canada's destruction

[Black Dog]

How about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that was imposed on Canadians even though this Charter was not ratified by all provinces and even though provincial Rights protected Canadian citizens.

The Charter did not need to be ratified by all provinces.

Under the pre-1982 set up, amendments to the British North America Act, 1867. were enacted through acts of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. The provinces had no say. Since the patriation of the constitution in 1982 amendments can only be passed by the Canadian House of Commons, the Senate, and a two-thirds majority of the provincial legislatures representing at least 50% of the national population. Povincial unaminity is not necessary.

[newbie]

newbie

"What Right's have been removed."

How about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that was imposed on Canadians even though this Charter was not ratified by all provinces and even though provincial Rights protected Canadian citizens.

This Charter gives the federal governnment the Right to impose Rights at their discretion overiding the Rights of Canadian citizens to participate.

You must remember Canada is not a NEW country but yet the Rights that have been decided on unilaterally by the Liberal government especially involving Quebec and SSM is almost the same as rewriting the Constitution and to say Canadians don't deserve to be part of this process is ludicrous , demeaning, insulting and demonstrates an undemocratic government bent on running Canada as a republic.

The Right has been humiliated by the Left in the eyes of freedom by a Liberal imposed Charter (Rights and Freedoms) that should be illegal anyways since all provinces did not sign it.

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The Quebec government was the only one not to sign because they wanted more rights than the rest of us. And are you forgetting the nonwithstanding clause?

Every MP had his or her say and vote regarding SSM. Every person had the right to contact their MP and voice their concern. This is how democracy works. You can't possibly bring every piece of legislation to the people.

To say that our charter was Liberal imposed is ridiculous. It was signed by all Premiers except Levesque. And if you want to talk about a mini-republic, that was Quebec at the time. What is interesting tho, In a June 1982 Gallup Poll, 49% of Quebecers wanted the constitituion, 16% did not. Also 52% of elected officals were in favour. So what would you have us do. Abandon the charter and go back to being under Britian's thumb?

[Leafless]

Black Dog

Are you saying the additon of the Rights and Freedoms Charter to our existing BNA Act forming our Constituion can be VIEWED as an ammendment.

This Charter is a VERY powerful piece of legislation which could be seen constituting a constitution in itself.

Make no mistake---All Canadians should have been involved with the decission whether or not to pass this Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[Guest eureka]

All Canadians were involved: they voted for the representatives who were responsible for its enactment..

The Charter is not a "very powerful piece of Legislation." In fact, it made no new law since almost everything in the Charter was already present in Common Law. What was new in the Charter, such as Sec. 25 did not affect the Rights of the general population. The argument about the Charter is whether it actually weakend protection by bringing the "Notwithstanding" Clause into the Constitution. My view is that it did.

[Leafless]

newbie

The Charter was self imposed and created by Mr. Trudeau and the Liberals over the objection of some premiers who insisted provincial laws protected Canadians.

How Quebec can implement the NWC in a document like the Charter especially when it was designed to help Quebec from being assimilated is hard to understand.

By using this clause only shows the contemp for the ROC.

Your agreement with Liberal policy concerning the passage of this Charter is astounding.

I don't really know what all of this did for Quebec as I believe the latest numbers indicate 53% of Quebecers want separation and Quebecers up to now reject national Parties unless everthing orginates from inside Quebec.

[Guest eureka]

The Charter had nothing to do with the politics of Quebec and it was agreed to by all the Premiers.

No Provincial Premiers objected and they did not "insist Provincial laws protectd all Canadians. Much of the Charter is within Federal, not provincial, jurisdiction. And, it was not Quebec that insisted on the "Notwithstanding" Clause. It is Quebec that has abused it, though.

How on earth could any province object to a Charter, as such, when all the Provinces have provincial Charters? The Charter is merely a codification of existing rights.

[newbie]

newbie

The Charter was self imposed and created by Mr. Trudeau and the Liberals over the objection of some premiers who insisted provincial laws protected Canadians.

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Wrong

By using this clause only shows the contemp for the ROC.

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This was the concession to some of the provinces.

Your agreement with Liberal policy concerning the passage of this Charter is astounding.

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Thank you

I don't really know what all of this did for Quebec as I believe the latest numbers indicate 53% of Quebecers want separation and Quebecers up to now reject national Parties unless everthing orginates from inside Quebec.

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It left them out of federation. Mulroney stirred up the pot by trying to get Quebec onboard with bribery (concessions through Meech and Charlottetown). He failed miserably leaving us with the mess he created.

[Leafless]

eureka

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a powerful document as all Rights become a federal responsibility guaranteed in the constitution.

The Charter overides all laws in Canada pertaining to Rights and Freedoms and therefore can be interpreted federally NOT provincially.

The Charter was not signed by Quebec so obviously it was not agreed like you said by all premiers.

[Leafless]

newbie

Someday newbie you will have to realize that Quebec wants Canada and really wants no part of confederation as not only the Conservatives failed despite Mulroney being a Quebecer to unite Quebec with Canada but so did the Liberals fail big time despite giving them federal entities and taxpayers money spent on bilingualism with estimates ranging anywhere from $36-billion dollars to $600-billion dollars with the latter fiqure attested by a Toronto accountant.

[Guest eureka]

Leafless: go away for a little while and learn something before you continue with this prattling nonsense. It is obvious that you are not willing to learn anything here.

[Leafless]

eureka

I cannot beleive the lefties who insist Canada is properly being represented in a democratic manner.

Canadians are not democratically being represented by their MP's who most of the time vote Party policy concerning any issue and Canada also is in desperate need of electoral reform.

Concerning the Charter of Rights and Freedoms eureka, it can certainly be manipulated like it has been with Quebec by the Liberals to suit their Liberal political agenda.

If you call the charter being voted by Canadians on by a handful of politicians rather than the whole population then you have got no clue as to what constitutes democracy. The BNA Act was patriated for ammendments. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms cannot be viewed as an ammendment and like I said constitutes important legislation that politicians initially had no buisness ratifying.

If you don't like what you see eureka-to bad!

[Black Dog]

Are you saying the additon of the Rights and Freedoms Charter to our existing BNA Act forming our Constituion can be VIEWED as an ammendment.

No, it's part of the constitution, much as the U.S. Bil of Rights is part of the Constitution, not a seperate document.

Make no mistake---All Canadians should have been involved with the decission whether or not to pass this Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

But there was no legal obligation to do so.

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a powerful document as all Rights become a federal responsibility guaranteed in the constitution.

The Charter overides all laws in Canada pertaining to Rights and Freedoms and therefore can be interpreted federally NOT provincially.

What's wrong with that? Before the enactment of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in 1982, civil rights and liberties had no solid constitutional protection in Canada.

Concerning the Charter of Rights and Freedoms eureka, it can certainly be manipulated like it has been with Quebec by the Liberals to suit their Liberal political agenda.

I don't think you can pin Liberal corruption on the Charter.