HARPER CHOICES APPALLING

[STEFROCKS]

I cannot believe you so called conservative supporters are justifying Stephen Harpers actions on what he did with Emerson and Fortier, he talks about ethics, where are they in any of the three, how much of an out cry was there from the conservatives about Belinda Stronach, especially from Harper, at least she was an MP for over a year before she crossed and that wwas because she cited her disgust with her party to topple the government over it's budget and her other values, and she did not like Stephen Harper... yet some of you self-righteous conservative supporters are saying it is ok because Vancouver and Montreal have a voice in government, that is complete bullshit....

David Emerson has made the Belinda Stronach defection appear one of honourable principle...she served in oppostion for a year and could of been jobless in 48 hours if she would of voted with her party, Emerson was facing no such risk. Harper insists that such capitulation to political expediency was required to ensure two Conservative metropolitan dead zones had Cabinet representation. BullShit. James Moore, one of his so called brightest MP's represents a riding lining the northeastern edge of Vancouver... besides if a civic shutout justifies shopping for a turncoat, what about Edmonton? It lacks a minister to call our own and we have to settle for Rona Ambrose, who is from Spruce Grove, which is 10 miles away from Edmonton, why did he not put James Rajotte in there who is from Edmonton?

As for Michael Fortier, it is even more explicable given Harpers views on electing the Senate. Fortier will not be held accountable to the Opposition since Harper convieniently appointed him as a Senator, and he won't be held accountable like the other senior ministers, is that ethical and acceptable? While Tory shut out Toronto has its Cabinet representative from Oshawa, an hour away from Toronto, he feels compelled to give Montreal an unaccountable senior minister despite having Transport Minister Lawrence Cannon in a riding also an hour's drive away.

Vic Toews was as Justice Minister, what a laugh, he was convicted last year for violating Manitoba election laws, it may have been a minor offence and possibly a misunderstanding but if it happened federally the would have been barred from Cabinet, but it was just a provincial violation so that makes it ok, right?

Gordon O'Conner as Defence Minister, another what a laugh, a defence lobbyist, yeah he has not ties to military contractors, right? I am sure there are juicy contracts just waiting to be fulfilled with him.

Maybe all you conservative lovers, should look in the dictionary to see what ETHICAL means... Oh I will do it for you, it comes from the Greek word ETHOS which means CHARACTER and means having to do with conforming to moral or professional standards... is Harper ETHICAL in his choices? At least the Liberals never did what he did, and woo some MP from Calgary to fill their city with an MP in government after their elections where they did not get one seat, I think that is pretty ethical of the liberals to do that, at least they never appointed an UNELECTED person to the position of public works and then appoint them to the senate where he is not accountable to anyone but the prime minister in question period and can do whatever he wants and spend whatever he wants and not be accountable to the people. But I guess in all you conservatives eyes that it is ETHICAL.

HYPOCRITES.... I bet if Paul Martin did this, you all would be calling for his head and so would the conservatives or the other parties, cause you know ALL LIBERALS ARE THIEVES AND CROOKS AND LIARS AND ALL ARE UNETHICAL right? And for the person that posted that Emerson sought out the conservatives, get your facts straight, Harper, James Rajotte, and John Reynolds sought him out after election night, and he did not make his decision until this weekend.

But you all go on justifying his choices and actions as what he did was right in your own little minds.

[Hicksey]

You can people that try to justify Harper's choices whatever you want.

I am disappointed with his choices.

ESPECIALLY his solicitation of Emerson. After Stronach, the last thing I wanted to see from Harper was another whore and a recycled Liberal in his cabinet. We dumped the Liberals because they were the part of the problem, not the solution.

[shoop]

Sorry to let facts get in the way of your little diatribe.

Ambrose's riding is Edmonton-Spruce Grove which includes the western party of Edmonton *AND* Sherwood Park.

James Rajotte's riding is Edmonton-Leduc which is the same rural/urban mix as Ambrose's.

At least find something honest to vent your anger over...

MP's represents a riding lining the northeastern edge of Vancouver... besides if a civic shutout justifies shopping for a turncoat, what about Edmonton? It lacks a minister to call our own and we have to settle for Rona Ambrose, who is from Spruce Grove, which is 10 miles away from Edmonton, why did he not put James Rajotte in there who is from Edmonton?

[wellandboy]

Moral indignation from a proud Liberal???

[shoop]

The anger is amazing. The term "natural governing party" isn't legally binding. From the anger she exhibits you would think it is!

Moral indignation from a proud Liberal???

[fellowtraveller]

you know ALL LIBERALS ARE THIEVES AND CROOKS AND LIARS AND ALL ARE UNETHICAL

Yes, and thank you for reminding us.

[uOttawaMan]

you know ALL LIBERALS ARE THIEVES AND CROOKS AND LIARS AND ALL ARE UNETHICAL

Yes, and thank you for reminding us.

TALKING IN CAPS MAKES MY SENTENCE MORE IMPRESSIVE AND CREDIBLE!!

O wait.. no it doesnt.

[Hicksey]

you know ALL LIBERALS ARE THIEVES AND CROOKS AND LIARS AND ALL ARE UNETHICAL

No, I don't even think that. But I find it curious that some think they can carry that bag of crap around with them and not expect the stink associated with it to follow them around.

[shoop]

Stef is just a little nutty. Nothing to really worry about, I guess.

Definitely angry about *something*. It can't all be about the outcome of this election ... can it?

TALKING IN CAPS MAKES MY SENTENCE MORE IMPRESSIVE AND CREDIBLE!!

O wait.. no it doesnt.

[Madman]

The conservatives had the luxury of being idealistic because of their opposition status. All their policy propositions were theoretical. Talk is cheap. Once you get into power, it doesn't take long to realize you'll have to face the music and balance that ideology with practicality.

What bugs me even more than the strategies of the new government, is the naivety of some who think the PM is gonna prove to be a hero for their ideals. Harper is Prime Minister of the nation now, the heat is on, and he'll do what he thinks he must to make it work. He knew he was gonna piss people off with this, but he did it anyway for what he thinks is the greater good. It's easy for the rest of us to criticize; we don't have to govern.

Now for some venting:

Vic Toews for Justice Minister? Canadian John Ashcroft on our hands?

Emmerson is a... what's the agreed upon term? Political whore.

And Fortier can suck it.

BUT. I'm so glad Jason Kenny didn't make the cut, so glad... it almost makes up for it all.

[Spike22]

His choices are fantastic, what creativity what resourcefulness. I think the Liberals could learn a thing or two here. Well done Steve-O.

Hmm is just me or are the optics of two of his choices a little questionable?

[STEFROCKS]

Sorry to let facts get in the way of your little diatribe.

Ambrose's riding is Edmonton-Spruce Grove which includes the western party of Edmonton *AND* Sherwood Park.

James Rajotte's riding is Edmonton-Leduc which is the same rural/urban mix as Ambrose's.

At least find something honest to vent your anger over...

MP's represents a riding lining the northeastern edge of Vancouver... besides if a civic shutout justifies shopping for a turncoat, what about Edmonton? It lacks a minister to call our own and we have to settle for Rona Ambrose, who is from Spruce Grove, which is 10 miles away from Edmonton, why did he not put James Rajotte in there who is from Edmonton?

hey idiot, I am from edmonton, and sherwood park is on the east side of Edmonton you moron, and maybe you should check your geography. and Rajotte is from edmonton he just ran in leduc, whereas amdrose is from spruce grove, you idiot

[kimmy]

hey idiot, I am from edmonton, and sherwood park is on the east side of Edmonton you moron, and maybe you should check your geography. and Rajotte is from edmonton he just ran in leduc, whereas amdrose is from spruce grove, you idiot

First off, you're not doing much to make yourself look smart by calling people idiots.

Secondly, the ridings are named "Edmonton-Spruce Grove" and "Edmonton-Leduc". (Mike Lake's riding is Edmonton-Beaumont, as well.) All 3 ridings take a chunk of Edmonton and combine it with areas outside the city.

Edmonton-Spruce Grove contains a big chunk of the western side of Edmonton that includes West Edmonton Mall. If you don't agree, why don't you check the riding map. Idiot.

http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/candidatesri...alberta/257.pdf

-k

[STEFROCKS]

Stef is just a little nutty. Nothing to really worry about, I guess.

Definitely angry about *something*. It can't all be about the outcome of this election ... can it?

TALKING IN CAPS MAKES MY SENTENCE MORE IMPRESSIVE AND CREDIBLE!!

O wait.. no it doesnt.

for one thing idiot, I am a guy not a girl and for another, you did not even refute any of this, which shows me that you do not care do you, and to lump all liberals as liars and thieves and unethical is insulting, cause all of us are not, is that what you are calling me shoop or whatever your name is and all you other right wing neo cons, do you justify what he did, probably, no deputy prime minister either, who takes over for Harper when he is gone? tell me that... you guys do not like to see your party bashed but you sure do like to bash others and other parties that do not agree with you right wing opinions, Stephen Harper has already shot himself in the foot with what he did, soon it will be his head... so all you conservative supporters can take all your sarcastic comments and shove them you know where, cause you know what, you do not think for yourselves, you are all sheep following the great neo con propaganda machine, and you know what, Stephen Harper is not the savior you all think he is... so enjoy your year and a half in power... this shows me by you all supporting what he did, that you have not ethics either and are a bunch of hypocrites, and as I said to start this thread off, if Paul Martin did this, you would all be calling for his head, especially Stephen Harper.

[STEFROCKS]

hey idiot, I am from edmonton, and sherwood park is on the east side of Edmonton you moron, and maybe you should check your geography. and Rajotte is from edmonton he just ran in leduc, whereas amdrose is from spruce grove, you idiot

First off, you're not doing much to make yourself look smart by calling people idiots.

Secondly, the ridings are named "Edmonton-Spruce Grove" and "Edmonton-Leduc". (Mike Lake's riding is Edmonton-Beaumont, as well.) All 3 ridings take a chunk of Edmonton and combine it with areas outside the city.

Edmonton-Spruce Grove contains a big chunk of the western side of Edmonton that includes West Edmonton Mall. If you don't agree, why don't you check the riding map. Idiot.

http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/candidatesri...alberta/257.pdf

-k

Hey kimmy maybe you should read what I said, Rajotte is FROM Edmonton, Rona Ambrose is from Spruce Grove meaning she lives there... and two, I am not trying to make myself look smart, I am smart, besides I do not debate with rednecks from calgary (if that is where you are from, my apologies if you are not) that cannot see past conservative blue (excuse me, red white and blue now, sort of like the american flag) and thinks all other parties can't do anything right cause they have been brainwashed by 30 plus years of conservative rule in this province... not all the people here are conservatives, get that straight, and maybe, just maybe if you can get your heads out of the sand, and maybe instead of voting for whoever is running for the conservatives maybe you should think who, out of all the parties are the best qualified and best candidate, but that would be too easy wouldn't it, cause it would go against your right wing beliefs, best candidate has nothing to do with it right, just vote conservative, and if the best candidate was a conservative in the vancouver riding that emerson was in, I am sure he would of gotten in, but they voted for the best candidate who was a liberal in david emerson, now a turncoat for a cabinet position, he better enjoy it, because he will get booted next election.

[kimmy]

Hey kimmy maybe you should read what I said, Rajotte is FROM Edmonton, Rona Ambrose is from Spruce Grove meaning she lives there...

Who cares where she's from? She was elected by Edmonton voters.

and two I am not trying to make myself look smart, I am smart,

Yeah, I can tell...

besides I do not debate with rednecks from calgary if that is where you are from, my apologies if you are not.

And if your opinion of somebody is decided by their address and not their ideas, then I don't really care to waste another moment with you, either.

-k

[sage]

Stef is just a little nutty. Nothing to really worry about, I guess.

Definitely angry about *something*. It can't all be about the outcome of this election ... can it?

TALKING IN CAPS MAKES MY SENTENCE MORE IMPRESSIVE AND CREDIBLE!!

O wait.. no it doesnt.

for one thing idiot, I am a guy not a girl and for another, you did not even refute any of this, which shows me that you do not care do you, and to lump all liberals as liars and thieves and unethical is insulting, cause all of us are not, is that what you are calling me shoop or whatever your name is and all you other right wing neo cons, do you justify what he did, probably, no deputy prime minister either, who takes over for Harper when he is gone? tell me that... you guys do not like to see your party bashed but you sure do like to bash others and other parties that do agree with you right wing opinions, Stephen Harper has already shot himself in the foot with what he did, soon it will be his head... so all you conservative supporters can take all your sarcastic comments and shove them you know where, cause you know what, you do not think for yourselves, you are all sheep following the great neo con propaganda machine, and you know what, Stephen Harper is not the savior you all think he is... so enjoy your year and a half in power... this shows me by you all supporting what he did, that you have not ethics either and are a bunch of hypocrites, and as I said to start this thread off, if Paul Martin did this, you would all be calling for his head, especially Stephen Harper.

Easy Stef, if you would bother to read the other thread on the subject you will find that the vast majority of Tory supporters were disheartened by the 2 appointments of Fortier and Emerson, for the very reasons you are irate.

The ironic thing in all this though is that your party sets the standard against which all cronyism is measured so I'm not sure I would jump on your soapbox quite yet.

As for the position of deputy prime minister, why don't you please explain to all of us rural folks just what the importance of this position is. I mean it must have some constitutional recognition of some sort if it is so important. No? Oh yeah that's right, its the perfect example of bullshit appointments and an exaggerated government that the Liberal Party embodies.

From the Library of Parliament website:

"The designation, Deputy Prime Minister, is strictly an honorary title conferred at the discretion of the Prime Minister on a member of the Cabinet. It has no standing in law, and does not carry any formal duties or tasks, though the Prime Minister may negotiate or assign specific tasks in conjunction with the title.

The title originates with Prime Minister Trudeau who first coined it when he designated the Hon. Allan J. MacEachen Deputy Prime Minister as well as Government House leader in an interview with the press subsequent to the nomination of his Cabinet, September 16th, 1977. Since then there has been only the Rt. Hon. Joe Clark who has never named a Deputy Prime Minister."

You'll to forgive us then if we then take your rant with a grain of salt.

[sage]

On another point Stef, again if the position of deputy prime minister has any consequence whatsoever I am sure Anne McLelland was consulted a great deal by Mr. PMPM.

Oh yes, that's right too, she wasn't. In fact your dickhead leader proposed a constitutional amendment that he didn't know how to implement without even a phone call to a former professor of law, deputy prime minister Anne McLelland.

Wow, that deputy prime minister thing must be important. Almost as important as tits on a bull.

[Spike22]

Tits on a bull? I thought they only had one.

[shoop]

Stef, you keep on arguing about the significance of Ambrose living a ten minute drive out of the city, while still living in the boundaries of her riding .... that's an important one!

So it is inulting to lump all liberals together and call them all nasty names ... but anybody whos supports the CPC is *automatically* a right-wing neo-con?

With logic like that I guess I am relatively happy you consider me to be an *idiot*. And they say the Liberals are bereft of new ideas! STEFROCKS for leader!!!

to lump all liberals as liars and thieves and unethical is insulting, cause all of us are not, is that what you are calling me shoop or whatever your name is and all you other right wing neo cons, do you justify what he did, probably,

[geoffrey]

So it is inulting to lump all liberals together and call them all nasty names ... but anybody whos supports the CPC is *automatically* a right-wing neo-con?

to lump all liberals as liars and thieves and unethical is insulting, cause all of us are not, is that what you are calling me shoop or whatever your name is and all you other right wing neo cons, do you justify what he did, probably,

Do you know what a neo-con is Stef? Like the actual definition... you should check it out before you make yourself look stupid.

Generally, grassroots reformer types are more commonly attributed the term 'neo-liberal'

There are very few to the point I'd say almost no neo-cons in the Canadian Conservative party. Stop playing the US democrat phrase of the day (which is accurate when looking at the Republican leadership) and look up definitions before you use them please.