Why am I forced to pay for this social liberalism agenda?

[tml12]

so you're saying these shows ONLY would exist because of gov't funding???

I am saying those shows exists because gov't fund ensures there is a critical mass of talent in Canada that is willing to work on those kinds of shows. Without that critical mass of talent the chances of producing a successful Canadian show would be next to zero.

so then government needs to put money to produc shows canadians will watch but canadians will watch american TV anyway???

then what's the point???

[shoop]

Would privatizing the CBC necessarily mean that shows like Corner Gas, the Trailer Park Boys, etc. wouldn't get made?

Seems like everything you are advocating could still be accomplished with the CBC as a private enterprise.

I am saying those shows exists because gov't fund ensures there is a critical mass of talent in Canada that is willing to work on those kinds of shows. Without that critical mass of talent the chances of producing a successful Canadian show would be next to zero.

In otherwords, the government provides the garden but does not plant the seeds.

[Canuck E Stan]

CBC-TV takes axe to three of its prime-time series, citing low ratings

Da Vinci's City Hall, The Tournament and This Is Wonderland, three of CBC's critically acclaimed but low-rated series, will not be renewed, a spokeswoman for the public broadcaster confirmed Monday.

"These are three programs that CBC believed in and attached significant resources to," said Ruth-Ellen Soles. "Unfortunately the audiences for all three have been in steady decline and did not resonate with Canadians. These decisions are always difficult but they had to be made."

"It's a shame because they're terrific programs. It just doesn't seem to be what Canadian viewers want to watch," she says.

Once again CBC doesn't get it right about what viewers watch."Significant Resources" gone down the tube.

[Riverwind]

Once again CBC doesn't get it right about what viewers watch."Significant Resources" gone down the tube.

Happens to private networks all of the time.

[Canuck E Stan]

Once again CBC doesn't get it right about what viewers watch."Significant Resources" gone down the tube.

Happens to private networks all of the time.

Done with their "Significant Resources" not the taxpayers.

[shoop]

But the taxpayers don't foot the bill when it does.

Happens to private networks all of the time.

[Montgomery Burns]

Canuck E Stan, the over-the-top liberal Commander in Chief (Geena Davis starring as "Hillary") was also not renewed.

Btw, after seeing these CBC videos, I wonder if anyone still wants to debate the social issue of the state raising your children...

[geoffrey]

Canuck E Stan, the over-the-top liberal Commander in Chief (Geena Davis starring as "Hillary") was also not renewed.

Btw, after seeing these CBC videos, I wonder if anyone still wants to debate the social issue of the state raising your children...

Good call.

[Montgomery Burns]

Canuck E Stan, the over-the-top liberal Commander in Chief (Geena Davis starring as "Hillary") was also not renewed.

Btw, after seeing these CBC videos, I wonder if anyone still wants to debate the social issue of the state raising your children...

Good call.

There was a guy on here recently (he seems to have disappeared) from, I believe, Norway, telling us that it is good for the state to raise your children. He was a reasonable guy but I am always surprised at how Europeans always look to the state to guide them--especially with Europe's 20th century history of totalitarian ideologies like Communism, Nazism, and Fascism.

I can just imagine a young impressionable kid after the CBC got through with them...

Daddy, can I get my balls waxed when I get older?

Daddy, can I get meat hooks put in my back so I can swing from the ceiling? That looks like fun!

Daddy, after watching today's gay marriage video, I gave Timmy a big kiss on the lips. I'm progressive!

Daddy, I learned about the President of the United States today. He's a monkey.

Daddy, can you buy me some spray-paint cans so I can express my inner feelings on private and public property?

[tml12]

Canuck E Stan, the over-the-top liberal Commander in Chief (Geena Davis starring as "Hillary") was also not renewed.

Btw, after seeing these CBC videos, I wonder if anyone still wants to debate the social issue of the state raising your children...

Good call.

There was a guy on here recently (he seems to have disappeared) from, I believe, Norway, telling us that it is good for the state to raise your children. He was a reasonable guy but I am always surprised at how Europeans always look to the state to guide them--especially with Europe's 20th century history of totalitarian ideologies like Communism, Nazism, and Fascism.

I can just imagine a young impressionable kid after the CBC got through with them...

Daddy, can I get my balls waxed when I get older?

Daddy, can I get meat hooks put in my back so I can swing from the ceiling? That looks like fun!

Daddy, after watching today's gay marriage video, I gave Timmy a big kiss on the lips. I'm progressive!

Daddy, I learned about the President of the United States today. He's a monkey.

Daddy, can you buy me some spray-paint cans so I can express my inner feelings on private and public property?

LOL!!! Well put...

[speaker]

This is a response to the fellowtraveller who didn't notice in my previous posts when I mentioned that there is bias in all the shows on the cbc. There is right wing bias and there is left wing bias on the news, business news, commentary, science shows, discussion, educational shows, comedy shows, I haven't noticed any in the weather programs. There is left wing bias in the well... all of the above as well. I am helping to pay for all of that, and I don't mind, because I understand that there is a need for balance and that all reporters are not clones of some kind of super reporter. There isn't much point in this case in getting too specific is there? I could list all the programs on CBC if you like.

I am paying for the importation of drivel from the US because other Canadian networks refuse to spend the money to develop Canadian talent and Canadian culture because it would eat into their corporate profits. I am paying for it every time I buy any thing that is advertised on radio or tv whether I watch those shows or not and I do not. whether I watch those networks or not and I do not.

Let's start a campaign to free up Canadian purses from the money grubbing swine that insist on playing this crap at us.

[Spike22]

Would privatizing the CBC necessarily mean that shows like Corner Gas, the Trailer Park Boys, etc. wouldn't get made?

Seems like everything you are advocating could still be accomplished with the CBC as a private enterprise.

I am saying those shows exists because gov't fund ensures there is a critical mass of talent in Canada that is willing to work on those kinds of shows. Without that critical mass of talent the chances of producing a successful Canadian show would be next to zero.

In otherwords, the government provides the garden but does not plant the seeds.

Privatizing the CBC would not prevent these shows from being produced. In fact CBC turned down the Trailer Park Boys. They keep making (yawn) borning shows that 3 people watch. They might be great shows but the promotion of them is lousy- CBC just cannot do it well.

I think that when taxpayers $ are spent you should give the people what they want not what you think they want. When was the last great original Canadian CBC show produced? They try and copy American style TV

which in the end results in shows that are as dry to watch as a popcorn fart.

For a cool billion I want some entertainment....how about a show about freaks - sorry that is already on Showcase Friday nights.

[margrace]

The state-run taxpayer-funded CBC is at it again,

Oh for heavens sake.

Go here:

http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/program/pro...levision&genre=

See that? "Nerve" is one of hundreds of shows.

And some of what you're complaining about appears to be videos sent in by viewers. What should we do, withold thier tax rebates?

Your outrage is shrill and baseless.

GOD BLESS YOU CBC, WE LOVE YOU!!!

The last bastion of unbiased commercial free radio. Always stand on guard Canada, to rightwingers the lack of rightwing bias = leftwing bias. Don't let the fascists steal the quality from the world!

This is an interesting subject, Have you read the definition of 'Socialism' in the Oxford Dictionary.

You hate Social liberalism.

Socialism a political and ecomomic theory of social organization advocating State ownership and control of natural resources and commercial activies. Policy or practise based on this theory,

So when do we get rid of roads and policman?

[Spike22]

CBC go away come again another day

(without my tax money please)

As for unbiased reporting bla bla bla. It is a liberal, left wing propaganda machine.

[geoffrey]

This is an interesting subject, Have you read the definition of 'Socialism' in the Oxford Dictionary.

You hate Social liberalism.

Socialism a political and ecomomic theory of social organization advocating State ownership and control of natural resources and commercial activies. Policy or practise based on this theory,

So when do we get rid of roads and policman?

Umm, socialism has nothing to do with roads and police.... I don't think anyone would advocate privitisation of those anywhere in the most neo-liberal place in the world.

Having the government pay to raise your children and provide you with your information and stuff like that, now thats socialism. The unweildy beast we've become.

Social liberalism also has very little to do with protectionist, state ownership.

[Riverwind]

Umm, socialism has nothing to do with roads and police.... I don't think anyone would advocate privitisation of those anywhere in the most neo-liberal place in the world.

You should read Hugo's posts.

Having the government pay to raise your children and provide you with your information and stuff like that, now thats socialism. The unweildy beast we've become.

Building roads and hiring police is just another form of collective action. Normally one does not apply the word 'socialist' to those activities but there is little technical difference between hiring policman and soldiers collectively and hiring doctors and teachers collectively.

[fellowtraveller]

This is a response to the fellowtraveller who didn't notice in my previous posts when I mentioned that there is bias in all the shows on the cbc. There is right wing bias and there is left wing bias on the news, business news, commentary, science shows, discussion, educational shows, comedy shows, I haven't noticed any in the weather programs. There is left wing bias in the well... all of the above as well. I am helping to pay for all of that, and I don't mind, because I understand that there is a need for balance and that all reporters are not clones of some kind of super reporter. There isn't much point in this case in getting too specific is there? I could list all the programs on CBC if you like.

I am paying for the importation of drivel from the US because other Canadian networks refuse to spend the money to develop Canadian talent and Canadian culture because it would eat into their corporate profits. I am paying for it every time I buy any thing that is advertised on radio or tv whether I watch those shows or not and I do not. whether I watch those networks or not and I do not.

Let's start a campaign to free up Canadian purses from the money grubbing swine that insist on playing this crap at us.

Nope.

I do mind paying for it, and so do many other Canadians.

I'd like you to explain why you feel that it is a role of government to provide news and entertainment.

Please explain why there is any need for government involvement, never mind this balancing act of bias you also feel is necessary as a corollary?

I don't care about the bias really, I simply don't want to be obliged to pay for your preferred news and entertainment. I still pay big for the CBC even if I do not turn on a TV or radio, or own one. It has nothing to do with the advertising you mention.

You love it, you pay for it. When you do that, you can develop whatever you want in the way of 'Canadian culture'. Do you think you can do any worse than the horrifically expensive and complte crap the CBC is known for?

Let's start a campaign to free up Canadian purses from the money grubbing swine that insist on playing this crap at us. I agree absolutely. Send your signed complaints immediately to those money grubbing swine: the Board of Directors of the CBC. Let's get rid of them.

[Riverwind]

I do mind paying for it, and so do many other Canadians.

We do not require unanimous approval for government programs. All that is required is a significant number of Canadians want the program. I am not a fan of online polls but this one does show that a significant number of Canadians do see the CBC as something important.

I'd like you to explain why you feel that it is a role of government to provide news and entertainment.

The role of the government is to provide services that people want but cannot be provided effectively by the private sector. The CBC provides a forum for Canadian programming that would not exist in a purely commercial environment.

I don't care about the bias really, I simply don't want to be obliged to pay for your preferred news and entertainment. I still pay big for the CBC even if I do not turn on a TV or radio, or own one. It has nothing to do with the advertising you mention.

I pay for many services I have no interest in (funding for various sports including Olympic athletes comes to mind). There would be no govt programs left if we eliminate services based on the premise that each individual taxpayer has a veto over services they don't want.

[margrace]

I do mind paying for it, and so do many other Canadians.

We do not require unanimous approval for government programs. All that is required is a significant number of Canadians want the program. I am not a fan of online polls but this one does show that a significant number of Canadians do see the CBC as something important.

I'd like you to explain why you feel that it is a role of government to provide news and entertainment.

The role of the government is to provide services that people want but cannot be provided effectively by the private sector. The CBC provides a forum for Canadian programming that would not exist in a purely commercial environment.

I don't care about the bias really, I simply don't want to be obliged to pay for your preferred news and entertainment. I still pay big for the CBC even if I do not turn on a TV or radio, or own one. It has nothing to do with the advertising you mention.

I pay for many services I have no interest in (funding for various sports including Olympic athletes comes to mind). There would be no govt programs left if we eliminate services based on the premise that each individual taxpayer has a veto over services they don't want.

Right either we pay for all such services or none, we cannot have certain sections of the population dictating what we should or should not have. I for one am appalled at the cost of maintaing local arenas but I stand by the right of my neighbours to have it to use if they so desire.

[shoop]

All or none is a pretty weak argument.

Leave the cultural merits of the CBC and skating rinks aside. Obesity, both adult and childhood, is a major problem in Canadian society. The costs of maintaining local arenas could be seen as the ounce of prevention worth the pound of cure in this instance. Are there any areas in which the CBC can be seen to save the country further expenses down the road?

Right either we pay for all such services or none, we cannot have certain sections of the population dictating what we should or should not have. I for one am appalled at the cost of maintaing local arenas but I stand by the right of my neighbours to have it to use if they so desire.

[Conservative1]

My two cents worth on the topic of the CBC...

We have private news outlets in Canada (ctv, global, etc)...so what is the point of having a publicly funded CBC? I could maybe understand if no private news outlets could survive for some market reasons, but in reality they can and do, Canadians will get their news without the CBC...right? It just appears to be another case where the government is getting involved in the private sector where it shouldn't be like in ontario with beer/liquor stores.

The cbc in my opinion should be privatized, if the public/viewers demand that it and it's programs stay on the air (ie. watch the shows) advertisers will see this and support the network or at least individual programs on the network.

Basically my whole argument doesn't center around the use of the CBC as a tool for partisan politics, it centers around the validity of the networks existance in an era when private networks deliver the same services. WHY PAY FOR SERVICES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING DELIVERED AT NO COST TO THE PUBLIC?

[margrace]

All or none is a pretty weak argument.

Leave the cultural merits of the CBC and skating rinks aside. Obesity, both adult and childhood, is a major problem in Canadian society. The costs of maintaining local arenas could be seen as the ounce of prevention worth the pound of cure in this instance. Are there any areas in which the CBC can be seen to save the country further expenses down the road?

Right either we pay for all such services or none, we cannot have certain sections of the population dictating what we should or should not have. I for one am appalled at the cost of maintaing local arenas but I stand by the right of my neighbours to have it to use if they so desire.

So it is your right to say what I can have but not my right to say what you can have. That is the basic argument here.

[Riverwind]

Leave the cultural merits of the CBC and skating rinks aside.

What is the montery benefit of maintanting a national system of public libraries, museums and historic parks? For that matter what is the monetery value of the provincial and national park system? What the monetary value of subsidizing places of worship?

You cannot judge every gov't program based on montetary benefit alone. Cultural values are important even if not everyone cares about them.

[shoop]

The cultural benefits of supporting Canadian television production are taken care of *outside* the CBC. There is no problem with subsidies to producing Canadian TV shows. The problem is with the obvious agenda the CBC brings to presenting the news via The National and The Hour, amongst other shows.

What is the montery benefit of maintanting a national system of public libraries, museums and historic parks? For that matter what is the monetery value of the provincial and national park system? What the monetary value of subsidizing places of worship?

You cannot judge every gov't program based on montetary benefit alone. Cultural values are important even if not everyone cares about them.

[Hicksey]

I agree. The government has a good track record of funding good Canadian content that is on many channels--not just CBC. They needn't operate an entire network to achieve this.

The cultural benefits of supporting Canadian television production are taken care of *outside* the CBC. There is no problem with subsidies to producing Canadian TV shows. The problem is with the obvious agenda the CBC brings to presenting the news via The National and The Hour, amongst other shows.

What is the montery benefit of maintanting a national system of public libraries, museums and historic parks? For that matter what is the monetery value of the provincial and national park system? What the monetary value of subsidizing places of worship?

You cannot judge every gov't program based on montetary benefit alone. Cultural values are important even if not everyone cares about them.