Trump pardoned them. Now they’re helping him return to power

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Politically motivated is eluding to the suspect timing, vs the actual charges. The charges are legit. Will they result in an arrest, isn't guaranteed, but isn't the point.

Am sure they left zero stones unturned, to prevent him from running. Even to fully suppress his voice.

The standard should be universal.

Do something illegal, and get punished for it. There should be zero exceptions.

Trump isn't the first corrupt president, and won't be the last.

To state he is the worst, is irrelevant. The standard should be the same across the board.

You cannot use the law in politics, to suppress the voice you do not agree with. It sets a dangerous precedent that other future presidents can and likely will exploit in the future to jail perceived threats.

Its such a third world country way of running a country.

You're supposed to be setting the global standard.

Blaming Trump solely for this, is to say no other US presidents have committed a crime that should be further scrutinized.

Also - a charge can be politically motivated and still be approved by a grand jury.  The jury is not there to ask why the charge was laid, nor is it there to test the evidence. it ONLY has to determine that there's enough reason to believe it MIGHT be valid to allow it to continue.   The real trial will test the evidence and motivations and make a decision, not the GJ

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I read into their timing.

I read between the lines. 

By strongly pushing this agenda, the hard left is essentially giving wings to a political candidate who was otherwise done and dusted via their own incompetence.

Its free advertising. He knows him in cuffs is great for business, as well as knowing debating is wasteful because his case gets more views.

Of course they did. The timing is suspect, and a lot of Americans are seeing it the same way.

ONLY the MAGA CULT. Most American voters are on to Trump's OBVIOUS self-serving schtick. You caught on yet?

[Caswell Thomas]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No ,the grand jury did not think otherwise.  Despite the name, the grand jury does not actually come to a verdict on the case. Their job is to see if there's enough of a case to justify having a real jury and a real court case.

So they could very easily say "it looks politically motivated... but it's up to a jury to decide that, there's enough evidence to proceed.

How come you don't know this stuff?

But he HAS read the Indictments, as I have also, and he is correct in the general sense of how Trump's pardons are demonstrably different than former presudential.pardons. For example also, Trump hands out pardons like candy, or..like a MAFIA Don does to his thugs who go out and commit crimes knowing they will get out of any retribution. 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Politically motivated is eluding to the suspect timing, vs the actual charges. The charges are legit. Will they result in an arrest, isn't guaranteed, but isn't the point.

Am sure they left zero stones unturned, to prevent him from running. Even to fully suppress his voice.

The standard should be universal.

Do something illegal, and get punished for it. There should be zero exceptions.

Trump isn't the first corrupt president, and won't be the last.

To state he is the worst, is irrelevant. The standard should be the same across the board.

You cannot use the law in politics, to suppress the voice you do not agree with. It sets a dangerous precedent that other future presidents can and likely will exploit in the future to jail perceived threats.

Its such a third world country way of running a country.

You're supposed to be setting the global standard.

Blaming Trump solely for this, is to say no other US presidents have committed a crime that should be further scrutinized.

Who said "no other US presidents have committed a crime"?

We have evidence of Trump's crimes. Perhaps no other POTUS has been as BRAZEN as Trump.

I believe the Tea Pot dome scandal almost indicted a POTUS, but that was before my time.

Suspicious timing is NOT exculpatory evidence. Who told you it is?

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

But he HAS read the Indictments, as I have also, and he is correct in the general sense of how Trump's pardons are demonstrably different than former presudential.pardons. For example also, Trump hands out pardons like candy, or..like a MAFIA Don does to his thugs who go out and commit crimes knowing they will get out of any retribution. 

I think that it's kind of like a cloud - you see what you want to see a little bit.  Similar comments have been said of presidents in the past. I have little doubt trump tends to "bestow" them like a mighty king dealing out honours to his nights but honestly it's very far from the first 'highly questionable' pardons in history and it's not that out of line unless you choose to see it that way.  Again - nixon as one example everyone knows.

Trump is trump - and he's an ego maniac in the extreme and that's just the way that is. You vote for him, you're voting for that because it's pretty obvious. In Canada we've got justin trudeau - clearly very corrupt and demonstrably does things that would make anyone but the prime minister a criminal, but people voted for him knowing that so his supporters are accepting that's what they're voting for.  IT's not like it's a secret.

It is what it is.  I suspect if he wins again then you won't have seen nuthin' yet   But people will be voting for him knowing that's what they're buying.

29 minutes ago, robosmith said:

ONLY the MAGA CULT. Most American voters are on to Trump's OBVIOUS self-serving schtick. You caught on yet?

Trump's polling about 50 percent these days.....  you know how math works right?

[Guest]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

You caught on yet?

Very much so.

What I wouldn't do, is ring the alarm and call the coast guard on it, allowing his voice and cause to be amplified tenfold. 

As a victim, no less.

Honestly, letting him run quietly, with the self inflicted damage he has done to his own name, would have allowed him to self immolate politically.

Only the hard left would do something as silly as keep such a man's name firmly in the press, when the country had already moved on from him.

 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Very much so.

What I wouldn't do, is ring the alarm and call the coast guard on it, allowing his voice and cause to be amplified tenfold. 

As a victim, no less.

Honestly, letting him run quietly, with the self inflicted damage he has done to his own name, would have allowed him to self immolate politically.

Only the hard left would do something as silly as keep such a man's name firmly in the press, when the country had already moved on from him.

Nope. The HARD RIGHT, AKA, the Republican establishment like Liz Cheney, still understands the REASONS the laws must be enforced. 

If Trump were allowed to attempt an insurrection with impunity, it would be OPEN SEASON from then on.

Hopefully, unlike when Hitler did similar, the American voter will wake up and NOT re-elect him.

Edited December 10, 2023 by robosmith

[Caswell Thomas]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I think that it's kind of like a cloud - you see what you want to see a little bit.  Similar comments have been said of presidents in the past. I have little doubt trump tends to "bestow" them like a mighty king dealing out honours to his nights but honestly it's very far from the first 'highly questionable' pardons in history and it's not that out of line unless you choose to see it that way.  Again - nixon as one example everyone knows.

Trump is trump - and he's an ego maniac in the extreme and that's just the way that is. You vote for him, you're voting for that because it's pretty obvious. In Canada we've got justin trudeau - clearly very corrupt and demonstrably does things that would make anyone but the prime minister a criminal, but people voted for him knowing that so his supporters are accepting that's what they're voting for.  IT's not like it's a secret.

It is what it is.  I suspect if he wins again then you won't have seen nuthin' yet   But people will be voting for him knowing that's what they're buying.

Trump's polling about 50 percent these days.....  you know how math works right?

And you know, I hope that polls are not primaries or elections. Before either in this case, Trump will have gone through several jurisdictional Courts and its looking very likely that his ego and insults will not prevail in any federal court where, I can tell you from personal , in Court, experience in U. S. District Federal Courtrooms (and to the person sitting just 5 ft away instead of me )  , you do NOT act like anyone but a very respectful lawful and court rules following  person or the fines and , if necessary, actual.physical restraints, will come very much to the Front ...if you try doing them. Even 

words you say, HOW you say them and when,  even if spoken in a whisper, will get you BIG Penalties and ever increasing LARGE fines.  You don't mess or show " attitude" to any federal judge in their Court. Not ever. Trump will find that out on Day One. State Courts , compared to Federal ones, are lenient and state judges can have mercy, not so Federal Courts and Judges. Also make absolutely sure you are in the Courtroom and ready to Proceed by the time of your Court date and time. A Judge may be late a few minutes, but don't expect the same for you or your team.  Be On Time. Seeing how Trump has acted before....watching any federal trial will be...priceless. 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

And you know, I hope that polls are not primaries or elections.

My dear sir   That is the battlecry of every person who knows their guy is going to lose hard since polls were first a thing

Polls do have meaning and they are important, especially when taken in groups over time. They show trends and posisiblities and if you know how to read the tea leaves they present a LIKELY future. Not guaranteed by any stretch, but what is probable. And right now - it appears to be a strong possibility bordering on a weak probability that trump will be the next Pres.
 

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Before either in this case, Trump will have gone through several jurisdictional Courts and its looking very likely that his ego and insults will not prevail in any federal court where, I can tell you from personal , in Court, experience in U. S. District Federal Courtrooms (and to the person sitting just 5 ft away instead of me )  , you do NOT act like anyone but a very respectful lawful and court rules following  person or the fines and , if necessary, actual.physical restraints, will come very much to the Front ...if you try doing them. Even 

words you say, HOW you say them and when,  even if spoken in a whisper, will get you BIG Penalties and ever increasing LARGE fines.  You don't mess or show " attitude" to any federal judge in their Court. Not ever. Trump will find that out on Day One. State Courts , compared to Federal ones, are lenient and state judges can have mercy, not so Federal Courts and Judges. Also make absolutely sure you are in the Courtroom and ready to Proceed by the time of your Court date and time. A Judge may be late a few minutes, but don't expect the same for you or your team.  Be On Time. Seeing how Trump has acted before....watching any federal trial will be...priceless. 

 

Ok - well aside from the fact that the run on sentence of the year award totally goes to you.... 

.... none of that really makes any difference. His polilng numbers seem to go up with every negative court interaction. Of course at SOME point he's going to have to look sane again to attract the middle people, but it is what it is. Getting charged and arrested didn't hurt him, a few fines won't.

If he can delay the trials till after the presidency, and he probably can, then if he wins it's all over.

[Caswell Thomas]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

My dear sir   That is the battlecry of every person who knows their guy is going to lose hard since polls were first a thing

Polls do have meaning and they are important, especially when taken in groups over time. They show trends and posisiblities and if you know how to read the tea leaves they present a LIKELY future. Not guaranteed by any stretch, but what is probable. And right now - it appears to be a strong possibility bordering on a weak probability that trump will be the next Pres.
 

Ok - well aside from the fact that the run on sentence of the year award totally goes to you.... 

.... none of that really makes any difference. His polilng numbers seem to go up with every negative court interaction. Of course at SOME point he's going to have to look sane again to attract the middle people, but it is what it is. Getting charged and arrested didn't hurt him, a few fines won't.

If he can delay the trials till after the presidency, and he probably can, then if he wins it's all over.

It will only be a few fines in the New York trial, the other cases are criminal court indictments, not administrative courts. Those carry prison sentence if he loses and he knows it. Look at his eyes and body language lately, the bravado and rant of outside disappears and shows a desperate fearful, try anything, say anything man who is terrified he and his whole little criminal empire has been found out and he's not going to be pardoned. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

It will only be a few fines in the New York trial, the other cases are criminal court indictments, not administrative courts. Those carry prison sentence if he loses and he knows it. Look at his eyes and body language lately, the bravado and rant of outside disappears and shows a desperate fearful, try anything, say anything man who is terrified he and his whole little criminal empire has been found out and he's not going to be pardoned. 

Nonsense. The man is a mild sociopath, he's afraid of nothing and doesn't for a moment believe it won't go his way.

And he may be right - the criminal stuff could likely be delayed till after the election and if he wins that's the end of that. I'm quite certain he feels that's inevitable.

[Caswell Thomas]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Nonsense. The man is a mild sociopath, he's afraid of nothing and doesn't for a moment believe it won't go his way.

And he may be right - the criminal stuff could likely be delayed till after the election and if he wins that's the end of that. I'm quite certain he feels that's inevitable.

He can feel whatever he wants, but just as Jack rode in an open limo through the streets of Dallas, TX in 1963, and felt safe, there was a crazy in the crowd waiting for his Moment in History , and Trump far eclipses that limo's ride danger already. I am not inciting anything, but I fear what could happen and its aftermath. Right now the Russian Federation is going through a similar problem, the opposition leader against Putin has gone missing from his hospital cell, and his daughter appeared on a media channel today denouncing it and claiming Putin is to blame and calling for the Russians to vote Putin out of his Presidency. So you now have two desperate, angry, chaotic men , Trump and Putin, who, coincidentally are best of friends.....

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

He can feel whatever he wants, but just as Jack rode in an open limo through the streets of Dallas, TX in 1963, and felt safe, there was a crazy in the crowd waiting for his Moment in History , and Trump far eclipses that limo's ride danger already. I am not inciting anything, but I fear what could happen and its aftermath. Right now the Russian Federation is going through a similar problem, the opposition leader against Putin has gone missing from his hospital cell, and his daughter appeared on a media channel today denouncing it and claiming Putin is to blame and calling for the Russians to vote Putin out of his Presidency. So you now have two desperate, angry, chaotic men , Trump and Putin, who, coincidentally are best of friends.....

 

 

 

I think most of the gun owners are on his side  

I think you're reading too much into it.  If he can delay his trials till the start of the presidental race which is basically July after the nominee is confirmed, then i think that part is over. 

As to someone getting rid of him - honestly i think everyone's just fascinated with seeing how the story will end, AFTER that he might get shot, but not before

Still - you never know. You can't write this stuff.  It should be an interesting year to watch.

[Caswell Thomas]

On 12/11/2023 at 7:53 PM, CdnFox said:

I think most of the gun owners are on his side  

I think you're reading too much into it.  If he can delay his trials till the start of the presidental race which is basically July after the nominee is confirmed, then i think that part is over. 

As to someone getting rid of him - honestly i think everyone's just fascinated with seeing how the story will end, AFTER that he might get shot, but not before

Still - you never know. You can't write this stuff.  It should be an interesting year to watch.

Totally.

[Caswell Thomas]

On 12/10/2023 at 7:15 AM, Perspektiv said:

Very much so.

What I wouldn't do, is ring the alarm and call the coast guard on it, allowing his voice and cause to be amplified tenfold. 

As a victim, no less.

Honestly, letting him run quietly, with the self inflicted damage he has done to his own name, would have allowed him to self immolate politically.

Only the hard left would do something as silly as keep such a man's name firmly in the press, when the country had already moved on from him.

 

The " rest of the country"? as in the Republicans? " have moved on" ?....oh I don't think so, not at all. You might want him to go away, but Trump is going to prison and taking any with him that kissed his ring...and a lot of the whole country, both sides, will be glad when he does, since its pretty hard for even the people who supported him from being thrown under the bus when Trump needs a new stepping stone to crush under his heel and kick under the wheels. At the rate he's going, he will take down every Republican with a "name" in Congress from the Republican leaders to the old school who have run up too many free lunches at party expense....