Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria

[tml12]

Um, Iraq has admitted to developing and possessing WMD. Iraq has used WMD. That was never the question.

Well, so has the United States. The real issue is whether Iraq continued to possess WMD and whether they were "a threat to the United States". They didn't have any WMD, no active WMD programs, so the answer is no. (Even if they did have WMD, it can be argued they still did not pose a threat to the U.S.)

So you have to examine other factors.

[YankAbroad]

I heard the WMDs are hidden in the Watergate office complex!

[geoffrey]

I heard the WMDs are hidden in the Watergate office complex!

The ones I didn't eat when they tried to pull me over anyways.

[Insom Elvis]

Burns,

I am anxiously looking forward to this story that the MSM will ignore.

They will probably find Bat-Boy before they find Iraq's alleged WMD's. (For those conspiracy theorists who think the "mainstream media" is biased away from the profit motive)

This is about as plausable as Iraq having WMDs in the first place!!

Thanks for the laugh dude

Funny how noone knows about the school with dozens of gas masks hung on the walls, a converted bio-chemical bunker. Also, the 2 mobile chemical weapons factories, or transport truck that happened to have trap-doors leading to biological munitions... or the fact that around the time Jessica Lynch was taken prisoner and the Iraqi people were helping U.S. spec ops to retreive her that scientists gardens were unearthed to find the plans to make nuclear and chemical weapons. Are you really overlooking this? People this bent on killing innocents don't need this technology and if you want to defend them, buy a gun and go over there and hope to hell you conform to their society to a tee or theyll kill you. Pick someone easier to defend next time.

[lost&outofcontrol]

Who cares really if they had WMD or not. Why is invading a sovereign state on the pretext that they may have WMDs acceptable ? Many countries have WMDs and we're not invading them. All it takes to make a WMD is a depleted uranium rod and a couple of sticks of dynamite, leukemia for all.

The US sold weapons to Iraq for years, as long as Iraq and Iran killed each other it was perfectly acceptable selling weapons to Saddam.

History is always written by the victorious....

[newbie]

Who cares really if they had WMD or not. Why is invading a sovereign state on the pretext that they may have WMDs acceptable ? Many countries have WMDs and we're not invading them. All it takes to make a WMD is a depleted uranium rod and a couple of sticks of dynamite, leukemia for all.

The US sold weapons to Iraq for years, as long as Iraq and Iran killed each other it was perfectly acceptable selling weapons to Saddam.

History is always written by the victorious....

and the posters from this forum

[Insom Elvis]

If Africa has coca-cola, Lebanon has Ak-47's and mexico has brain surgeons, Iraq can have WMD's. I don't know about nukes, but the 2 mobile chemical weapons trucks were a bit convincing. They could have had help too, Syria doesn't exactly have a disneyland mentality about using force and I'm sure a nuke or scud could bring in quite a bit of cash for the distributor. Besides Saddam's year's warning from the U.N., our little war over there 12 years ago might have been a bit of a wake-up call, he's not going to advertise the presence of WMD's after tore through his defenses like a hot knife through butter. Also, even if none of Iraq's bordering countries were willing to help them smuggle anything out, if I was in Saddam's shoes I'd have put a real low price on any hot items or buried them out in the middle of nowhere for a bit. The fact is that the only solid evidence we can get on this would be to actually find a well hidden WMD, have enough of his own men coming forward as to their actions, or catch the sneaky bastards on satellite with one but I think they know better than that.

[Montgomery Burns]

Update!

Ex Special Investigator for the Pentagon Spurned on WMD Claim

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Opinion:

Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.

Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."

In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.

"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.

Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.

In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.

"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said.

In a briefing for reporters in October 2003, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper Jr., who was head of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency when the Iraq war began, said satellite imagery showed a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion.

"I think the people below Saddam Hussein and his sons' level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," Lt. Gen. Clapper said.

You haven't heard much about these reports, because they contradict the meme that Saddam either had no WMD, or destroyed it well before the Iraq war began.

The captured files of the Iraqi intelligence service, still mostly untranslated, could shed light on what did happen to Saddam's WMD.

John Loftus, a former Justice Department prosecutor, said a civilian contractor who has been among those examining the Mukhabarat files has found audiotapes of meetings in Saddam's office where WMD was discussed. The contractor, a former military intelligence analyst, will make the tapes public Feb. 17 at a conference sponsored by Intelligence Summit, a private group that Mr. Loftus heads.

Mr. Loftus wouldn't disclose the identity of the contractor in advance of the conference, but said his tapes have been verified by the National Security Agency. "This isn't a smoking gun. It's a smoking cannon," he said.

Wow. Loftus better hope he is correct. He was wrong when he gave a San Francisco address for a "terrorist".

I haven't seen Loftus on Fox News since. I guess I will have to log on to intelligencesummit.org Feb 17 to see his "smoking cannon".

[GostHacked]

Update!

Ex Special Investigator for the Pentagon Spurned on WMD Claim

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Opinion:

Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.

Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."

In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.

"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.

Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.

In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.

"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said.

In a briefing for reporters in October 2003, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper Jr., who was head of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency when the Iraq war began, said satellite imagery showed a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion.

"I think the people below Saddam Hussein and his sons' level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," Lt. Gen. Clapper said.

You haven't heard much about these reports, because they contradict the meme that Saddam either had no WMD, or destroyed it well before the Iraq war began.

The captured files of the Iraqi intelligence service, still mostly untranslated, could shed light on what did happen to Saddam's WMD.

John Loftus, a former Justice Department prosecutor, said a civilian contractor who has been among those examining the Mukhabarat files has found audiotapes of meetings in Saddam's office where WMD was discussed. The contractor, a former military intelligence analyst, will make the tapes public Feb. 17 at a conference sponsored by Intelligence Summit, a private group that Mr. Loftus heads.

Mr. Loftus wouldn't disclose the identity of the contractor in advance of the conference, but said his tapes have been verified by the National Security Agency. "This isn't a smoking gun. It's a smoking cannon," he said.

Wow. Loftus better hope he is correct. He was wrong when he gave a San Francisco address for a "terrorist".

I haven't seen Loftus on Fox News since. I guess I will have to log on to intelligencesummit.org Feb 17 to see his "smoking cannon".

Iran took those weapons? AWESOME !!! Now we have another legitimate reason to take war up with Iran.

Which in the end does not amount to squat, for the US said they are not even looking for them anymore. This is a non starter. And if that guy REALLY knew where the stuff was, the US would have been ALL over that. But instead they chose to propup way more important evidence, like the letter from that Nigerian official (who retired 10 years before he 'signed' the document)

And he might not be on Fox anymore, knowing they get too much respect from the public, and respect means you cannot discuss crack pot theories anymore.

[Zues]

She's most likely referring to Chalabi.

Although, after the invasion of Syria to find the "missing WMDs," we'll naturally learn that the Syrians sent them by train to Iran, then the Iranians sent them by truck to France, then the French sent them by helicopter to the Democratic Party HQ. . .

They don't crucify us for speaking the truth about Bush and his Bushbot automatons on this forum, Yank?