We must welcome the Middle...

[SamStranger]

heres my little graph of canadian politics (everyones getting nervous eh )

Left (from 1-50)

Right (60-100)

Centre (51-59)

Communist (50)

NDP (40)

Liberal (51)

Conservative (55)

Green (85)

(please dont critisize me, just add your two cents )

[tml12]

EDITED BECAUSE I CAN'T POSITION AS I WANT IT:

So if -100 is 100% Left-Wing and +100 is 100% Right-Wing:

Communist: -75

NDP: -45

Liberal: +15

Green: +20

Conservative: +30

[geoffrey]

Using tml's system

Communist -90

NDP -75

Green -45 (lets be realistic, with Harris gone, that party is back to the hippies)

Liberal -20

CPC -10

CHP 0

Libertarian Party +5

There aren't any real right wing choices in Canada.

Looking at your definitons tml, you've got the Conservatives closer to a Mussolini fascist than the NDP to the Soviets.

[tml12]

Using tml's system

Communist -90

NDP -75

Green -45 (lets be realistic, with Harris gone, that party is back to the hippies)

Liberal -20

CPC -10

CHP 0

Libertarian Party +5

There aren't any real right wing choices in Canada.

Looking at your definitons tml, you've got the Conservatives closer to a Mussolini fascist than the NDP to the Soviets.

Geoffrey,

1) I didn't know Harris was gone, so forget the party's PC roots...

2) The CPC is right-wing, not very right-wing, but centre-right...the way (I think...IMHO) it should be.

3) Since there is no "top" or "bottom" per the new definition of the political compass, it is very hard to include libertarians in here.

[geoffrey]

Using tml's system

Communist -90

NDP -75

Green -45 (lets be realistic, with Harris gone, that party is back to the hippies)

Liberal -20

CPC -10

CHP 0

Libertarian Party +5

There aren't any real right wing choices in Canada.

Looking at your definitons tml, you've got the Conservatives closer to a Mussolini fascist than the NDP to the Soviets.

Geoffrey,

1) I didn't know Harris was gone, so forget the party's PC roots...

2) The CPC is right-wing, not very right-wing, but centre-right...the way (I think...IMHO) it should be.

3) Since there is no "top" or "bottom" per the new definition of the political compass, it is very hard to include libertarians in here.

In rebuttal to your arguments:

1) Any party that supports government child care of any sort is left wing.

2) They are centre-left IMO

3) Agreed

If anything the CPC is more fiscally liberal than the old PC's of Mulroney. Look at what Mulroney offered, and look at what Harper offers, Harper would have been fine running as NDP in a 1980's election. They are only viewed as socially conservative because everyone else has gone extremely liberal. In fact, they would be liberals socially if looked at in a 1980's perspective or on the world stage.

[lost&outofcontrol]

Using tml's system

Communist -90

NDP -75

Green -45 (lets be realistic, with Harris gone, that party is back to the hippies)

Liberal -20

CPC -10

CHP 0

Libertarian Party +5

There aren't any real right wing choices in Canada.

Looking at your definitons tml, you've got the Conservatives closer to a Mussolini fascist than the NDP to the Soviets.

Wow dude, there isn't anything more right (economically speaking) than a Libertarian.

The should be two scales, one social and one economic.

Political spectrum

Found this neat quiz ealier; a bit long but fun.

[tml12]

Using tml's system

Communist -90

NDP -75

Green -45 (lets be realistic, with Harris gone, that party is back to the hippies)

Liberal -20

CPC -10

CHP 0

Libertarian Party +5

There aren't any real right wing choices in Canada.

Looking at your definitons tml, you've got the Conservatives closer to a Mussolini fascist than the NDP to the Soviets.

Wow dude, there isn't anything more right than a Libertarian.

Political spectrum

Found this neat quiz ealier; a bit long but fun.

But libertarians are left on social issues...

Dude the political compass includes left, right, top, bottom...libertarians represent the bottom of this spectrum...

[tml12]

Geoffrey,

You know I think you are "THE MAN."

But I think the Libs are centre-right and that the CPC is just a little more right-wing because they support the freedom of the individual more.

This is not a bad thing...just in my humble opinion...

[geoffrey]

The Geoff Result from the Quiz:

Economic Left/Right: 3.75

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.79

According to the other examples, I'm about on par with the British Conservatives.

[geoffrey]

Geoffrey,

You know I think you are "THE MAN."

But I think the Libs are centre-right and that the CPC is just a little more right-wing because they support the freedom of the individual more.

This is not a bad thing...just in my humble opinion...

True. The CPC is more induvidualistic than the Liberals. But thats all they got going for them in the struggle to the right.

I would still assert that the CPC is more centrist than the PC's were in their hayday.

[lost&outofcontrol]

But libertarians are left on social issues...

Dude the political compass includes left, right, top, bottom...libertarians represent the bottom of this spectrum...

Ya I meant right on economic issues. sorry

Social Libertarian

**edit**

another quiz

[tml12]

Geoffrey,

You know I think you are "THE MAN."

But I think the Libs are centre-right and that the CPC is just a little more right-wing because they support the freedom of the individual more.

This is not a bad thing...just in my humble opinion...

True. The CPC is more induvidualistic than the Liberals. But thats all they got going for them in the struggle to the right.

I would still assert that the CPC is more centrist than the PC's were in their hayday.

Maybe...but it is time we stopped thinking that right of centre was a bad thing...

[tml12]

But libertarians are left on social issues...

Dude the political compass includes left, right, top, bottom...libertarians represent the bottom of this spectrum...

Ya I meant right on economic issues. sorry

I'm a Social Libertarian

it's cool...

is there a test on that website???

[lost&outofcontrol]

it's cool...

is there a test on that website???

Right here

[cybercoma]

Quiz Result:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 3.63

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74

August posted this quiz in another thread somewhere, I don't feel like digging it up. According to the graphs, I'm right on par with no one.

I'm looking for members for my political party, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Bring some name suggestions to the table.

[geoffrey]

Quiz Result:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 3.63

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74

August posted this quiz in another thread somewhere, I don't feel like digging it up. According to the graphs, I'm right on par with no one.

I'm looking for members for my political party, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Bring some name suggestions to the table.

The Liberals?

[tml12]

Quiz Result:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 3.63

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74

August posted this quiz in another thread somewhere, I don't feel like digging it up. According to the graphs, I'm right on par with no one.

I'm looking for members for my political party, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Bring some name suggestions to the table.

The Liberals?

Moderate/Centrist Libertarian???

[cybercoma]

The Liberals aren't fiscally conservative enough and they don't defend our interests around the world.

[Hydraboss]

Dammit, I just took the stupid thing and....

Economic 3.50

Social 1.90

I hate to ask, but is that not almost exactly where Paul Martin is?

Oh, woe is me.

[tml12]

Dammit, I just took the stupid thing and....

Economic 3.50

Social 1.90

I hate to ask, but is that not almost exactly where Paul Martin is?

Oh, woe is me.

Finance Minister Martin? Centre-right.

PM Martin w/NDP support? Centre-left...a bit more left-wing.

[Spike22]

That is what is wrong we try to hard not to hurt anyones feelings in this country and remain wishy washy middle of the road, pablum puking, tree hugging, gay loving, granola crunching mamby pamby momma's boys.

[Michael Hardner]

That is what is wrong we try to hard not to hurt anyones feelings in this country and remain wishy washy middle of the road, pablum puking, tree hugging, gay loving, granola crunching mamby pamby momma's boys.

In that case, I guess you won't mind it if we collectively point out that you're a fourth rate court jester, who's about as funny as Family Circus. The comedy forum is the other way. The adults here have some things they want to talk about so go play with your safety scissors and felt remnants.

I like what Geoffrey wrote here:

Any party that supports government child care of any sort is left wing.

Because it provides an ABSOLUTE measure of right versus left, irrespective of time.

Fiscally, what WAS right wing in the 1950s would today be very left wing and what WAS left wing in the 1920s would be right wing today. Maybe we can define some kind of center, fiscally ? Now that I've said that, it seems like a daunting task.

And I think it's a mistake to add social issues. These seem to constantly change as time goes on, becoming more progressive on a continuum.

[apollo19]

Quiz Result:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 3.63

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74

August posted this quiz in another thread somewhere, I don't feel like digging it up. According to the graphs, I'm right on par with no one.

I'm looking for members for my political party, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Bring some name suggestions to the table.

The Liberals?

Moderate/Centrist Libertarian???

I think the "Libertarian" word scares a few people off, partly because people envision it as a place without any government, or at best very minimal amounts. Basically, the "no govt except for solving law problems" ideas which the current libertarian party espouses. I agree though that there isn't really a fiscally conservative/socially liberal party on the Federal scene yet, and most people know the Liberals are looking to move to the left (with daycare, etc).

[tml12]

Quiz Result:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 3.63

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74

August posted this quiz in another thread somewhere, I don't feel like digging it up. According to the graphs, I'm right on par with no one.

I'm looking for members for my political party, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Bring some name suggestions to the table.

The Liberals?

Moderate/Centrist Libertarian???

I think the "Libertarian" word scares a few people off, partly because people envision it as a place without any government, or at best very minimal amounts. Basically, the "no govt except for solving law problems" ideas which the current libertarian party espouses. I agree though that there isn't really a fiscally conservative/socially liberal party on the Federal scene yet, and most people know the Liberals are looking to move to the left (with daycare, etc).

But individuals who think like that do not take into consideration that libertarians are very moderate in their thinking. Anarchists believe in no government...I would argue most libertarians argue that government needs to be lessened, not eliminated.

[Spike22]

That is what is wrong we try to hard not to hurt anyones feelings in this country and remain wishy washy middle of the road, pablum puking, tree hugging, gay loving, granola crunching mamby pamby momma's boys.

In that case, I guess you won't mind it if we collectively point out that you're a fourth rate court jester, who's about as funny as Family Circus. The comedy forum is the other way. The adults here have some things they want to talk about so go play with your safety scissors and felt remnants.

Adults I don't think so. Hardner you must first remove the cardboard out of your behind to understand anything amusing in the least - collectively you are all fighting over nonesensical items that you or anyone else besides discussing here can do anything about bwaa ha ha ha. Maybe if you spent your time doing something with us in the government you could change things but reality is you will be behind your personal confuser discussing instead of doing...have a fantastic valentine's day.