with a gun, who can? I don't hink hunters have a god-given right to jeopardize the lives of every hiker/mountain biker/fellow hunter by shooting at anything that moves in the bush.

[fixer1]

I have my guns for sport and for varmint control. I live in the country roughly 45 miles from any large city. I guess I would also have to say my guns are for my family's safety because the policing of rural areas is not wht you would call fast. There are many times during a day that police responce even to an emergency could be 30-60 minutes away. Now, yes I am a bit of a do everything myself type person, and that is because I have to be. Not so long ago most Canadians were this way because they had to be as well. Our country is not fully settled and yes there are many more wild areas then there are civilized ones. Why is it that the stuffy fat headed liberal city dwellers think that only what they want counts. Maybe if some of these panty waists would learn that sometimes being a man, is also standing up to things. Those who whine run and hide, when violence is around them, should be ashamed of them selves because if people stood up to these people, they would not be in your faces all the time. Those will say it is the job of the police to catch them, forget that police can not be everywhere. The troble is everyone is afraid to act, and that is exactly why these punks get away with all they do.

Evidently I grew up in a different country than you. My Dad had guns, we lived way out in a big farming area. He was in the minority big time. Most men, farmers, in our area did not own guns and had no use for them. There were people who had licenses to hunt and trap and the farmers relied on them to get rid of the varmits. I live 100 or more miles from any large city by the way.

I guess you must have been from a different world. As Child I was raised in Galt On. (50 miles from Toronto) most people were not farmers but many still hunted etc. My grandfather was a farmer in Cochrane On, and he was the one who taught us kids how to hunt and fish and general woodmanship. Believe me when I say that if you are like you are, you had best never stray in the woods of any northern On town, because wildlife there may find you quite appettizing. You seem to have the same problem many people from cities have, and that is you think it is all about you and the cities. Wake up and smell the roses, as We the country people, who till the land and grow your food, are not like you and we do not want to be like you in any way. As I said, Toronto is full of cowards who see people picking on others less able and you turn a blind eye and walk away. In the country you would not find this. We have pride and we also do not idly stand by when people are picked on. Over 100 people were present the day the shooting started at the Eaton Center, and yet no one made any attempt to restrain the shooters, or even follow them so police could capture them. And you think we should be like city people :angry: Those who never learn about hunting and fishing and woodsmanship, will never gate to see 90% of Canada. I feel sad for you, as you gringe and hid when things happen around you. The reason the cities are so crowded with criminals is because, you allow them to be there. Even when they are caught, you are afraid to speak up.

I am glad my grandfather taught all my brothers and myself to hunt and fishing and woodsmanship, because he was a hunting guide in his early years, and it would have been such a shame to have lost that knowledge that was so important to Canada at one time. It makes me feel proud to be Canadian, and have knowledge of things soon forgotten by many. You will never hear the howles of wolves or coyotes, See deer and moose in their natural habitats. Know the difference between black , brown and grizzily bears. Or that all white bears are no polar bears. I have yet to hunt in the far north or even trek there. But I hope to one day have that chance, and yes I will have my guns and weapons with me. Oh, yes I almost forgot, I also am pretty good with a compound bow and arrow. If you think guns are bad and kill, moden day bows and arrows are probably a more devastating weapon then any of them. You see even if all the guns were taken away from all the criminals, they would then resort to other weapons like knives and bows etc.. You only get rid of criminals when you start standing up for yourselves. Swarming is something you read so much about now happening in the cities, is something that would be hard to do if people stood together and stopped these happenings. Only when these happen in isolated areas do I think it not easy to stop. But when this is done in crowded shopping malls, that really bothers me.

So yes you can try and let licensed hunters and others do for you what you are not able to stand up and do yourself. But what happens when you are all alone and help can not come for quite some time. Learn to be a doer. You have it in you to stand up for what is yours and be proud to do it. Yes it some times has to come thru many fears, and nervousness. But it will come. We all have it in us to stand up for what is right. We proved that long ago with the soldiers we sent to war to give us the freedom to be about to do the things we now do. Do not give up any of your rights so easily when so many have died to see you have those same rights.

[Drea]

I guess you must have been from a different world. As Child I was raised in Galt On. (50 miles from Toronto) most people were not farmers but many still hunted etc. My grandfather was a farmer in Cochrane On, and he was the one who taught us kids how to hunt and fish and general woodmanship. Believe me when I say that if you are like you are, you had best never stray in the woods of any northern On town, because wildlife there may find you quite appettizing. You seem to have the same problem many people from cities have, and that is you think it is all about you and the cities. Wake up and smell the roses, as We the country people, who till the land and grow your food, are not like you and we do not want to be like you in any way. As I said, Toronto is full of cowards who see people picking on others less able and you turn a blind eye and walk away. In the country you would not find this. We have pride and we also do not idly stand by when people are picked on. Over 100 people were present the day the shooting started at the Eaton Center, and yet no one made any attempt to restrain the shooters, or even follow them so police could capture them. And you think we should be like city people :angry: Those who never learn about hunting and fishing and woodsmanship, will never gate to see 90% of Canada. I feel sad for you, as you gringe and hid when things happen around you. The reason the cities are so crowded with criminals is because, you allow them to be there. Even when they are caught, you are afraid to speak up.

I am glad my grandfather taught all my brothers and myself to hunt and fishing and woodsmanship, because he was a hunting guide in his early years, and it would have been such a shame to have lost that knowledge that was so important to Canada at one time. It makes me feel proud to be Canadian, and have knowledge of things soon forgotten by many. You will never hear the howles of wolves or coyotes, See deer and moose in their natural habitats. Know the difference between black , brown and grizzily bears. Or that all white bears are no polar bears. I have yet to hunt in the far north or even trek there. But I hope to one day have that chance, and yes I will have my guns and weapons with me. Oh, yes I almost forgot, I also am pretty good with a compound bow and arrow. If you think guns are bad and kill, moden day bows and arrows are probably a more devastating weapon then any of them. You see even if all the guns were taken away from all the criminals, they would then resort to other weapons like knives and bows etc.. You only get rid of criminals when you start standing up for yourselves.

Swarming is something you read so much about now happening in the cities, is something that would be hard to do if people stood together and stopped these happenings. Only when these happen in isolated areas do I think it not easy to stop. But when this is done in crowded shopping malls, that really bothers me.

By your reasoning here, you would have common citizens shooting blind ("Which person is the criminal?" I don't know Frank! Just keep shootin'!")

If the criminals had no choice but to use rifles, they would be pretty easy to spot in a mall carrying a long barrel shotgun or a long bow.

BTW I can RUN from a knife, I cannot run from a bullet. If knives are so effective as a killing weapon, perhaps more hunters should use them for bagging next year's moose.

So yes you can try and let licensed hunters and others do for you what you are not able to stand up and do yourself. But what happens when you are all alone and help can not come for quite some time. Learn to be a doer. You have it in you to stand up for what is yours and be proud to do it. Yes it some times has to come thru many fears, and nervousness. But it will come. We all have it in us to stand up for what is right. We proved that long ago with the soldiers we sent to war to give us the freedom to be about to do the things we now do. Do not give up any of your rights so easily when so many have died to see you have those same rights.

Learn to be a doer..... Hmmm what does that mean? Learn to pack a gun and shoot anyone who may or may not be a criminal (aren't ALL people in baggy pants in the city considered criminals?)

Don't get me wrong -- I'm certainly not against hunting. I'm against shooting for fun. Yes, I'm against it. Shooting is not supposed to be fun for goodness sake!

When you shoot a moose you should be very humbled and thank it for feeding your family. Killing is not FUN no matter WHAT you kill -- it's a living, breathing thing and should be respected as such. Pay homage for the food you recieve by killing. We need to kill to eat but there should be no joy in killing a living thing.

[Wilber]

Cheney proved last week that hunting is never safe. If a first-in-command vice-president can't be trusted with a gun, who can? I don't hink hunters have a god-given right to jeopardize the lives of every hiker/mountain biker/fellow hunter by shooting at anything that moves in the bush.

I'm not a hunter but of course hunters don't have a god given right to jeopardize the lives of others any more than you do with your car.

There are tons of things people do which aren't safe. Do you think that just the ones you don't like should be banned? Do you ski? How many have been killed or maimed on ski slopes by other skiers acting irresponsibly? Should skiing be banned as well because some people can't be trusted on skis?

[margrace]

Cheney proved last week that hunting is never safe. If a first-in-command vice-president can't be trusted with a gun, who can? I don't hink hunters have a god-given right to jeopardize the lives of every hiker/mountain biker/fellow hunter by shooting at anything that moves in the bush.

I'm not a hunter but of course hunters don't have a god given right to jeopardize the lives of others any more than you do with your car.

There are tons of things people do which aren't safe. Do you think that just the ones you don't like should be banned? Do you ski? How many have been killed or maimed on ski slopes by other skiers acting irresponsibly? Should skiing be banned as well because some people can't be trusted on skis?

One of the worst scenarios is a carload of hunters getting out on one concession. Walking over to the next concession and shooting anything is sight ever threatening the owners of the land. I don't know whether this still goes on or not but it sure used to.

[gerryhatrick]

gerry glad to see you are back. And adding as much to the conversation as usual!

Does a bear shit in the woods? Who cares?

What's to add? Commenting about "promises kept" in regards to Conservatives looking to scrap the gun registry is like commenting on the grass growing or the paint drying.

I'm quite serious, who cares?

[mcqueen625]

I think that the long gun registry was one of the stupiest things that ever was brought out by a government. I believe they did this just to give employment to Marimachi New Brunswick, because there is no other sensible reason for it. It does not control the weapons in any way and it tends to make criminals of people wo use these rifles to hunt and for pest control. Canada being a vast country and still having many wild areas, where few should venture without weapons for security, means that we should not be even entertaining the idea of this registry. The costs are 1000 times first projected and the fact that even when registering the guns, the registrtion always seems to get lost some where along the way.

The wife and myself registered 4 rifles that we have, and we had to re-register them 3 more times before they finally acknowledged them. During that time had a police officer or any law enforcement officer came to the house and saw the guns, and checked for registrtion, both my wife and myself cou;ld have been charged. It is such a farce. I for one will not be sorry to see the registry gone.

I have to disagree about Miramichi as a location for the gun registry as a reason why the Liberal's wanted to start and keep the gun registry, because at one point they were going to privatize it and move it to Quebec, but since they closed CFB Chatham they felt obligated to replace those civilian jobs with the fregistry.

I do agree that Chretien/ Martin and company lied to Canada about their motivation for the registry in the first place because it has not taken the weapons out of the hands of one criminal, and why is that? It is simply because criminals do not register weapons they are not supposed to possess in the first place, and secondly I feel that their was an even deeper reason why Chretien/Martin/Cotler wanted these guns registered, and that reason I suspect is eventual confiscation without compensation, just as happened in Australia. The problem in Australia now is that armed home invasions have skyrocketed, because the only people now who have guns are police, military and the criminal elements. Allen Rock made it quite plain that his eventual goal was to confiscate all civilian owned weapons, because he felt that people do not and should not possess such dangerous instruments. The next problem is what do we do with all of the knives, hatchets, rocks and other potential weapons like fists that are often used to commit murder. Where does it end for these control freaks?

[mcqueen625]

Unfortunate thing for Miramichi. There really isn't much employment out in NB, this is terrible news for that province.

Let them get real jobs! Maybe Bernard Lord can entice a call centre to set up shop and they can spend the day doing something useful, like selling insurance to credit card holders, or hawking other wares. Who cares, because the registry was a poor idea in the first place so these people should never have been in those jobs.

A call centre of similar size closed over a weekend in Oromocto, NB employing about the same amount of employees, and the Province was able to entice another call centre to simply move in.

The gun registry is nothing but another failed project started by the Liberal's for all the wrong reasons. It was a registry that ended up targetting otherwise honest law-abiding citizens who used those guns for for hunting. It targeted the wrong segment of society because criminals will never voluntarily walk in and register weapons they in many cases are prohibited from owning by law in the fisrt place. It's right up there with sponsorship and HRDC boondoggles.

[fixer1]

I guess you must have been from a different world. As Child I was raised in Galt On. (50 miles from Toronto) most people were not farmers but many still hunted etc. My grandfather was a farmer in Cochrane On, and he was the one who taught us kids how to hunt and fish and general woodmanship. Believe me when I say that if you are like you are, you had best never stray in the woods of any northern On town, because wildlife there may find you quite appettizing. You seem to have the same problem many people from cities have, and that is you think it is all about you and the cities. Wake up and smell the roses, as We the country people, who till the land and grow your food, are not like you and we do not want to be like you in any way. As I said, Toronto is full of cowards who see people picking on others less able and you turn a blind eye and walk away. In the country you would not find this. We have pride and we also do not idly stand by when people are picked on. Over 100 people were present the day the shooting started at the Eaton Center, and yet no one made any attempt to restrain the shooters, or even follow them so police could capture them. And you think we should be like city people :angry: Those who never learn about hunting and fishing and woodsmanship, will never gate to see 90% of Canada. I feel sad for you, as you gringe and hid when things happen around you. The reason the cities are so crowded with criminals is because, you allow them to be there. Even when they are caught, you are afraid to speak up.

I am glad my grandfather taught all my brothers and myself to hunt and fishing and woodsmanship, because he was a hunting guide in his early years, and it would have been such a shame to have lost that knowledge that was so important to Canada at one time. It makes me feel proud to be Canadian, and have knowledge of things soon forgotten by many. You will never hear the howles of wolves or coyotes, See deer and moose in their natural habitats. Know the difference between black , brown and grizzily bears. Or that all white bears are no polar bears. I have yet to hunt in the far north or even trek there. But I hope to one day have that chance, and yes I will have my guns and weapons with me. Oh, yes I almost forgot, I also am pretty good with a compound bow and arrow. If you think guns are bad and kill, moden day bows and arrows are probably a more devastating weapon then any of them. You see even if all the guns were taken away from all the criminals, they would then resort to other weapons like knives and bows etc.. You only get rid of criminals when you start standing up for yourselves.

Swarming is something you read so much about now happening in the cities, is something that would be hard to do if people stood together and stopped these happenings. Only when these happen in isolated areas do I think it not easy to stop. But when this is done in crowded shopping malls, that really bothers me.

By your reasoning here, you would have common citizens shooting blind ("Which person is the criminal?" I don't know Frank! Just keep shootin'!")

If the criminals had no choice but to use rifles, they would be pretty easy to spot in a mall carrying a long barrel shotgun or a long bow.

BTW I can RUN from a knife, I cannot run from a bullet. If knives are so effective as a killing weapon, perhaps more hunters should use them for bagging next year's moose.

So yes you can try and let licensed hunters and others do for you what you are not able to stand up and do yourself. But what happens when you are all alone and help can not come for quite some time. Learn to be a doer. You have it in you to stand up for what is yours and be proud to do it. Yes it some times has to come thru many fears, and nervousness. But it will come. We all have it in us to stand up for what is right. We proved that long ago with the soldiers we sent to war to give us the freedom to be about to do the things we now do. Do not give up any of your rights so easily when so many have died to see you have those same rights.

Learn to be a doer..... Hmmm what does that mean? Learn to pack a gun and shoot anyone who may or may not be a criminal (aren't ALL people in baggy pants in the city considered criminals?)

Don't get me wrong -- I'm certainly not against hunting. I'm against shooting for fun. Yes, I'm against it. Shooting is not supposed to be fun for goodness sake!

When you shoot a moose you should be very humbled and thank it for feeding your family. Killing is not FUN no matter WHAT you kill -- it's a living, breathing thing and should be respected as such. Pay homage for the food you recieve by killing. We need to kill to eat but there should be no joy in killing a living thing.

I said nothing about using guns to stop the shootings in Toronto. People could have easily grabbed and pined the guy shooting, or followed to see where he went so police could find them. I see maybe people can not understand such things as being willing to stand up to these guys.

Yes in the country we have guns and we shoot things GET OVER IT. The cities think it is all me me me. Maybe you city people need to learn what built Canada and it was not the likes of you. I should not say all I have many friends from the city and they also come out hunting and fishing etc. They seem to have their heads on pretty straight. Most of them would interfere when they see a group of people picking on another. I do not believe they would give not doing so a second thought.

Maybe I should put it this way, the city people who want to say police protect them always, should stay right where they are ( within minutes of policwe responce). Out of the cities police respoce is like 30-60 minutes for emergencies (life threatening), days for robberies etc. And BTW we pay almost as much now in taxes as the city people do. The guys you see jumping out of cars hunting and shooting at each other are not trained in hiunting and fishing. These are just people who need to learn the rights and wrongs. Do hunting accidents happen yes, but not as much as sports injuries and not nearly the number of deaths. So fo try and bam sports! So anyway I still stand by what I said. People will never be able to get rid if criminals in their neighbourhoods, unless sthey stand up for the neighbourhood, and I am not talking armed response but that of numbers. The only time I ever have had my weapons with me while in the city is when I am passing thru to go to a shooting club event or another gun sport event. Even then they are in proper gun storage. I do not think every person in the city needs to have a gun, but those who wish to own rifles etc should be allowed to do so without government interference. All hand guns should be registered and proper storage is a must no matter where you are.

[fixer1]

I almost forgot to mention that the caliber of gun used in the boxing day shootings was of the type where that gun is banned in Canada. So how well did that ban work?

[geoffrey]

I almost forgot to mention that the caliber of gun used in the boxing day shootings was of the type where that gun is banned in Canada. So how well did that ban work?

But of course it was registered and the police just had to look up the serial number right??

What a joke, people that kill people with guns don't register them first. I can't believe the stupidity of those that support the registry, its actually so far beyond common sense I just can't comprehend it.

Those that fear guns are those that aren't familiar with them. Guns in the hands of safety minded gun owners are pretty safe, way more safe than a car in the hands of most drivers on the road.

Car accidents and fatalities far outnumber gun accidents and fatalities!

Guns aren't the danger, stupid people are the danger. Not to mention these thug wanna-be criminals, who 99 times out of 100 fit into that stupid category...

[fixer1]

I almost forgot to mention that the caliber of gun used in the boxing day shootings was of the type where that gun is banned in Canada. So how well did that ban work?

But of course it was registered and the police just had to look up the serial number right??

What a joke, people that kill people with guns don't register them first. I can't believe the stupidity of those that support the registry, its actually so far beyond common sense I just can't comprehend it.

Those that fear guns are those that aren't familiar with them. Guns in the hands of safety minded gun owners are pretty safe, way more safe than a car in the hands of most drivers on the road.

Car accidents and fatalities far outnumber gun accidents and fatalities!

Guns aren't the danger, stupid people are the danger. Not to mention these thug wanna-be criminals, who 99 times out of 100 fit into that stupid category...

What is meant by this is that certain caliber guns are already banned and even collectors are not allowed to have them registered or not. The only way to have them in a collec tions is to render them nonservicible Any caliber higher then 22cal all thru to 32 cal are banned from ownership. Since the bullets found in the boxing day shooting were 32 cal. it was from a weapon already banned here in Canada. It seems to me to be that they have banned the guns of calibers that are most easily used to make them concealled.

[IPSC STORM]

Well glad I found this place.

Dreas.......... I just came home from a HANDGUN shooting competition. Today we had about 40 competitors ( 40 more tomorrow) and we fired over 6000 rounds of ammo. Guess what?? NOBODY DIED!! So your "theory" that guns are only good for killing is just crap.

As to hunting with handguns? Well you really should learn about a subject before you post about it. The TRUTH of the matter is that in many areas handgun hunting is very popular. The only reason we do not hunt with handguns in Canada is because the goverment made it illegal No other reason. There are MANY MANY handguns that are designed specifically FOR hunting.

So only the police NEED guns? Hmmmm Well well.........do you NEED your computer? I would imagine not. And since we know that child molesters are now using computers to commit crimes it is LOGICAL (by your twisted logic) that YOU should turn YOURS in.

My computer was not built with the express purpose of expelling a piece of lead or metal at unbelieveable speeds into someone's body. Your gun was built with this express purpose.

Or was the very first gun invented for a purpose other than killing -- if it was, by all means tell us. "It's a decorative accessory" (Like my earrings, 'cause earrings don't kill people, people do )

I'm glad you had fun at the shooting club.

I'm also glad to hear that hunting with a handgun is illegal.

My dad hunted moose evey year as we were growing up. Us kids (or our friends) never touched those rifles. It's not 1970 anymore though.

My sister had a foster kid a couple of years ago... we found a handgun (don't know what kind, it was a big, silver thing) in her backpack. We called the police, they came and took it away. The kid had NO consequences whatsoever. Wonder where she got it? One of her "friends" perhaps? Perhaps one of her friends father bought it for her as a gift LOL. "Here you go honey, but don't use it unless you really need to!". Couple weeks goes by..... "Hey, honey where's your gun?" "Oh Dad, I dunno, my friend Cindy was here the other day, and now my gun is gone, I just wanted to show it to her!"

Putting guns in the hands of children. I shake my head.

If you want your kid to learn to shoot why not put them in army, air or sea cadets? That way they get to learn the "tool" not the "cool".

PLUS the rifle (they use rifles in the army -- go figure) would stay at the armoury, not in the home.

Margrace:

Lovely to see you here!

WRONG on all fronts.

Actually your computer does come from its roots as a killing machine. The first computers were designed BY THE MILITARY to make it easier to KILL PEOPLE! In reality their purpose is to store and transmit information. What information is dependant upon the intentions of the user. It can be life saving information for a hospital or the twisted images of a child molester. Likewise a firearm is designed as you point out to shoot a bullet at high speed. Again the end result is dependant on the user. The bullet can kill an attacker, it can kill an innoncent, it can kill prey for the supper table, or as in my case this weekend it can punch holes in paper targets and knock over steel plates.

You decry my handing guns to my children after ensuring that they have passed the required courses for firearm lisencing. Both my 12 year old son and 15 year old daughter have been around firearms since they were born. Both can safely clear every single firearm I own not to mention their own collections. There is absolutely NO risk that they or anyone around them would be harmed should a fiream.

Meanwhile you recount a story of the risks involved when kids with little or no knowledge regarding firearms encounter one.

Both my children are involved in my clubs Junior Rifle program as well. They join a distinguished group of kids in our area. As a matter of fact one graduate of our program is currently away to University on a FULL SCHOLARSHIP for shooting! She is also on the Deans Honour list. Many of our kids have represented our province in the Canada Winter and Summer Games. Two of them (girls) have been to Olympic trials!

As to hunting with handguns and your obivous dislike of it. It is interesting to note that you do not put forth any REASON why. This is understandable of course because there is in fact no logical reason not to hunt with a handgun. Of course moose hunting with a handgun would be very rare indeed due to the power required and the subsequent recoil. Howver I suggest that while hunting moose it would be very convienient to have a nice .22 revolver or pistol to harvest the grouse that inhabit the same woods as the moose. Using a High powered 7mm magnum on a grouse is overkill and does not leave much meat. ( unless you manage a head shot)

With regard to keeping guns in the armoury.........that is really a stupid idea to be truthful on multiple levels. One is of course security. It is very hard to defend ones home and family with a firarm that is across town now isnt it!

With regard to the discussion about .32 caliber handguns above.......

Sorry but again........WRON WRONG WRONG!

.32s are not banned from collectors. True the Liberals were trying to do so but they have lost evey battle. Many thousands of Canadian gun owners are "grandfathered" to keep them as per the OIC that made them illegal. Of couse we now hope that the new government will use the same OIC to can that ever so stupid law. I am currently helping out several owners caught in a CFC inspired limbo by the LIEberal OICs. As a matter of fact I was in court last week on such a case. Now if any of you are in SW ontario I would be more than please to take you out to the range so you can try one of these fine firearms. Just send me a PM and we can set it up.

[fixer1]

You maybe right on the grandfathering the 32cal, I was told they had to be rendered unservicable to collect but that was quite a while back, and as you say there has been a lot of back and forth going on. I keep up with my own firearm requirements but I will admit I only half skim the others things just for the jist of it.

[geoffrey]

You maybe right on the grandfathering the 32cal, I was told they had to be rendered unservicable to collect but that was quite a while back, and as you say there has been a lot of back and forth going on. I keep up with my own firearm requirements but I will admit I only half skim the others things just for the jist of it.

I'm pretty sure you can obtain them with a restricted weapons permit but I'm not 100% sure, the .32cal that is.

[IPSC STORM]

You maybe right on the grandfathering the 32cal, I was told they had to be rendered unservicable to collect but that was quite a while back, and as you say there has been a lot of back and forth going on. I keep up with my own firearm requirements but I will admit I only half skim the others things just for the jist of it.

I'm pretty sure you can obtain them with a restricted weapons permit but I'm not 100% sure, the .32cal that is.

If you had them before Feb 14 1995 you are grandfathered to own them ( like me). You can buy and sell them amongst other grandfathered owners. The downside is the police do not need a warrant to search your home any more.( those rights are reserved for real criminals).

If you bought your first one between Feb 14 1995 and Dec 31 1998 you would be in LIMBO as the Feds true to form screwed the pooch with regard to how the law functioned. That is why thousands of owners are now in court to clear it up. Incidently the judged decided AGAINST a class action suit to settle the matter. So instead on one clean and relatively inexpensive case we now will be clogging the court system with THOUSANDS of cases. The two crowns I have spoken to about this are royally pissed that this is happening. One who speciallized in DRUG CASES has ZERO background in firearm issues. I was having to give him an overview of the Law so he could try to argue HIS CASE!

Lucky.............this portion of the law is slated to be killed off by the CPC when their new law comes into play and it will not be too soon!

[margrace]

You maybe right on the grandfathering the 32cal, I was told they had to be rendered unservicable to collect but that was quite a while back, and as you say there has been a lot of back and forth going on. I keep up with my own firearm requirements but I will admit I only half skim the others things just for the jist of it.

I'm pretty sure you can obtain them with a restricted weapons permit but I'm not 100% sure, the .32cal that is.

If you had them before Feb 14 1995 you are grandfathered to own them ( like me). You can buy and sell them amongst other grandfathered owners. The downside is the police do not need a warrant to search your home any more.( those rights are reserved for real criminals).

If you bought your first one between Feb 14 1995 and Dec 31 1998 you would be in LIMBO as the Feds true to form screwed the pooch with regard to how the law functioned. That is why thousands of owners are now in court to clear it up. Incidently the judged decided AGAINST a class action suit to settle the matter. So instead on one clean and relatively inexpensive case we now will be clogging the court system with THOUSANDS of cases. The two crowns I have spoken to about this are royally pissed that this is happening. One who speciallized in DRUG CASES has ZERO background in firearm issues. I was having to give him an overview of the Law so he could try to argue HIS CASE!

Lucky.............this portion of the law is slated to be killed off by the CPC when their new law comes into play and it will not be too soon!

I see nothing wrong with having hunting guns registered. The cost overruns are just so much smoke screen, not really the point. Hand guns should be completely banned. The point is that the American gun lobby, built on shooting first and asking afterward, is promoting this free use of guns.

It isn't based on my free use of a gun, its based on profit in making weapons clear and simple

[IPSC STORM]

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I see nothing wrong with having hunting guns registered. The cost overruns are just so much smoke screen, not really the point. Hand guns should be completely banned. The point is that the American gun lobby, built on shooting first and asking afterward, is promoting this free use of guns.

It isn't based on my free use of a gun, its based on profit in making weapons clear and simple

Of course you do not see anything wrong with it.........You hate guns and the people that use them. Registration can only be used as a lead in to CONFISCATION. So it plays right down your alley. Registration can achieve NO OTHER PURPOSE. This is not conjecture it is a simple fact. Registration has NEVER in the history of Canada been used to solve a single crime. NOT ONE. It has however time and time again lead to CONFISCATION of property from people who were stupid enough or trusting enough to follow the orders of the government.

FINE!! You are welcome to think like that.

It is trying to put these twisted thoughts in motion where I have a problem.

How about BANNING people who commit CRIME!

What do you really know about the dreaded AMERICAN (shudder) gun lobby? Nothing more that the tripe spouted by the likes of Michael Moore I would gatther. The NRA that you elude to is not active in Canada. Here we have our own groups that became active AFTER you and YOUR ilk decided to try and strip away our rights. Well bucko......... I am here to tell you that me and THOUSANDS of Canadians like me will not sit idle by and let you and your ill advised friends ruin our country. YES OUR COUNTRY. We have as much say as to what happens here as you do. However we do not run around telling other people how to run their lives!!

As to the profit motive..............damn are you REALLY that much of a leftwing nut? I mean REALLY!!

Reading your posts I knew you were somewhat spun in the head but that concept just makes me wonder if you could possibly be more than a little off your rocker.

People who promote the legitimate use of firearms for FUN, SPORT and Defense do so for more than profit. ( albeit there is that nagging problem of having to provide for ones family)- But then again your type have always counted on the Government to do that for them.

[margrace]

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I see nothing wrong with having hunting guns registered. The cost overruns are just so much smoke screen, not really the point. Hand guns should be completely banned. The point is that the American gun lobby, built on shooting first and asking afterward, is promoting this free use of guns.

It isn't based on my free use of a gun, its based on profit in making weapons clear and simple

Of course you do not see anything wrong with it.........You hate guns and the people that use them. Registration can only be used as a lead in to CONFISCATION. So it plays right down your alley. Registration can achieve NO OTHER PURPOSE. This is not conjecture it is a simple fact. Registration has NEVER in the history of Canada been used to solve a single crime. NOT ONE. It has however time and time again lead to CONFISCATION of property from people who were stupid enough or trusting enough to follow the orders of the government.

FINE!! You are welcome to think like that.

It is trying to put these twisted thoughts in motion where I have a problem.

How about BANNING people who commit CRIME!

What do you really know about the dreaded AMERICAN (shudder) gun lobby? Nothing more that the tripe spouted by the likes of Michael Moore I would gatther. The NRA that you elude to is not active in Canada. Here we have our own groups that became active AFTER you and YOUR ilk decided to try and strip away our rights. Well bucko......... I am here to tell you that me and THOUSANDS of Canadians like me will not sit idle by and let you and your ill advised friends ruin our country. YES OUR COUNTRY. We have as much say as to what happens here as you do. However we do not run around telling other people how to run their lives!!

As to the profit motive..............damn are you REALLY that much of a leftwing nut? I mean REALLY!!

Reading your posts I knew you were somewhat spun in the head but that concept just makes me wonder if you could possibly be more than a little off your rocker.

People who promote the legitimate use of firearms for FUN, SPORT and Defense do so for more than profit. ( albeit there is that nagging problem of having to provide for ones family)- But then again your type have always counted on the Government to do that for them.

Quite a rant IPSC storm, now do you feel better. On the other hand I would be very frightened of someone like you with a gun in their hands. People who exhib anger like this are really dangerous.

[Wilber]

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I see nothing wrong with having hunting guns registered. The cost overruns are just so much smoke screen, not really the point. Hand guns should be completely banned. The point is that the American gun lobby, built on shooting first and asking afterward, is promoting this free use of guns.

It isn't based on my free use of a gun, its based on profit in making weapons clear and simple

Of course you do not see anything wrong with it.........You hate guns and the people that use them. Registration can only be used as a lead in to CONFISCATION. So it plays right down your alley. Registration can achieve NO OTHER PURPOSE. This is not conjecture it is a simple fact. Registration has NEVER in the history of Canada been used to solve a single crime. NOT ONE. It has however time and time again lead to CONFISCATION of property from people who were stupid enough or trusting enough to follow the orders of the government.

FINE!! You are welcome to think like that.

It is trying to put these twisted thoughts in motion where I have a problem.

How about BANNING people who commit CRIME!

What do you really know about the dreaded AMERICAN (shudder) gun lobby? Nothing more that the tripe spouted by the likes of Michael Moore I would gatther. The NRA that you elude to is not active in Canada. Here we have our own groups that became active AFTER you and YOUR ilk decided to try and strip away our rights. Well bucko......... I am here to tell you that me and THOUSANDS of Canadians like me will not sit idle by and let you and your ill advised friends ruin our country. YES OUR COUNTRY. We have as much say as to what happens here as you do. However we do not run around telling other people how to run their lives!!

As to the profit motive..............damn are you REALLY that much of a leftwing nut? I mean REALLY!!

Reading your posts I knew you were somewhat spun in the head but that concept just makes me wonder if you could possibly be more than a little off your rocker.

People who promote the legitimate use of firearms for FUN, SPORT and Defense do so for more than profit. ( albeit there is that nagging problem of having to provide for ones family)- But then again your type have always counted on the Government to do that for them.

Quite a rant IPSC storm, now do you feel better. On the other hand I would be very frightened of someone like you with a gun in their hands. People who exhib anger like this are really dangerous.

When billions are spent on something that is useless, it is a smoke screen to point it out. When people object to having some taken away that they enjoy, they are pawns of some nefarious American lobby group. Why are you afraid when people get upset with you for spouting off a bunch of garbage you can't substantiate, in order to take away their rights? No one has threatened you, they just don't respect your opinion on this issue and are telling you so in no uncertain terms.

[Drea]

This side doesn't respect THAT side's opinion.

That side doesn't repect THIS side's opinion.

This argument could go on and on and on and on, never to be resolved.

Fixer1, you seem to have a hate on for city folk. Too bad. Most city folk have some country roots! Me included.

IPSC STORM, your just angry.

Why don't I "like" handguns? They serve only one purpose -- the harming of a human being.

Comparing computers and guns is simply ridiculous. My computer can't "go off" accidentally and maim me... if I walk into a bank with a laptop, it's not very threatening LOL.

Yes, the internet was invented by the military. So was the helicopter, but it has more uses than one. Guns have ONE purpose -- to propel a lead or steal pellet at incredible speeds into something. "Something" could be a living thing, a piece of paper, or a clay plate.

Handguns should be banned. Period. Anyone caught with a handgun should receive an automatic 2 year sentence. Period.

Would this get the guns out of the hands of criminals? IMO it would. The more difficult firearms are to get, the less likely the gangbanger is going to have one. Simple logic. If there is only 6 of one thing (instead of 60,000) less people would have it.

Rifles for hunting? Different story altogether.

Like I said before it would be pretty darn difficult to hide a long barrel whilst strolling in the mall.

I agree that the gun registry was a stupid idea and it should be scrapped -- we in Canada have always had to register our rifles.

THis is my last post on this subject.

Cheers!

[geoffrey]

I see nothing wrong with having hunting guns registered. The cost overruns are just so much smoke screen, not really the point. Hand guns should be completely banned. The point is that the American gun lobby, built on shooting first and asking afterward, is promoting this free use of guns.

It isn't based on my free use of a gun, its based on profit in making weapons clear and simple

Why have them registered? Why must all of our posessions be registered with the government? It's a complete invasion of privacy, not to mention that we have to pay for this. I've never committed a crime, yet I'm treated like some kind of criminal?

There is no American gun lobby influence here, what a bunch of fear mongering anti-Americanism, "shoot first ask later". Thats not even what they stand for if they were here.

We're a bunch of responsible gun owners. Remember, the gun registry hasn't saved one life yet, or aided in the solving of any crime. It's an invasion of privacy, and a make work program for the Miramachi. If it cost $100 for the whole program it would be a waste of money.

Stop fearing something you know nothing about and be a propper left-wing idiot and learn about another part of your own culture. It's funny that those that encourage tolerance are the first to take something away when they don't understand it. :angry:

[BubberMiley]

Not much to understand with guns: bullet, trigger, hammer, dead thing.

[Wilber]

Would someone please come up with one example of where the gun registry has actually saved a life or prevented a crime. Can someone please come up with a reason why baning all handguns would somehow prevent crimes committed by guns that are possessed illegally already. Most of which entered the country illegally in the first place.

The real crooks must love those who are in love with registries and bans. Instead of that money going into real policing which would be a real problem for them, it gets blown on trying to control law abiding people with regulations real criminals have no intention of following anyway. You won't see any of them on these forums protesting more regulations. They could care less.

[IPSC STORM]

Quite a rant IPSC storm, now do you feel better. On the other hand I would be very frightened of someone like you with a gun in their hands. People who exhib anger like this are really dangerous.

Anger???

LOL

I have spent most of my time trying not to LAUGH at your stupid ideas.

You really do not have a sigle clue as regards the firearms issue.

Again...........that is fine as long as you do not try and effect me or my family and friends.

The REAL danger is people like you who want to spread their disinformation and flawed ideas.

But thanks for your reply.

A personal attack likes yours above is a sure sign that I am indeed correct in my assumptions of you and your knowledge of the issue at hand. YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!

That is now also painfully obvious to anyone that reads this thread.

So...............thanks for that!

( BTW. The final count was 70 shooters firing some 7550 rounds of handgun ammo over two days. The only casualty was a steel taget that broke its hinge............OH THE HUMANITY!!)