Ontario government sues to stop company from "giving patients qui

[YankAbroad]

Wow.

This is unreal.

Here is a company seeking to open clinics that allow people who want rapid care in Canada to get it, and the government is telling people that even if they can afford better, they don't deserve it -- instead, they must suffer ever-longer waiting lines in Canada's crumbling public health care system.

The irony is, the people who want care can just drive down to Buffalo and get it. So they're even undermining a Canadian company.

But the idea that "rapid access to care undermines medicare" is revealing -- it's basically an admission that government monopoly health care doesn't work to fill the needs of Canadians.

More below:

http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health...l_id=1039&rot=3

[tml12]

Wow.

This is unreal.

Here is a company seeking to open clinics that allow people who want rapid care in Canada to get it, and the government is telling people that even if they can afford better, they don't deserve it -- instead, they must suffer ever-longer waiting lines in Canada's crumbling public health care system.

The irony is, the people who want care can just drive down to Buffalo and get it. So they're even undermining a Canadian company.

But the idea that "rapid access to care undermines medicare" is revealing -- it's basically an admission that government monopoly health care doesn't work to fill the needs of Canadians.

More below:

http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health...l_id=1039&rot=3

YankAbroad,

Even the socialist NDP leader in this country got private surgery (he said he didn't it was private but like all gov't hospitals this one had a bar, a sauna, a fancy restaurant, and a pool... )

When the only leader in the country who hasn't used private care is the conservative one, you know it is about time we ended the in-name-only health monopoly)...

[YankAbroad]

I have to say I don't understand the insistence on a "single payer" system.

It doesn't work. It never will.

The UK has a multiple system. If you want only public care through the NHS (government service), that's available -- with all the pitfalls of government health care.

If you want private insurance, that's available too.

Now I know lots and lots of poor and working people in Britain -- guess how many of them are happy with government care and willing to settle for that? Almost none (except the healthy ones who don't need care).

Everyone else has some form of private insurance they buy themselves or their employer provides -- the most popular form charges around £500 per year and will move you to a private hospital if you're on a waiting list for NHS care for more than about three weeks.

My point is, even the "poor and working people" who single-monopoly care is supposed to "help" tend to reject single-monopoly care when given a choice. And the idea that "rapid access to care is a bad thing" is something that only a really ideologically warped bureaucrat could come up with -- let along push forward as a lawsuit to actually deprive Canadians of access to better health services.

[tml12]

I have to say I don't understand the insistence on a "single payer" system.

It doesn't work. It never will.

The UK has a multiple system. If you want only public care through the NHS (government service), that's available -- with all the pitfalls of government health care.

If you want private insurance, that's available too.

Now I know lots and lots of poor and working people in Britain -- guess how many of them are happy with government care and willing to settle for that? Almost none (except the healthy ones who don't need care).

Everyone else has some form of private insurance they buy themselves or their employer provides -- the most popular form charges around £500 per year and will move you to a private hospital if you're on a waiting list for NHS care for more than about three weeks.

My point is, even the "poor and working people" who single-monopoly care is supposed to "help" tend to reject single-monopoly care when given a choice. And the idea that "rapid access to care is a bad thing" is something that only a really ideologically warped bureaucrat could come up with -- let along push forward as a lawsuit to actually deprive Canadians of access to better health services.

I completely agree with that...

[geoffrey]

Health Care is taboo in Canada. Say private care and all the old ladies freak out.

It's worse than yelling fire in a theatre.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that wait times are unconstituational. So now we wait to see how the government changes that. I myself have thought about taking out American health insurance in case I got seriously ill, in which case I'd much rather drive my ass to Montana for care then wait 12 months in Canada.

[YankAbroad]

Well apparently, if you're not willing to wait 12 months, you're a bad man who loves George W. Bush and wants to destroy Canadian values or something like that.

[geoffrey]

Well apparently, if you're not willing to wait 12 months, you're a bad man who loves George W. Bush and wants to destroy Canadian values or something like that.

Yup thats me. George Dubbya is my homeboy.

[YankAbroad]

Apparently he's mine too.

Except when conservatives then assume I must be a liberal. I'm so confuzzzzzzed!

[Spike22]

Free drugs man and as mucgh as you need to keep ya doped up until you pass on, that's the new medical plan. Now does anyone have a red pill to trade for a blue one?

[August1991]

From link above:

George Smitherman says Copeman Healthcare Inc. could break federal and provincial law when it opens three clinics in Ontario this summer. The company plans to charge patients $3,500 to register at the clinics in Toronto, Ottawa and London, and hopes to open eight more across Canada by 2007.

Such private clinics exist in Montreal now. They can exist as long as they don't bill the Quebec state-health insurance system. The recent Supreme Court decision "legalized" this situation pending a provincial solution to waiting lists.

IMV, Canada's Left has thoroughly botched this issue. It's sad. The NDP and Liberals have frightened everyone with terms like "two tier" and "credit card health care" and "for-profit medicine".

In addition, Canada's Right has thoroughly botched the PR on the issue, although Harper has made a decent attempt at fixing this.

For a country like Canada, provincial, universal "state" health insurance combined with private, for-profit, co-op or "whatever works" delivery of medical services is a sensible approach. In the US scheme of things, the provincial ministries of health would become HMOs for anyone (everyone) living in the province. The ministries would not be directly involved in delivery of health services - merely paying out the dough.

Harper has added the smart incentive of requiring the provincial ministries to pay for out-of-province services too, when in-province waiting times are too long. That's like being able to put a knife to the throat of an American HMO.

In Canada, we need a single-payer, multiple-supplier health system. Everyone can be and should be insured.

Provincial governments should concentrate solely on the insurance aspect of health care, and ignore all the problems of hospital construction, health worker wages, clinic networks and so on.

[Boru]

Wow.

This is unreal.

Here is a company seeking to open clinics that allow people who want rapid care in Canada to get it, and the government is telling people that even if they can afford better, they don't deserve it -- instead, they must suffer ever-longer waiting lines in Canada's crumbling public health care system.

The irony is, the people who want care can just drive down to Buffalo and get it. So they're even undermining a Canadian company.

But the idea that "rapid access to care undermines medicare" is revealing -- it's basically an admission that government monopoly health care doesn't work to fill the needs of Canadians.

More below:

http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health...l_id=1039&rot=3

YankAbroad,

Even the socialist NDP leader in this country got private surgery (he said he didn't it was private but like all gov't hospitals this one had a bar, a sauna, a fancy restaurant, and a pool... )

When the only leader in the country who hasn't used private care is the conservative one, you know it is about time we ended the in-name-only health monopoly)...

What's with you and fiction TML? Are you deficient in the ability to stick to the truth? Or are you just a born liar?

The clinic Jack Layton went to was covered by OHIP, thus he had to go thorugh the nrmal public queues, thus undermining your entire argument.

And then you make yourself look that much worse with that blurb about a sauna, etc...

Not only do you omit the facts, but you twist the lies you throw out even further. Read what you post, I'm telling you, any undecided voters who read through these forums will read what you write and then be scared off to the communist party of Canada, just tog et aw far away from your lunacy as possible.

[tml12]

Wow.

This is unreal.

Here is a company seeking to open clinics that allow people who want rapid care in Canada to get it, and the government is telling people that even if they can afford better, they don't deserve it -- instead, they must suffer ever-longer waiting lines in Canada's crumbling public health care system.

The irony is, the people who want care can just drive down to Buffalo and get it. So they're even undermining a Canadian company.

But the idea that "rapid access to care undermines medicare" is revealing -- it's basically an admission that government monopoly health care doesn't work to fill the needs of Canadians.

More below:

http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health...l_id=1039&rot=3

YankAbroad,

Even the socialist NDP leader in this country got private surgery (he said he didn't it was private but like all gov't hospitals this one had a bar, a sauna, a fancy restaurant, and a pool... )

When the only leader in the country who hasn't used private care is the conservative one, you know it is about time we ended the in-name-only health monopoly)...

What's with you and fiction TML? Are you deficient in the ability to stick to the truth? Or are you just a born liar?

The clinic Jack Layton went to was covered by OHIP, thus he had to go thorugh the nrmal public queues, thus undermining your entire argument.

And then you make yourself look that much worse with that blurb about a sauna, etc...

Not only do you omit the facts, but you twist the lies you throw out even further. Read what you post, I'm telling you, any undecided voters who read through these forums will read what you write and then be scared off to the communist party of Canada, just tog et aw far away from your lunacy as possible.

Boru,

Your hypocrisy is telling considering that if I twist the facts around to my POV, you are doing the same.

Prime Minister Harper is the only federal leader who has never used healthcare that was in a private clinic.

According to the Shouldice Hospital website, in their hospital "you will find a billiard room, shuffleboard table, TV lounge, a common area to play cards, and a beautiful solarium for lounging and reading. Outside there are 20 acres of landscaped grounds to stroll about, including a putting green."

Don't tell me a socialist leader isn't going to think that this is not for the "common guy" he claims to represent.

You can swim in your insults all you want. I understand your frustration...the left lost. They are done...finished this time. I felt the same way in 2004.

In the meantime, you can enjoy your tax cuts, Canada's military will enjoy its funding increases, and Canada will enjoy a better, more respected position in the world.

[Boru]

Wow.

This is unreal.

Here is a company seeking to open clinics that allow people who want rapid care in Canada to get it, and the government is telling people that even if they can afford better, they don't deserve it -- instead, they must suffer ever-longer waiting lines in Canada's crumbling public health care system.

The irony is, the people who want care can just drive down to Buffalo and get it. So they're even undermining a Canadian company.

But the idea that "rapid access to care undermines medicare" is revealing -- it's basically an admission that government monopoly health care doesn't work to fill the needs of Canadians.

More below:

http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health...l_id=1039&rot=3

YankAbroad,

Even the socialist NDP leader in this country got private surgery (he said he didn't it was private but like all gov't hospitals this one had a bar, a sauna, a fancy restaurant, and a pool... )

When the only leader in the country who hasn't used private care is the conservative one, you know it is about time we ended the in-name-only health monopoly)...

What's with you and fiction TML? Are you deficient in the ability to stick to the truth? Or are you just a born liar?

The clinic Jack Layton went to was covered by OHIP, thus he had to go thorugh the nrmal public queues, thus undermining your entire argument.

And then you make yourself look that much worse with that blurb about a sauna, etc...

Not only do you omit the facts, but you twist the lies you throw out even further. Read what you post, I'm telling you, any undecided voters who read through these forums will read what you write and then be scared off to the communist party of Canada, just tog et aw far away from your lunacy as possible.

Boru,

Your hypocrisy is telling considering that if I twist the facts around to my POV, you are doing the same.

Prime Minister Harper is the only federal leader who has never used healthcare that was in a private clinic.

According to the Shouldice Hospital website, in their hospital "you will find a billiard room, shuffleboard table, TV lounge, a common area to play cards, and a beautiful solarium for lounging and reading. Outside there are 20 acres of landscaped grounds to stroll about, including a putting green."

Don't tell me a socialist leader isn't going to think that this is not for the "common guy" he claims to represent.

You can swim in your insults all you want. I understand your frustration...the left lost. They are done...finished this time. I felt the same way in 2004.

In the meantime, you can enjoy your tax cuts, Canada's military will enjoy its funding increases, and Canada will enjoy a better, more respected position in the world.

I notice you didn't mention a sauna, which is what I called you on... coincidence?

[tml12]

You win...it didn't have a sauna. I was wrong to make such a statement.

[sage]

Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet.

The ghost of Tommy Douglas will kill you in your sleep.

[I Miss Trudeau]

Prime Minister Harper is the only federal leader who has never used healthcare that was in a private clinic.

The only way that statement could possibly be true is if Harper has never seen a doctor outside of a public hospital. If Harper has a family doctor, and I would bet that he does, he has used a private clinic.

[shoop]

The fact that you are resorting to such hair-splitting tactics shows the lameness of your argument.

There are plenty of doctor's practices that do no charge their patients any extra fees. So do explain how the Beresford clinic, in Layton's case, is equivalent to these practices.

Weren't the Liberals supposed to be the defenders of public health care?

The only way that statement could possibly be true is if Harper has never seen a doctor outside of a public hospital. If Harper has a family doctor, and I would bet that he does, he has used a private clinic.

[tml12]

The fact that you are resorting to such hair-splitting tactics shows the lameness of your argument.

There are plenty of doctor's practices that do no charge their patients any extra fees. So do explain how the Beresford clinic, in Layton's case, is equivalent to these practices.

Weren't the Liberals supposed to be the defenders of public health care?

The only way that statement could possibly be true is if Harper has never seen a doctor outside of a public hospital. If Harper has a family doctor, and I would bet that he does, he has used a private clinic.

I agree with Shoop in that I don't see how you can compare a "family doctor" with the clinic where Layton went.

[I Miss Trudeau]

The fact that you are resorting to such hair-splitting tactics shows the lameness of your argument.

Mmhmm. Dig a little beyond your partisan talking points and you'll see where the lameness lies.

There are plenty of doctor's practices that do no charge their patients any extra fees. So do explain how the Beresford clinic, in Layton's case, is equivalent to these practices.

I assume you mean the Shouldice clinic? Google doesn't yield any applicable results of "beresford clinic jack layton". So whats the Shouldice clinic like? A private doctor's office!

"It's just part of the system," Layton said in an interview. "The doctor says, 'Go there.' You pay with your (Ontario health) card. It never occurred to me (it was) anything other than medicare, which it is.

Care to explain to me how a "family doctor," which is a private entity paid through the health care system, differs from a "private clinic," which is a private entity paid through the health care system?

Weren't the Liberals supposed to be the defenders of public health care?

Aren't Conservatives supposed to believe in minimal government involvement in the lives of the citizenry?

Hey look! I can post off topic nonsense too!