The Globe and mail right or left wing?

[BubberMiley]

And Janet Bagnall is beyond left of the Greens, she's wayy beyond NDP which seems to be trying to become the "Liberal Democratic Party" of Canada.. hmm.. thats catchy, hey, lets unite the left. That will work I swearrr.

I'm all for that. Jack Layton for leader of the Libs. Conservatives would be like the left in Alberta--impotent and terribly frustrated. And they could take control of government without another election.

[kell2784]

I noticed that the National's K. Newman was pretty much dead center. Just my quick observation....arguments welcome of course.

Another topic...for most common-sensible analyst: my vote is for the ever inquisitive Jane Taber.

She seems to be apprenticing under Mike Duffy, and as we all know, the prodigy of apprentices usually surpasses the master at some point.

[tml12]

And Janet Bagnall is beyond left of the Greens, she's wayy beyond NDP which seems to be trying to become the "Liberal Democratic Party" of Canada.. hmm.. thats catchy, hey, lets unite the left. That will work I swearrr.

I'm all for that. Jack Layton for leader of the Libs. Conservatives would be like the left in Alberta--impotent and terribly frustrated. And they could take control of government without another election.

LMAO...

I almost spilled my drink and wet my pants...a Layton government?

Bubber, really...you are beginning to just be incoherent...this country would be so impotent after one day of that not even the political equivalent of 6,000 Viagra pills would raise the confidence of inv...

Ah, hell nothing sounds right tonight...

[BubberMiley]

Come now, TML. Manitoba has done very well under an NDP government. Unemployment has plummeted since they were elected (down to the second lowest in the country). And a lot of the insiders in Layton's government have come directly from Gary Doer's staff.

[YankAbroad]

I want to see Gilles Duceppe as PM.

[tml12]

Come now, TML. Manitoba has done very well under an NDP government. Unemployment has plummeted since they were elected (down to the second lowest in the country). And a lot of the insiders in Layton's government have come directly from Gary Doer's staff.

OK I admit it. I was completely nutty when writing that post.

But I still maintain the position that the provincial NDP is about as similar to the federal NDP as the provincial Quebec Liberal Party here is similar to the federal Liberals.

[Riverwind]

The G&M is unquestionably leftwing. One of the top guns in the Ontario Liberal Party is a lobbyist for Bell Globemedia, which own the G&M and the CTV.

The idea that political views can be neatly divided into left and right is simplistic thinking. The G&M is unquestionably a right wing paper from an economic perspective. From a social perspective the G&M is liberatarian which is not the same a left wing.

The failure of many on the right to understand the difference between socialist and libertarian thinking is the reason why Harper could not get a majority. If Harper wants a majority he must bring these libertarians onto his side. This can only happen if he demonstrates that he is not going to let his economic agenda pre-empted by a bunch of soc-cons.

[BubberMiley]

But I still maintain the position that the provincial NDP is about as similar to the federal NDP as the provincial Quebec Liberal Party here is similar to the federal Liberals.

I'm a Manitoba NDPer, and I assure you, the MB NDP is very, very tight with the federal NDP. They're pretty much totally on the same page. Layton and Doer are both socially progressive, fiscally moderate "new way" social democrats. They believe in balanced budgets and social programs that are affordable and effective. Neither could be described as radical, unless you think Bill O'Reilly is centrist.

[uOttawaMan]

I think Ed Broadbent should run for the leadership of the Liberal party.

[geoffrey]

I think I'm going to run, kind of a joke campaign. How much would it cost? Anyone willing to contribute to my leadership run?

If we can get like 10,000 people to join the liberals and vote for me in the convention, just telling them that its a joke, then wham I'm Liberal Party leader and then the fun begins...

[scribblet]

At one time the G & M was right wing, not to so much these days.

Check out the table in the G &M (Tue. or Wed.) that lists the seat count of Monday's election

In a table normally you would list the highest amount first (at either the top or the left of the table) then go to the lowest in numeric order.

So why does the Globe and Mail list the Liberals first and then the rest in descending order?

[compaq905]

I think my geography teacher has realized that his views are old, also that he is so far to the left that he thinks that a left wing newspaper is right wing. But it is interesting and it explains why so many left wingers believe that the media is against them when it is so clearly the other way. Those individuals need to ask themselfs why they keep voteing liberal if they are that left wing.

[tml12]

I think my geography teacher has realized that his views are old, also that he is so far to the left that he thinks that a left wing newspaper is right wing. But it is interesting and it explains why so many left wingers believe that the media is against them when it is so clearly the other way. Those individuals need to ask themselfs why they keep voteing liberal if they are that left wing.

I mean HNIC is one of the most watched shows in this country and CBC was pulling out all the Liberal ads on the twenty-first of January.

I mean if I was a Canadiens fan with no interest in politics who just decided to watch the game that night, I might have believed that Harper was a Fascist who ate babies, wanted to pollute our cities, was obsessed with guns and pollution, hated the environment, wanted to cut taxes, supported government so small he was going to move the capital to some little caribbean island in the Turks that Canada may obtain after we close our borders to immigrants because he was anti-union and pro-outsourcing.

Didn't see one pro-CPC ad though... :angry:

[BubberMiley]

I think my geography teacher has realized that his views are old, also that he is so far to the left that he thinks that a left wing newspaper is right wing. But it is interesting and it explains why so many left wingers believe that the media is against them when it is so clearly the other way. Those individuals need to ask themselfs why they keep voteing liberal if they are that left wing.

You have to ask yourself why a multi-million dollar media corporation like Bell would direct its resources towards disseminating left-wing propaganda. Right-wingers who complain that the media is left-wing are like Christians who claim that Christmas is under attack: they try and make their practically non-existent opponent seem like an actual threat.

[RB]

I think my geography teacher has realized that his views are old, also that he is so far to the left that he thinks that a left wing newspaper is right wing. But it is interesting and it explains why so many left wingers believe that the media is against them when it is so clearly the other way. Those individuals need to ask themselfs why they keep voteing liberal if they are that left wing.

What if I told you the right wing folks keep moving left and pushing the lefties further left.

I mean the Conservatives picked up votes based on moving their social agendas closer left, you agree?

[Riverwind]

I mean HNIC is one of the most watched shows in this country and CBC was pulling out all the Liberal ads on the twenty-first of January.

...

Didn't see one pro-CPC ad though... :angry:

The Liberals paid for those ads. You did not see any CPC ads because the CPC did not choose to run ads on the CBC. A pretty dumb move for a party that is trying to attract more centrist voters.

[BubberMiley]

Conservatives since Reagan have been moving increasingly right (and taking "progressive" out of the PC name was quite deliberate).

The NDP however has been in power in Manitoba for six years and have balanced the budget every year (even despite one of the worst farm crises since the 1930s). The federal NDP are on the same page--social programs, but affordable ones. They've also given up the ghost on any big new public ventures (NAFTA necessitated that), even though they were generally very successful (see Manitoba Public Insurance). So I'd say the left is moving right, at least economically.

I would also say that the vast majority of people in this country vote left. And during the election campaign, Harper made every effort to appear moderate and mainstream by telling the socon/neocon wingnuts in the party to shut up, and by reminding the American conservatives that any support from them wouldn't be helpful. So the CPC hasn't moved left (and they even haven't "evolved" that much from Reform); they just did what they had to do to get elected.

[BubberMiley]

I think my geography teacher has realized that his views are old, also that he is so far to the left that he thinks that a left wing newspaper is right wing. But it is interesting and it explains why so many left wingers believe that the media is against them when it is so clearly the other way. Those individuals need to ask themselfs why they keep voteing liberal if they are that left wing.

I mean HNIC is one of the most watched shows in this country and CBC was pulling out all the Liberal ads on the twenty-first of January.

I mean if I was a Canadiens fan with no interest in politics who just decided to watch the game that night, I might have believed that Harper was a Fascist who ate babies, wanted to pollute our cities, was obsessed with guns and pollution, hated the environment, wanted to cut taxes, supported government so small he was going to move the capital to some little caribbean island in the Turks that Canada may obtain after we close our borders to immigrants because he was anti-union and pro-outsourcing.

Didn't see one pro-CPC ad though... :angry:

I can't believe you think the network just decides to run political ads on its own. Do you have any idea how election laws work in this country? They can't run unpaid political advertisements during an election, and when they do, they have to give equal time to each party.

[tml12]

I think my geography teacher has realized that his views are old, also that he is so far to the left that he thinks that a left wing newspaper is right wing. But it is interesting and it explains why so many left wingers believe that the media is against them when it is so clearly the other way. Those individuals need to ask themselfs why they keep voteing liberal if they are that left wing.

I mean HNIC is one of the most watched shows in this country and CBC was pulling out all the Liberal ads on the twenty-first of January.

I mean if I was a Canadiens fan with no interest in politics who just decided to watch the game that night, I might have believed that Harper was a Fascist who ate babies, wanted to pollute our cities, was obsessed with guns and pollution, hated the environment, wanted to cut taxes, supported government so small he was going to move the capital to some little caribbean island in the Turks that Canada may obtain after we close our borders to immigrants because he was anti-union and pro-outsourcing.

Didn't see one pro-CPC ad though... :angry:

I can't believe you think the network just decides to run political ads on its own. Do you have any idea how election laws work in this country? They can't run unpaid political advertisements during an election, and when they do, they have to give equal time to each party.

If they were paid for, shows you where the Liberals go to send their message...the Liberal-loving CBC of course...

[BubberMiley]

Yeah, of course. And CTV and Global too. What's your point?

[Riverwind]

If they were paid for, shows you where the Liberals go to send their message...the Liberal-loving CBC of course...

I think it shows a lot of stupidity on the part of the CPC. The CBC audience is much more diverse than right wing pundits would like to beleive. The CPC basically wrote off that audience off during the campaign and made no attempt to make their case.

[tml12]

Yeah, of course. And CTV and Global too. What's your point?

Why do I even try? The election is over and we won...all is well.

BTW regarding Manitoba (from Wikipedia): "Doer's government has been moderate and pragmatic in tone, and free of the more dramatic sort of reforms undertaken by previous NDP governments, though it has continued the NDP's traditional support of organized labour. Manitoba's economy has remained prosperous, and its 4.8% unemployment rate (2004 figure) is the lowest in the country. Auto insurance rates are also significantly lower in Manitoba than in any other Canadian province."

Sounds like Doer's more moderate than the federal NDP, eh Bubber?

[tml12]

If they were paid for, shows you where the Liberals go to send their message...the Liberal-loving CBC of course...

I think it shows a lot of stupidity on the part of the CPC. The CBC audience is much more diverse than right wing pundits would like to beleive. The CPC basically wrote off that audience off during the campaign and made no attempt to make their case.

I admit the CPC was stupid because I am a CPC voter and a Canadiens fan and I would have been happy to see some CPC ads and I think it was dumb of them...

[geoffrey]

I watch CBC news all the time and I'm definitely no Liberal. I like learning about things that you don't see on other channels, like how crazy and oppressive those freaks are at Bountiful (just watching now).

I'm ok with the CBC for now... but I am not ok with government paying for media. Privatize the CBC and I'll be a happy camper.

[tml12]

I watch CBC news all the time and I'm definitely no Liberal. I like learning about things that you don't see on other channels, like how crazy and oppressive those freaks are at Bountiful (just watching now).

I'm ok with the CBC for now... but I am not ok with government paying for media. Privatize the CBC and I'll be a happy camper.

I totally agree the CBC should be privatized...