Hello Canadians

[Montgomery Burns]

Pearson:

Further confirming my belief that hatred of Americans is brainwashed into Canadians.

Canadians are forced to pay $1 billion a year to the state-run CBC to be brainwashed in America Hatred.

And now they want state-run daycare, they want our children at a younger age...

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The CBC is an outstanding organization. Just because it was never an extreme right-wing station, doesn't make it extreme left wing.... And brainwashing... have you been spending a lot of time ordering from Mark Emery's web site ????

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How can you cast a critical eye on a--let's be frank--corrupt Liberal govt when you might be up for the next Governor General of Canada?

Canadians should not be forced to pay $1 billion per year to fund far-left political views. I disagree with the CBC's agenda and I resent being forced to pay for their far-left propaganda.

If the CBC was private, I could live with--and basically ignore--them. But I have no choice to "vote" with my wallet regarding the CBC.

I find that sad...

[Black Dog]

Then what do you make of this article from the BBC (must have been some real soul-searching the day this was published) that out of 25 countries assessed by global tourism boards that Americans are tied for the very best, most-liked, most-courteous, etc... tourists in the world (tied for number one with Japanese and Germans).

Guess where Canadians were on the list?

Number two? No. Three? No. Four? Guess again. Fifteenth? Nope. 20th? Keep going. Dead last? You mean tied with the Russians? BINGO! (see paragraph 11)

Actually, Canadians were ranked eighth.

[err]

How can you cast a critical eye on a--let's be frank--corrupt Liberal govt when you might be up for the next Governor General of Canada?

Canadians should not be forced to pay $1 billion per year to fund far-left political views.  I disagree with the CBC's agenda and I resent being forced to pay for their far-left propaganda.

Do you think that this is one of the first corrupt governments we've had for a while... Actually, you'll probably find that it was the previous Liberal government that presided when the corruption occurred... But if you were to look at the previous Conservative governement of Brian Mulroney, the dollar value of the corruption (airbus, etc..) dwarfs the $100 million Liberal scandal.... Let's not be super naive....

And as for the CBC having far-left views, I would beg to differ... as I don't think they give the Left enough coverage... they are central, and they give both the left and right wing coverage...

I guess your problem is that they are well balanced, and that sometimes can show the right-wing for what they are.... And we wouldn't want well balanced coverage in a Conservative world, would we....

[Pearson]

Actually, Canadians were ranked eighth.

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Thanks for posting the original link I had not seen it, only the BBC article reporting on the study.

You are correct that Canadians come in eighth overall considering the multiple criteria of: behaviour; politeness; willingness to learn the lingo; enthusiasm to try the local delicacies; and how much money they put into the local economy.

Apparently Canadians are last (alongside Russians and British) in the category of politeness which, as the BBC article puts it, "Americans were judged the most courteous and the British the rudest, alongside the Russians and Canadians."

And that is what I based my earlier statement on, since it is the only time Canadians are mentioned in the BBC article.

The direct Expedia link says basically the same thing; i.e., "‘Have a nice day’ Americans are the most polite, out-charming Germans and Japanese. Britons are judged to be the rudest, followed by Russians and the usually placid Canadians."

Another thing to consider is the points assigned. The top three countries overall were the Germans, Americans, and Japanese who scored 41, 32, and 24 points, respectively. Canadians only scored 4 points so there is a large gap there.

And let's not forget the real moral of this story. Canadians were not at the top. The world does not have the same image of you that you have of yourselves. In fact, the evidence is the opposite; Canadians are considered to be among the rudest citizens in the world when travelling overseas.

And Americans are not the rude, arrogant, "Ugly-Americans" that we are so often called by Canadians. In fact, the evidence is just the opposite. Americans are polite to others when travelling overseas, exhibit decency, and basically get along quite well with others.

It is time to bury this myth.

[tml12]

Actually, Canadians were ranked eighth.

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Thanks for posting the original link I had not seen it, only the BBC article reporting on the study.

You are correct that Canadians come in eighth overall considering the multiple criteria of: behaviour; politeness; willingness to learn the lingo; enthusiasm to try the local delicacies; and how much money they put into the local economy.

Apparently Canadians are last (alongside Russians and British) in the category of politeness which, as the BBC article puts it, "Americans were judged the most courteous and the British the rudest, alongside the Russians and Canadians."

And that is what I based my earlier statement on, since it is the only time Canadians are mentioned in the BBC article.

The direct Expedia link says basically the same thing; i.e., "‘Have a nice day’ Americans are the most polite, out-charming Germans and Japanese. Britons are judged to be the rudest, followed by Russians and the usually placid Canadians."

Another thing to consider is the points assigned. The top three countries overall were the Germans, Americans, and Japanese who scored 41, 32, and 24 points, respectively. Canadians only scored 4 points so there is a large gap there.

And let's not forget the real moral of this story. Canadians were not at the top. The world does not have the same image of you that you have of yourselves. In fact, the evidence is the opposite; Canadians are considered to be among the rudest citizens in the world when travelling overseas.

And Americans are not the rude, arrogant, "Ugly-Americans" that we are so often called by Canadians. In fact, the evidence is just the opposite. Americans are polite to others when travelling overseas, exhibit decency, and basically get along quite well with others.

It is time to bury this myth.

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Unfortunately I believe this "myth" is ingrained in Canadian culture.

Just the other day I heard two men talking in a coffee shop. One was a Canadian from Toronto and the other was his American friend. The American was talking about the Kashechewan water crisis. The American used the term "Indian" at one point and the Canadian said "Indian? Canadians will know you're American, we don't use the term Indian here."

While we may use the official term "aboriginal" more here, I cannot tell you how many times I have heard Indian spoken by other Canadians and read it in the local papers. But I guess that is just what it comes down to...

[newbie]

Seems to me Expedia is an American company. Would it surprise anyone that they would place their own high on the list of their own survey?

[Montgomery Burns]

Further confirming my belief that hatred of Americans is brainwashed into Canadians.  Why? 

I, like most Canadians, like the American people that I know... I've spent a lot of time in the USA and found most of the people I've met to be very nice, welcoming, etc....

I also share many Canadians' negative feelings about the Bush administration. Just because we don't like the administration doesn't mean that we don't like Americans.... And conversely, just because the like the citizens, doesn't mean that we have to like the administration....

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You contradict yourself. You say you like the American people but dislike the Bush administration that the American people elected into power--twice.

[newbie]

That's not a contradiction. You can easily dislike one's opinion and still like the person. I think I learned that in kindergarten.

[Montgomery Burns]

err:

Do you think that this is one of the first corrupt governments we've had for a while...  Actually, you'll probably find that it was the previous Liberal government that presided when the corruption occurred...  But if you were to look at the previous Conservative governement of Brian Mulroney, the dollar value of the corruption (airbus, etc..) dwarfs the $100 million Liberal scandal.... Let's not be super naive....

Change the subject from Liberal Party corruption to Liberal Lite ("Progressive" Conservative Party) corruption and change the $250 million dollar Liberal scandal (the biggest in Canadian political history) to $100 million.

Typical revisionist (polite way of saying "lie") history by the left.

And as for the CBC having far-left views, I would beg to differ... as I don't think they give the Left enough coverage... they are central, and they give both the left and right wing coverage...

All those rightwingers on the CBC...like Rex Murphy and and and...???

The typical panel on CBC is 4 liberals and 0 conservatives, or if they are in an especially generous mood, 3 liberals and 1 conservative (and the moderator is always liberal). The CBC derides democracies (or republics) like the USA and Israel, while being sympathetic to the displaced Arabs, to the point of their moderator on the CBC forums deleting the word "terrorist" when one complains about the displaced Arabs blowing up another busload of Israeli women and children. They play Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine, it seems, at least once a week. Ha ha. Let's all laugh at those stupid Americans (who by the sheerest of coincidence, dominate the world financially, culturally, and militarily).

Look at how many times the CBC has attacked the Fox News Channel since the Liberal party lifted its 5 year ban off the FNC. It's petty and smacks of a bunch of socialists whining about a channel that allows conservatives to have their say.

Can't have that!

I guess your problem is that they are well balanced, and that sometimes can show the right-wing for what they are....  And we wouldn't want well balanced coverage in a Conservative world, would we....

Oh good grief. I posted on the CBC lockout thread about the mindset of the CBC when I saw the entries from their CBCUnlocked website when they were on strike. Links to Michael Moore, Ted Rall (who last week wrote an article saying that Bush is WORSE than Hitler), and gleeful proclamations that Kanye West "said what we all knew was true; George Bush hates black people!"...and complaints that the CBC management was trying to implement a bizarre NEOCON agenda to the poor poor leeches who suck money from the Canadian taxpayers.

The CBC is an ultra-leftwing news source and is an embarrassment. It is a Soviet-style news station run by the state.

Eg, the CBC has archived all the Coach's Corner segments...except for one; the one where Don Cherry said he supported the US and was embarrassed that Canada turned its back on the Iraqi people. That Coach's Corner is "mysteriously" missing.

However, I'm not really surprised. Free speech is the greatest threat to the left, specifically the far left.

[Montgomery Burns]

That's not a contradiction. You can easily dislike one's opinion and still like the person. I think I learned that in kindergarten.

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I think you flunked kindergarten. How can you have contempt for the Bush administration and not have contempt for the people who voted for him?

[newbie]

That's not a contradiction. You can easily dislike one's opinion and still like the person. I think I learned that in kindergarten.

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I think you flunked kindergarten. How can you have contempt for the Bush administration and not have contempt for the people who voted for him?

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It's called respect.

[tml12]

Seems to me Expedia is an American company. Would it surprise anyone that they would place their own high on the list of their own survey?

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Expedia has various affiliates in different affiliates in various countries, including Canada.

[newbie]

Seems to me Expedia is an American company. Would it surprise anyone that they would place their own high on the list of their own survey?

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Expedia has various affiliates in different affiliates in various countries, including Canada.

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Anyone can conduct a survey. It would make more sense and have more credibility to get an independent one done.

[l234]

think,,,,what if canada actually had to swim in the river instead of bitching from the river bank. canadians seem to have developed a form of mental narcissism to compensate for it's lack of international recognition.

[flashman]

think,,,,what if canada actually had to swim in the river instead of bitching from the river bank.  canadians seem to have developed a form of mental narcissism to compensate for it's lack of international recognition.

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I prefer that Canada stay "Under the Radar" like Norway, Switzerland etc. rather that being a chest beating boastfull idiot.

[scribblet]

think,,,,what if canada actually had to swim in the river instead of bitching from the river bank.  canadians seem to have developed a form of mental narcissism to compensate for it's lack of international recognition.

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I agree, I would prefer that Canada stand up for freedom and democracy and be counted. At least lend some moral support to our friend and neighbour to the south, and quit with the Anti Americanism. I don't support the war in Iraq or a lot of what Bush does but I don't see any need to for the continual Bush and U.S. bashing I see on other forums. From what I've read so far on here, the discussion seems to be better than that.

[daniel]

Why is it that in order to be counted, Canada has to go with the flow as some people would have it?

Back in the '80s PC leader Brian Mulroney stated that to be heard in matters of the global arms race Canada won't have credibility in the Peace Movement if it didn't cooperate and test the Cruise Missile.

How much credibility does one have if he's always the "yes" man?

[tml12]

think,,,,what if canada actually had to swim in the river instead of bitching from the river bank.  canadians seem to have developed a form of mental narcissism to compensate for it's lack of international recognition.

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I agree, I would prefer that Canada stand up for freedom and democracy and be counted. At least lend some moral support to our friend and neighbour to the south, and quit with the Anti Americanism. I don't support the war in Iraq or a lot of what Bush does but I don't see any need to for the continual Bush and U.S. bashing I see on other forums. From what I've read so far on here, the discussion seems to be better than that.

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Unification through comparison is false unification.

[flashman]

think,,,,what if canada actually had to swim in the river instead of bitching from the river bank.  canadians seem to have developed a form of mental narcissism to compensate for it's lack of international recognition.

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I don't support the war in Iraq or a lot of what Bush does but I don't see any need to for the continual Bush and U.S. bashing I see on other forums.

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THe Bush and US bashing is not restricted to Canada. It's a global trend.