New Quebec party

[Leafless]

A new left-wing party has sprung up in Quebec called Quebec Solidaire which will compete against Parti Quebecois.

The big diference is it won't dwell on separatism but social justice.

This sounds like a familiar theme in Quebec.

http://www.ctv.ca/ArticleNews/story/CTVNew...0204?hub=Canada

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[August1991]

A new left-wing party has sprung up in Quebec called Quebec Solidaire which will compete against Parti Quebecois.

The "new" party has been around for several years, if not decades. They form and reform, change and rechange their name.

Like bad managers, they measure their success by the number of meetings they hold.

[Leafless]

August1991

You wrote- " The "new party" has been around for years, if not decades."

According to the article this new party is a merger of two left wing groups in the province-- L'union Des Forces Progressives and Option Citoyenne.

The two groups say they will provide the true leftist voice in Quebec politics.

Thanks for the informed reply.

[tml12]

August1991

You wrote- " The "new party" has been around for years, if not decades."

According to the article this new party is a merger of two left wing groups in the province-- L'union Des Forces Progressives and Option Citoyenne.

The two groups say they will provide the true leftist voice in Quebec politics.

Thanks for the informed reply.

The two parties have been around for awhile.

They will not gain any seats in the next election. If anything, they will result in PQ vote splits in several ridings which will produce Liberal or ADQ wins.

[Bakunin]

"Québec solidaire", This is what i hate about political stereotype.

The name was taken in reaction to the "Québec lucide" document. The more i learn about politics, the more it disgust me, all the philosophy, rational arguments, social discussion and etc are gone.

The kind of left represented by this party is exactly like that, it is built on exactly like if we where still in the 60's, just like if nothing hapenned in 45 years and if we didn't learned of our mistakes.

I can't see a constructive political party in "Québec solidaire", the only thing i see is an organisation built on lots of dogmas a bit like the church.

What i like of a party is his ability to get the good things of the left and the good things of the right to bring us a complex and modern government. The good news about it is a dogmatic left party will ironically help those party.

[lost&outofcontrol]

"Québec solidaire", This is what i hate about political stereotype.

The name was taken in reaction to the "Québec lucide" document. The more i learn about politics, the more it disgust me, all the philosophy, rational arguments, social discussion and etc are gone.

The kind of left represented by this party is exactly like that, it is built on exactly like if we where still in the 60's, just like if nothing hapenned in 45 years and if we didn't learned of our mistakes.

I can't see a constructive political party in "Québec solidaire", the only thing i see is an organisation built on lots of dogmas a bit like the church.

What i like of a party is his ability to get the good things of the left and the good things of the right to bring us a complex and modern government. The good news about it is a dogmatic left party will ironically help those party.

Take a look at their plan. A party not trying to gain votes by trying to be everything to every one. A breath of fresh air these days I think.

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lost&outofcontol

You wrote- " Take a look at their plan."

What is the difference between socialism and communism?

Who will be controlling the socialistic agenda the party or Quebecers?

Who will be paying for all these 'public social schemes'' Quebeckers or the ROC?

If neo-liberals =capitilist what does Quebec Solidare=to?

[tml12]

lost&outofcontol

You wrote- " Take a look at their plan."

What is the difference between socialism and communism?

Who will be controlling the socialistic agenda the party or Quebecers?

Who will be paying for all these 'public social schemes'' Quebeckers or the ROC?

If neo-liberals =capitilist what does Quebec Solidare=to?

This party is left-wing, that's all there is to know.

[geoffrey]

This party is left-wing, that's all there is to know.

Actually I say they are pretty close to communist when you read the platform, sounds pretty creepy.

[tml12]

This party is left-wing, that's all there is to know.

Actually I say they are pretty close to communist when you read the platform, sounds pretty creepy.

well they argue that sovereignty is necessary for breaking away from evil conservative canada so there you go...

[Leafless]

tml12

You wrote-" The party is left-wing that's all there is to know."

Coming out anywhere in Canada other than Quebec I would accept that statement.

The 'LEFT' can refer to Socialism, Social Democracy/Social lLiberalism or Radical Left wing is the Marxist Philosphy and Communism.

The term comes originally from the legislative seating arrangement during the French Revolution when Republicans who opposed the Ancien Regime were commonly referred to as Lefties because they sat on the Left Side of successive Legislative Assemblies.

As I said previously I to think their political agenda leans heavily to the left.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see how their social justice game plan unfolds and if it lives up to their description.

[tml12]

tml12

You wrote-" The party is left-wing that's all there is to know."

Coming out anywhere in Canada other than Quebec I would accept that statement.

The 'LEFT' can refer to Socialism, Social Democracy/Social lLiberalism or Radical Left wing is the Marxist Philosphy and Communism.

The term comes originally from the legislative seating arrangement during the French Revolution when Republicans who opposed the Ancien Regime were commonly referred to as Lefties because they sat on the Left Side of successive Legislative Assemblies.

As I said previously I to think their political agenda leans heavily to the left.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see how their social justice game plan unfolds and if it lives up to their description.

They are socialist in nature.

[Atwater516]

As far as new parties go, the only thing new is the name. It doesn't take much to realize that when Communists campaign under the Communist or Marxist Leninist banner, they are lucky to collect a few hundred votes per riding.

I agree with Quebec's chief electoral officer that Quebec Solidaire is not so much a merger of parties as a reorganization of UPF ( Union des Forces Progressistes) under a new name. As for actual organizational, programmatic, ideological components, well even Wikipedia will tell you UPF was formed by a merger of various

Communist and far left tendencies - such as the Communist Party, Gauche Socialiste and remnants of the Quebec NDP under former terrorist leader Paul Rose's leadership.

It doesn't surprise me that NDPers like Judy Rebick enthusiastically endorse QS's program ( minus Quebec sovereignty) for all of Canada, she is embracing the ideologies she championed in her youth and never really abandoned.

If you check internet publications of key ideological components of Quebec Solidaire - such as La Gauche, La Breche, etc., you will find this is the same program advanced for decades, slightly watered down for mass consumption. Once again, the wolf parades around in sheep's clothing. How do you satisfy radical nationalists and radical Islamists under the same tent - well you proclaim for Quebec sovereignty on the one hand and open borders unrestricted immigration on the other. Reread the English language Manifesto again. Curiously, several Bloc MPs have added their signature to this declaration.

[Atwater516]

I am sure Dr. Khadir of Union des Forces Progressistes is a respected physician and a fine human being, in much the same vein as Norman Bethune or Che Guevara were fine repected physicians and humanitarians in their own manner, this did not make them any less Communist agitators and purveyors of interests and ideologies inimical to our own traditions.

One might wonder what might lead those such as Dr. Khadir, and other leading candidates of Quebec Solidaire,

of Islamic origin, such as leading academics from the University of Montreal's Haute Etudes Commerciales - advocating socialist Management theories in the MBA program, to front for and campaign with the remnants of Quebec's far left fringe for the radical social transformation and the breakup of this country, extending from Quebec sovereignty to major expanses in public debt, public services. state ownership and state incursions in the economy, unrestricted open border immigration and the like - in short a Communist program watered down for mass consumption. They have done quite well for themselves in this country - they are not frustrated PHD's driving taxicabs and delivering pizza.

Ironically Quebec Solidaire holds out Scandinavian countries such as Denmark and Sweden as examples of their societal goals - the same countries currently under siege by radical Islamists worldwide. An instructive example, Sweden, under the leadership of bleeding heart liberals and socialists, embracing multiculturalism, playing on fears of declining birthrate and demographic imbalance - threw their doors wide open to unrestricted widescale immigration, embracing foreign languages, cultures, values - and in a generation's time the remnants of what was once Sweden will likely be seeking asylum in St. Petersburg, Russia.

So what's the Quebec angle? The radical left will convince their sovereigntist base that sovereignty and socialism and all good things are possible, if we drown out the votes of those fraidy cat oldtimers not inclined to radical adventures and worried about their pensions and replace them with millions of new votes from the Magreb. A Quebec republic, certainly, but one much different from that envisaged by Levesque and Bouchard.

[tml12]

Atwater516,

"It doesn't surprise me that NDPers like Judy Rebick enthusiastically endorse QS's program ( minus Quebec sovereignty) for all of Canada, she is embracing the ideologies she championed in her youth and never really abandoned."

Agreed.