Evangelical Harper

[na85]

Let's keep in mind that I'm actually not a wife beater, k?

na85

Don't you find it interesting that you put forward a hypothetical scenario (a question someone on the anti-abortion side should certainly consider) which elicited no thoughtful; responses, only macho posturing. It's amost as if they don't want to answer...

I expected no less than angry retorts. The same people who hate killing babies would kill me. Interesting how morality works.

Freaks that knock up girls for fun would be close to the top of my list for capital punishment... maybe it wouldn't result in death, just a real good ass kicking. A good ol' fashion castration of the sexual predator might be in order.

I'd help the daughter raise the child and encourage her not to have an abortion.

Not all rape victims have the luxury of a good father.

na85

Don't you find it interesting that you put forward a hypothetical scenario (a question someone on the anti-abortion side should certainly consider) which elicited no thoughtful; responses, only macho posturing. It's amost as if they don't want to answer...

I expected no less than angry retorts. The same people who hate killing babies would kill me. Interesting how morality works.

Does that mean you do think it is killing babies or was that a Freudian slip?

To be honest, I was just quoting them. As for whether or not it's killing babies... tough call. You're killing cells, that's obvious. Either way, I still believe abortion to be a necessary addition to the repertoire of medicare.

[Hicksey]

I am pro-abortion through the first month with severe restrictions afterwards.

Limiting it to the first month is a quite unreasonable. Many teens with irregular periods would not realize they were pregnant for up to three months.

I can live with abortion in the first 16 weeks, though you would never catch me endorsing it.

I think that it is also acceptable in rape/incest situations where the woman never gave consent. We can't expect her to pay for actions she made no decision to portake in. And obviously when medically necessary, of course. If there comes a point where life of the mother comes into question, we need to save the mother without a doubt.

All other abortion IMO is wrong and should not be allowed.

[na85]

I could live with that.

[geoffrey]

Me too.

[Kincora]

If that were the case, ( abortions allowed on a situational basis--rape, incest))would there not just be a skyrocketing rape rate throughout Canada...?

[geoffrey]

If that were the case, ( abortions allowed on a situational basis--rape, incest))would there not just be a skyrocketing rape rate throughout Canada...?

Thats a very good point as well, hmm, trouble indeed.

[Riverwind]

If that were the case, ( abortions allowed on a situational basis--rape, incest))would there not just be a skyrocketing rape rate throughout Canada...?

Thats a very good point as well, hmm, trouble indeed.

The supreme court struck down the original abortion law that required a woman to 'justify' her abortion as violation of her rights. If it is ok to abort a child because of rape then it should be ok to abort for any reason at all (after all anyone who accepts abortion in the case of rape or incest is more or less admiting that a fetus is not really human an deserving of absolute protections).

I am curious how many women ever have a second or thrid abortion. I believe it is a very small percentage which tells me that 'irresponsible behavoir' argument is not very compelling. If abortions were simply a result of irresponsible behavoir I would expect to see a large number of women seeking multiple abortions.

[na85]

I never said I agreed with limited abortions, I just said I could live with it.

However, I don't think that the rape rate would skyrocket if abortions were made legal. It wouldn't make rape any less illegal, nor would it reduce the punishments that accompany a rape conviction.

[tml12]

I never said I agreed with limited abortions, I just said I could live with it.

However, I don't think that the rape rate would skyrocket if abortions were made legal. It wouldn't make rape any less legal, nor would it reduce the punishments that accompany a rape conviction.

I think you mean illegal...and yes I agree with that.

[Hicksey]

I never said I agreed with limited abortions, I just said I could live with it.

However, I don't think that the rape rate would skyrocket if abortions were made legal. It wouldn't make rape any less legal, nor would it reduce the punishments that accompany a rape conviction.

I think you mean illegal...and yes I agree with that.

I think you both missed the point.

I think the original poster meant that in order get abortions anyway women would claim rape.

[Black Dog]

The supreme court struck down the original abortion law that required a woman to 'justify' her abortion as violation of her rights. If it is ok to abort a child because of rape then it should be ok to abort for any reason at all (after all anyone who accepts abortion in the case of rape or incest is more or less admiting that a fetus is not really human an deserving of absolute protections).

That's an excellent point, 'hawk. If abortion is murder, it's murder regardless of the means of conception.

I am curious how many women ever have a second or thrid abortion. I believe it is a very small percentage which tells me that 'irresponsible behavoir' argument is not very compelling. If abortions were simply a result of irresponsible behavoir I would expect to see a large number of women seeking multiple abortions.

I don't care if a woman gets one, two or 45 abortions. I'm not interested in regulating other people's reproductive choices.

[na85]

I never said I agreed with limited abortions, I just said I could live with it.

However, I don't think that the rape rate would skyrocket if abortions were made legal. It wouldn't make rape any less legal, nor would it reduce the punishments that accompany a rape conviction.

I think you mean illegal...and yes I agree with that.

Yeah that was a typo on my part

[Wilber]

I never said I agreed with limited abortions, I just said I could live with it.

However, I don't think that the rape rate would skyrocket if abortions were made legal. It wouldn't make rape any less legal, nor would it reduce the punishments that accompany a rape conviction.

I think you mean illegal...and yes I agree with that.

I think you both missed the point.

I think the original poster meant that in order get abortions anyway women would claim rape.

In that case, wouldn't she also have to press charges against an individual and lie under oath in court?

[na85]

Lots of people lie under oath. Murderers, thieves, Clinton, etc.

The problem is that since polygraphs are not accurate enough and there is a general bias in favor of a woman claiming abuse over the man, even if the woman lied about being raped she still might get away with it.

[Wilber]

Lots of people lie under oath. Murderers, thieves, Clinton, etc.

The problem is that since polygraphs are not accurate enough and there is a general bias in favor of a woman claiming abuse over the man, even if the woman lied about being raped she still might get away with it.

A woman would knowingly have to falsely accuse someone of a crime and possibly see them wind up with a criminal record and go to jail. I don't doubt someone would try it but I don't think there are many people who would go that far. Certainly not an epidemic. It would sure up the incentive to use proper birth control in the first place.

[tml12]

Lots of people lie under oath. Murderers, thieves, Clinton, etc.

The problem is that since polygraphs are not accurate enough and there is a general bias in favor of a woman claiming abuse over the man, even if the woman lied about being raped she still might get away with it.

A woman would knowingly have to falsely accuse someone of a crime and possibly see them wind up with a criminal record and go to jail. I don't doubt someone would try it but I don't think there are many people who would go that far. Certainly not an epidemic. It would sure up the incentive to use proper birth control in the first place.

Fatal-attractionesque cases do happen but yes they are rare.

[Spike22]

For all the bible-thumpers out there, would you still be anti-abortion if I slipped your high-school daughter a roofie and did the nasty? What if she got pregnant? Dropping out of school would pretty much ruin her life.

Yes and SHE ruined her own life. It is time people take responsibility for their actions. Like the theme to the TV show Barretta said "don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

[na85]

For all the bible-thumpers out there, would you still be anti-abortion if I slipped your high-school daughter a roofie and did the nasty? What if she got pregnant? Dropping out of school would pretty much ruin her life.

Yes and SHE ruined her own life. It is time people take responsibility for their actions. Like the theme to the TV show Barretta said "don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

Wait... let me get this straight. If a young woman gets slipped a roofie, raped, and gets pregnant, it's HER fault? Let me guess, she was probably 'asking for it' by dressing provocatively and acting out of place for a proper young lady, right?

She didn't commit any crime, she didn't do anything other than attend a social function.

People like you are what's wrong with society.

[geoffrey]

For all the bible-thumpers out there, would you still be anti-abortion if I slipped your high-school daughter a roofie and did the nasty? What if she got pregnant? Dropping out of school would pretty much ruin her life.

Yes and SHE ruined her own life. It is time people take responsibility for their actions. Like the theme to the TV show Barretta said "don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

Wait... let me get this straight. If a young woman gets slipped a roofie, raped, and gets pregnant, it's HER fault? Let me guess, she was probably 'asking for it' by dressing provocatively and acting out of place for a proper young lady, right?

She didn't commit any crime, she didn't do anything other than attend a social function.

People like you are what's wrong with society.

Agreed. What the hell?