Someone Tell the President the War is Over

crazymf · August 19, 2005

Since I don't own guns, I don't really care. I don't understand the near sexual fetishization of firearms by some segments of the population, but hey: whatever floats yer boats.

Merely a point to illustrate the polarization of you and I discussing probably anything at all. Don't know what the sex comment is about of course, but if it's an insult, keep it. Not part of the 'rules' here that you seem to know so well.

mirror · August 20, 2005

Hey, What's That Sound?

"Any effort to explain Iraq as 'We are on track and making progress' is nonsense," Newt Gingrich told Adam Nagourney and David D. Kirkpatrick for a Times article on G.O.P. jitters about the shadow of Iraq over the midterm elections. "The left has a constant drumbeat that this is Vietnam and a bottomless pit. The daily and weekly casualties leave people feeling that things aren't going well."
W. says he can't set a deadline to bring the troops home. But he started the war on an artificial deadline; he declared a "Mission Accomplished" end to major hostilities on an artificial deadline; he was inflexible on deadlines for handing over Iraqi sovereignty and holding elections. And he tried to force the Iraqis to produce a constitution on his deadline when the squabbling politicians of the ethnic and religious factions hadn't even reached consensus on little things like "Do we want one country?"

Maybe when the results of the 2006 Congressional elections are in the Republicians will begin to clue in to what the rest of the planet knows by now.

theloniusfleabag · August 21, 2005

Dear Black Dog,

Since I don't own guns, I don't really care. I don't understand the near sexual fetishization of firearms by some segments of the population, but hey: whatever floats yer boats.

The phallic connotation of the gun is prevalent, but I don't see a way to construe it to represent the female genitalia...except maybe the Blunderbuss.

crazymf · August 21, 2005

That would be the English blunderbuss I assume? Especially for the older ladies?

LMAO!!!

mirror · August 21, 2005

Are Republicians cutting the president loose?

GOP Senator Says Iraq Looking Like Vietnam

Hagel scoffed at the idea that U.S. troops could be in Iraq four years from now at levels above 100,000, a contingency for which the Pentagon is preparing.
"We should start figuring out how we get out of there," Hagel said on "This Week" on ABC. "But with this understanding, we cannot leave a vacuum that further destabilizes the Middle East. I think our involvement there has destabilized the Middle East. And the longer we stay there, I think the further destabilization will occur.

Hagel said "stay the course" is not a policy. "By any standard, when you analyze 2 1/2 years in Iraq ... we're not winning," he said.

crazymf · August 23, 2005

The US Navy today announced that it has released a senior Al Quaeda terrorist after questioning him extensively for 27 days while being held prisoner aboard a US aircraft carrier in the Arabian Sea.

In a humanitarian gesture, the terrorist was given $50 US and a tank of gas for his 1962 Ford Fairlane automobile upon being released from custody.

The photo below shows the terrorist on his way home just after being released by the Navy.

New navy policy

GostHacked · August 23, 2005

What Black Dog meant by the sexual thing and guns is that it is a fever.

Alot of gun owners are fanatical about their collection and treat them as well as their umm. you know.

crazymf · August 23, 2005

I've got no doubt what he meant. It was close to being outside the boundry.

I got thick skin though, and BD is right about a couple things about me.

1. I do tend to see in black and white rather than grey.

2. I should expect to be worked over if I make bold statements.

I'd just like the personal comments to be a little more respectful. I'm not here to trash anybody, just have some good healthy debates. A little humor is lost on some people around here too.

What you see of me is what you get. No hidden agenda here.

mirror · August 24, 2005

He's quite the guy, our prez. If he's so fit maybe he could lead his troops into battle over there in Iraq, eh! Oh I forgot, he only believes in war for others, not for himself:

My Private Idaho

PocketRocket · August 24, 2005

Canada's support of our neighbors in a time of need is despicable.
I have never felt so low being Canadian as I have since 911 with our governments decisions to abandon our friends to the south when they need us.

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You're kidding, right??

I mean 9/11 was one thing. And we did send people to help during the rescue attempts and cleanup at the WTC.

We did send troops and support to Afghanistan. And we had casualties there, some of them at the hands of our American friends.

Despite that accident, I agree that the USA is our friend and ally.

BUT, if your friend, duly warned of the consequences, and against all good judgement, chooses to stick his hand into a hornets' nest, are you going to stand there getting stung along with him???

If he chooses off a cliff, are you going to jump as well??

I for one am proud that we chose to say "No, we will not participate in this particular war", because I, along with millions of others, believe the war was based on lies and deceit, not to mention a healthy dose of hypocrisy.

As time passes, more and more evidence seems to come forth supporting that opinion.

Sorry, but I cannot support a war based on lies.

(But I do admit that it's good to see Saddam gone.)

crazymf · August 24, 2005

Canada's support of our neighbors in a time of need is despicable.
I have never felt so low being Canadian as I have since 911 with our governments decisions to abandon our friends to the south when they need us.

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You're kidding, right??

I mean 9/11 was one thing. And we did send people to help during the rescue attempts and cleanup at the WTC.

We did send troops and support to Afghanistan. And we had casualties there, some of them at the hands of our American friends.

Despite that accident, I agree that the USA is our friend and ally.

BUT, if your friend, duly warned of the consequences, and against all good judgement, chooses to stick his hand into a hornets' nest, are you going to stand there getting stung along with him???

If he chooses off a cliff, are you going to jump as well??

I for one am proud that we chose to say "No, we will not participate in this particular war", because I, along with millions of others, believe the war was based on lies and deceit, not to mention a healthy dose of hypocrisy.

As time passes, more and more evidence seems to come forth supporting that opinion.

Sorry, but I cannot support a war based on lies.

(But I do admit that it's good to see Saddam gone.)

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Hand in a hornets nest? I don't think so. I think it's more like a friend who wants to go skydiving and wants you to come with him and help him open his parachute in case it he has trouble opening it.

It's too soon to tell whether the US was right or wrong, and with any war, there's bound to be negative spins even if the victory is obvious.

Context time:

2000<> dead soldiers? So What. Howmany people get killed every day in traffic accidents in the states. Here's a stat from 99

* Motorcycle crashes killed 2,537 in 1999 compared to 2,284 in 1998.

* Fatalities in crashes involving large truck crashes dropped from 5,374 in 1998 to 5,203 in 1999.

* Speeding-related traffic deaths rose from 12,477 in 1998 to 12,672 in 1999.

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/nhtsa1200.htm

The war is just a day at the office statistically.

Black Dog · August 24, 2005

Good news for the war crowd: Iraq has a draft constitution! Iran loves it!

"The composition of Iraq's constitution is an very valuable and important step towards the independence and integration of Iraq," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told official media. "It will help the Iraqi nation to gain security, establishment of peace and sovereignty."

Iraqi women, however, don't.

"Human rights should not be linked to Islamic Sharia law at all. It should be listed separately in the constitution," said Safia Souhail, Iraq's ambassador to Egypt.
The prominent women's rights campaigner denounced wording that grants each religious sect the right to run its own family courts -- apparently doing away with previous civil codes -- as an open door to further Islamicise the legal system.

Although in practice, many Iraqis end up having recourse to religious authorities or informal tribal law, the idea of a united civil code is central to the modern state, Souhail said.

"This will lead to creating religious courts. But we should be giving priority to the law," she said.

"When we came back from exile, we thought we were going to improve rights and the position of women. But look what has happened -- we have lost all the gains we made over the last 30 years. It's a big disappointment."

Souhai must be one of those blameA merica first types I've heard so much about, right?

There was an emotional moment during Wednesday's State of the Union address when the mother of a 25-year-old Marine killed in Iraq, Janet Norwood, embraced an Iraqi voter, Safia Taleb al-Suhail.

Oh.