Export Tax on Alberta Oil and Gas

[Argus]

I'm sure his policy is so brilliant that he doesn't want to reveal it. 

I hope it's more brilliant than his policy of putting young people in jail for simple possession.  He was willing to reveal that position this weekend so this policy must be an even more clever vote getter.

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Why don't you stop wanding off and stick to threads. Do you introduce decriminalizing marjuana into every single thread because you're too stoned to figure out what people are talking about?

[FTA Lawyer]

You really missed the point...there are APPEAL PROCESSES that have not yet run their course...in NAFTA as well as the WTO.  The reason for appeals is because sometimes mistakes are made by lower decision-makers.

The Government of Canada has an up-to-date, chronological website where one can follow softwood lumber developments including NAFTA, WTO, appeals, decisions, etc.

http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/eicb/softwood/what-en.asp

I see no indication that there will or can be any further appeals to NAFTA. Five NAFTA panels have ruled in Canada's favour. If you have evidence of a pending or even possible further appeal to NAFTA, please provide it.

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Good link.

I'll concede I may not have been accurate about remaining NAFTA appeals...it appears from the link that the U.S. was making motions seeking clarification of the latest NAFTA rulings (as opposed to filing appeals).

A delay tactic? Of course. Justification for us to impose illegal duties of our own? Of course not.

In fact, the link does demonstrate my point quite clearly...a December 5, 2005 appeal ruling in the WTO going against the U.S. and then a December 6, 2005 announcement that the U.S. was cutting its duties.

We'd look pretty dumb right now if we had just recently announced our plan to breach NAFTA in respect of oil and gas as a retaliatory measure...

Of course the process is long, drawn out, and allows for stalling tactics, but that's the process...we've followed it apparently to the end, and now we can expect to see changes...like the December 6 announcement.

Do we back off on our negotiations for return of the improperly collected duties? No...but we aren't going to do ourselves any favours by "hinting" that we'll slap tarriffs on oil and gas.

FTA

[normanchateau]

In fact, the link does demonstrate my point quite clearly...a December 5, 2005 appeal ruling in the WTO going against the U.S. and then a December 6, 2005 announcement that the U.S. was cutting its duties.

Yes, this does indeed support your point quite well. Actually, I never challenged your point. I merely wanted to call to your attention that the NAFTA appeal process has run it's course.

[normanchateau]

Do you introduce decriminalizing marjuana into every single thread because you're too stoned to figure out what people are talking about?

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Let's look at your "logic" for a moment. If someone introduces into a thread that he opposes putting young people in jail and giving them a criminal record for life, then that person must be "stoned", i.e., use marijuana. Using the same logic, if someone opposes Harper making homophobic comments about Svend Robinson, as Harper did in the House of Commons, that person must be homosexual.

[shoop]

Not only would we look dumb, but we would significantly harm the hottest sector of our national economy at the moment.

Sorry to get the thread back on topic Normie.

We'd look pretty dumb right now if we had just recently announced our plan to breach NAFTA in respect of oil and gas as a retaliatory measure...

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[southerncomfort]

Not only would we look dumb, but we would significantly harm the hottest sector of our national economy at the moment.

Sorry to get the thread back on topic Normie.

We'd look pretty dumb right now if we had just recently announced our plan to breach NAFTA in respect of oil and gas as a retaliatory measure...

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Thanks Shoop.

[fellowtraveller]

Am I the only person who remembers Martin running his leadership campaign against Chretien partially on the basis that he could fix the hateful relationship between Chretien and the US?

[shoop]

We all *remember* that plan.

Alas, Martin has proven how empty that promise was.

Am I the only person who remembers Martin running his leadership campaign against Chretien partially on the basis that he could fix the hateful relationship between Chretien and the US?

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[normanchateau]

Am I the only person who remembers Martin running his leadership campaign against Chretien partially on the basis that he could fix the hateful relationship between Chretien and the US?

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Actually Martin ran his leadership campaign against Sheila Copps and John Manley. Manley then withdrew from the race.

[Argus]

We all *remember* that plan.

Alas, Martin has proven how empty that promise was.

Am I the only person who remembers Martin running his leadership campaign against Chretien partially on the basis that he could fix the hateful relationship between Chretien and the US?

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Everything Martin has ever said has turned into empty promises. Whether it's fixing health care, repairing our relationship with the US, addressing the "democratic deficit" or more openness in government.

[normanchateau]

Am I the only person who remembers Martin running his leadership campaign against Chretien partially on the basis that he could fix the hateful relationship between Chretien and the US?

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Speaking of the US, how does Harper's position on softwood lumber differ from Martin's position?

[scribblet]

I'm putting this in here because it addresses Alberta, and Adler is on a real roll here LOL

http://winsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Adl...07/1341732.html

Charles Adler Wed, December 7, 2005

When is Martin declared scary?

By CHARLES ADLER

As the story goes ... a newspaper reporter from Alberta was drinking with a member of Paul Martin's communication team. Pretty soon the bar talk became trash talk and Paul Martin's pantry boy puked up the following hairball: "Alberta can fellate me."

Forgive me, father, for I have sinned. I have misled readers about the language in that bar. No one said "fellate." Sorry for thinking I could blow that one past you.

Is this any different than former PM Jean Chretien's musings way back when about how he didn't need Alberta? So what if the language is a little saltier this time? It's the same vulgar principle. If Alberta had half the money and double the population, the Liberals would deliver more TLC than Anna Nicole Smith offers a dying billionaire.

Question: If a prime minister wants to pistol-whip a province that doesn't need Ottawa's money, does this enhance national unity. Does it make Paul Martin scary?

Lest you think such insults are reserved for Alberta, think again. Jean Lapierre may not have been imbibing Johnny Walker Red, but the PM's designated enforcer in Quebec must have been drunk with perceived power when he tried to a drop a bomb on the Bloc Quebecois. Lapierre said BQ Leader Gilles Duceppe's stump speech in which he got so sauced about his party's electoral chances that he predicted the Liberals would "disappear" was "Nazi-like."

Had Lapierrre, Paul Martin's transportation minister, transported himself back to the 1940s and decided that Duceppe was now designing the kind of plan for Liberals that the Designing Fuhrer was drafting for Jews?

What's at the heart of Liberal darkness? ....

[JerrySeinfeld]

The NDP have announced they will put  an export tax on Alberta oil and gas exports to the USA in retaliation for U.S. softwood lumber tariff.

Note that the tax is on exporters (Alberta) not the importers, so I'm sure Alberta vogers will be elated to this.

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The NDP imposing/raising taxes eh? What a concept!

[scribblet]

The NDP have announced they will put  an export tax on Alberta oil and gas exports to the USA in retaliation for U.S. softwood lumber tariff.

Note that the tax is on exporters (Alberta) not the importers, so I'm sure Alberta vogers will be elated to this.

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The NDP imposing/raising taxes eh? What a concept!

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Yeah, whoda thunk it, the NDP raising taxes