Trying to start a new party

[LabourPartyCanada]

I am trying to start a new federal political party - the Labour Party of Canada. Until I have attracted enough members, we will be us8ing the platform of the Australian Labor Party www.alp.org.au

If anyone is interested please e-mail [email protected]

Thanks

[Cameron]

For talk talk purposes, what Canadian party does this more align with?

[crazymf]

Hmmm....I always thought the NDP was a labor party.

[Cameron]

Hmmm....I always thought the NDP was a labor party.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It was, then all the voters got higher wages and moved on to the Conservatives...

[LabourPartyCanada]

Somewhere on the spectrum between NDP and Liberal.

While it is true that the NDP is to a certain extent a labour party, there is one key difference. The NDP are willing to pull a budget defcit to fund social programs, the Labour are not.

"Better services, fully paid for"

The Labour Party will rely on economic growth to power the country. Labour's ultimate goal is for zero unemployment and 100% literacy.

[Slim MacSquinty]

My son and I were pondering the possibilities of a new polical party just the other day, we were thinking "the comedy party", just to make fun of all the idiots in politics.

I was thinking of nominating crazy as my attorney general after I read his post about lawyers, clearly has a better grasp of the law profession than any politician I've ever heard.

[Wilber]

I wouldn't get too hung up on labels. Who is more to the left? Paul Martin's Liberals, Jack Layton's NDP or Tony Blair's Labour.

I do miss the Rhinoceros Party

[Canuck E Stan]

Labour Party?

About time someone thought about banding together Unionized Pregnant Women.

[scribblet]

Somewhere on the spectrum between NDP and Liberal.

While it is true that the NDP is to a certain extent a labour party, there is one key difference.  The NDP are willing to pull a budget defcit to fund social programs, the Labour are not.

"Better services, fully paid for"

The Labour Party will rely on economic growth to power the country.  Labour's ultimate goal is for zero unemployment and 100% literacy.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wouldn't it be more productive to join the NDP and work from within to change it?

[cybercoma]

The more leftist parties, the better.

[LabourPartyCanada]

Wouldn't it be more productive to join the NDP and work from within to change it?

Not really, alot of people say that the Provincial NDP are most of the incentive to not vote NDP federally (ie. BC NDP). There are not many things wrong with the NDP, just their name associates them with some bad things that will scare people away.

Still only the one member, lol.

[LabourPartyCanada]

http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/labourpar...yguid=253046945

It's bad nettiquette to bring back dead threads, but still looking for members. Thanks, Platform now available/

LPoC

[email protected]

[geoffrey]

Somewhere on the spectrum between NDP and Liberal.

While it is true that the NDP is to a certain extent a labour party, there is one key difference. The NDP are willing to pull a budget defcit to fund social programs, the Labour are not.

"Better services, fully paid for"

The Labour Party will rely on economic growth to power the country. Labour's ultimate goal is for zero unemployment and 100% literacy.

The Geoffrey Institute (my newly founded think tank for the next 5 minutes) has declared that zero unemployment is impossible, and 100% literacy will be acheived in Canada within 20 years without new policy.

One difference is hardly a reason to start a new party. Join up with the NDP and fight to change them towards British and Aussie Labour.

Good luck none the less. I don't agree with anything Labour, but hey, good to see people out there in the political process.

[scribblet]

I am trying to start a new federal political party - the Labour Party of Canada. Until I have attracted enough members, we will be us8ing the platform of the Australian Labor Party www.alp.org.au

If anyone is interested please e-mail [email protected]

Thanks

Thanks but no thanks, if I want labour or left wing I would vote NDP, and wouldn't this splinter the left and split the votes?

BTW is this anything to do with Buzz Hargrove who did mention starting up his own party?

[lost&outofcontrol]

Somewhere on the spectrum between NDP and Liberal.

While it is true that the NDP is to a certain extent a labour party, there is one key difference. The NDP are willing to pull a budget defcit to fund social programs, the Labour are not.

From the NDP Platform:

Our commitments:

The federal government will have enough money over the next four years to do its job inside of balanced budgets.

[quinton]

LabourPartyCanada says:

The Labour Party will rely on economic growth to power the country.

No surprise there.

More people, more consumption of goods. What else is new?

The earth will be robbed of its natural wealth until it is inhospitable for humans.

Every country is in a race to destroy biodiversity for its own growth and expansion of humans and human activity. Little do the stupid citizens know that unless we gear away from economic growth, the earth will be left permanently impoverished.

Economic Growth is the product of more people and more consumption.

So is Environmental Degradation.

[LPoC Founder 2]

Here is one fundamental difference that we have developed:

The Socialist NDP are known for creating a number of government-run organizations, some of the more well known ones are still around (though now privately owned), namely Air Canada, and Petro Canada.

We have a policy of our own. "If it aint broke, don't fix it."

Though we do plan to use social programs (such as public health care, and drastic improvements on our provinces level of education), we still support a primarily private business sector.

Businesses, in my opinion as a founder, should be left to the private business men to run. Does this mean that I don't believe in certain levels of regulation? Absolutely not, however, I personaly see no reason why the government should own businesses.

Another thing is that I would like to (if possible) remove this unconstitutional, antiquated income tax, which exisists only as a disgusting throw back to World War II.

You may or may not notice how right wing these policys sound.

However, I do believe a fair level of business regulation is in order.

Now, though I do see some level of benefits to Kleinomics, I am rather disgusted by his treatment of extremely necessary programs such as education. As a son of two teachers, I see first-hand the level of stress and disgusting treatment teachers under go. These ever-famous teachers strikes are perfectly in order, and I see no reason why the conditions of schools cannot be improved. I would provincialy be in favour of reducing class sizes, and increasing the educational budget.

I feel reduced class sizes would not only benefit the teachers, but the students as well. This would give students more time for one-on-one discussions with the teachers, and I feel we would see a drastic increase in test scores across the province.

I also would like to subsidize the post-secondary institutions to reduce tuition fees. I feel an educated population would benefit the province, and even go so far as to help reduce the labour crisis the province is undergoing.

Though our party is too small and too disorganized at the moment to truly be voted provincialy, we could use all the help we could get to make these things possible.

Also, in regards to the environmental issue that was brought up:

It is possible to run vehicles on alternate sources of energy, and to create buildings that do less damage to the surrounding area.

What needs to happen is the government needs to break its bonds with Oil-revenue.

I am in full support of Green Energy sources. As for my partner in crime... well, I'm more than certain he is too. Aren't you, buddy?

[LabourPartyCanada]

Here is one fundamental difference that we have developed:

The Socialist NDP are known for creating a number of government-run organizations, some of the more well known ones are still around (though now privately owned), namely Air Canada, and Petro Canada.

We have a policy of our own. "If it aint broke, don't fix it."

Though we do plan to use social programs (such as public health care, and drastic improvements on our provinces level of education), we still support a primarily private business sector.

Businesses, in my opinion as a founder, should be left to the private business men to run. Does this mean that I don't believe in certain levels of regulation? Absolutely not, however, I personaly see no reason why the government should own businesses.

Another thing is that I would like to (if possible) remove this unconstitutional, antiquated income tax, which exisists only as a disgusting throw back to World War II.

You may or may not notice how right wing these policys sound.

However, I do believe a fair level of business regulation is in order.

Now, though I do see some level of benefits to Kleinomics, I am rather disgusted by his treatment of extremely necessary programs such as education. As a son of two teachers, I see first-hand the level of stress and disgusting treatment teachers under go. These ever-famous teachers strikes are perfectly in order, and I see no reason why the conditions of schools cannot be improved. I would provincialy be in favour of reducing class sizes, and increasing the educational budget.

I feel reduced class sizes would not only benefit the teachers, but the students as well. This would give students more time for one-on-one discussions with the teachers, and I feel we would see a drastic increase in test scores across the province.

I also would like to subsidize the post-secondary institutions to reduce tuition fees. I feel an educated population would benefit the province, and even go so far as to help reduce the labour crisis the province is undergoing.

Though our party is too small and too disorganized at the moment to truly be voted provincialy, we could use all the help we could get to make these things possible.

Also, in regards to the environmental issue that was brought up:

It is possible to run vehicles on alternate sources of energy, and to create buildings that do less damage to the surrounding area.

What needs to happen is the government needs to break its bonds with Oil-revenue.

I am in full support of Green Energy sources. As for my partner in crime... well, I'm more than certain he is too. Aren't you, buddy?

What else can I say?? Totally agree with him.

LPoC Founder 1

[shoop]

If y'all really want to start a party with any aim of electoral success maybe a little realism in your policies is in order.

What would replace the revenues generated by income tax? Why is it unconstitutional?

Not a big fan of Klein, but Alberta teachers are the best paid teachers in the country. There are a lot of jobs out there with similar pay rates and the same, if not more, stress involved. There isn't much public support for teacher's strikes in that environment.

Klein made the cuts that were necessary to elminate the debt and deficit and restored funding when the fiscal situation allowed it. *No province* was running surpluses before Klein. Now the Feds and everybody except Ontario, IIRC, is running a surplus. There needs to be credit given for that. The Canadian public will not accept deficit financing anymore.

Another thing is that I would like to (if possible) remove this unconstitutional, antiquated income tax, which exisists only as a disgusting throw back to World War II.

You may or may not notice how right wing these policys sound.

However, I do believe a fair level of business regulation is in order.

Now, though I do see some level of benefits to Kleinomics, I am rather disgusted by his treatment of extremely necessary programs such as education. As a son of two teachers, I see first-hand the level of stress and disgusting treatment teachers under go. These ever-famous teachers strikes are perfectly in order, and I see no reason why the conditions of schools cannot be improved.

[quinton]

Why am I supposed to be excited over yet another status-quo party?

I'd rather just vote on the issues.

Issue based politics offers some hope. Personality based politics is futile when there are so few parties to choose from.

It is impossible for one of 4 or 5 parties to share my view on all the issues.

There would need to be thousands of parties to have any chance of one that represented all my views.

For that matter, why can't we just vote on the issues.

As for how a referendum on an issue is summoned... why not just nominate them with petitions?

[geoffrey]

People aren't smart enough to know the details of a situation. You elect people to hire experts to decide.

Majority tyranny is a horrible idea.

[LPoC Founder 2]

Income Tax is unconstitutional, because it directly taxes a persons income. The only reason it remains, is because governments after world-war II decided they liked having this extra governmental income, and never de-institutionalized it. Our little three-member party will be having a sit down to discuss exactly how we are going to make money, as well as discuss any other issues and inconsistencies within the platform.

Also: Perhaps Alberta teachers are well-paid, but I think it is rediculous that a teacher should have to teach in a classroom of sixty+ students, like some of our teachers currently are. The average class sizes are begining to drop, but this does not help the fact that the schools are slowly degrading into delapidated heaps. The money exists now. It's time that Klein stopped shoving hundred-dollar cheques into our hands, and started putting the money he has to use.

[geoffrey]

Find me a 60+ student classroom and the PC's lose my vote next election... too bad it doesn't exist.

I'll take your cheque off your hands if you don't want it...

[quinton]

What a surprise that geoffery the fundamentalist Christian supports the conservatives and Steven Harper.

I'm just going to take a wild guess that if he lived in the USA he would support George W Bush.

I wish people like geoffery would move to the USA so that he could "support his troops" there.

I don't like any of the parties, but I'd probably rate them from worst to best in this order.

Conservative

Block Quebec

Liberal

NDP

Green

That is based on my priorities (protecting the environment as long as possible before its inevitable demise)

In our fast paced world of 9-5 jobs people have lost sight of what is really going on.

I'm not talking about global warming. To me, there is a far worse human-induced problem - loss of natural wild habitat.

[geoffrey]

I never realised I was a fundamentalist Christian. There aren't many posts here that would give you that impression, but oh well. I'm rather centrist on my morality policy views actually.

If I lived in the States, I would not support GWB. I do not like his economic concepts, he's a poor manager of a country. I don't think going to war with Iraq was the best choice, I would have rather seen intervention in the Sudanese genocide or something like that. I do generally support the Republicans however, just not under their current poor leadership.

And I only support Harper and the CPC on issues that I find important. I mostly disagree with their ridiculous concepts of child care allowances and continuation of the failed health care system. I disagree that I'm not getting a much bigger tax cut. I'm no partisan, you can find many posts here that I am extremely critical of the CPC and Harper.

I vote very issue by issue like you do quinton.

Just thought I'd stick up for myself for that random attack from quinton.