mirror Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Stereotyping doesn't do any good in my opinion whether one is talking about a muslim extremist or an Albertan red-neck. I think the following article is misleading and we need to focus on what we have in common instead of what drives us apart: Closeted gay community of Alberta still avoiding altar Quote
Hawk Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 What is this? Another completely slanted poll? LOL I find it funny I either have to admit I am a redneck or admit I am not anti-gay, good job =p Fortunately, I haven't even voted on it unless it gets edited to better allow a proper answer. Also in regards to that article, it is true. 5 marriages in total, 3 in Edmonton, 1 in Calgary, and 1 from someplace (dunno where it was at) so far. Frankly it doesn't surprise me Haha I just remember something, me and my friend were talking about this during work and I was like 'I give it 1 month before they are divorced' and he countered me with 'I give it 1 month before they are dead' I got a good laugh out of that one, because its true that in Alberta the gay community is on very very thin ice. I am not that fanatic (till some gay couple tries to take someone I know to court at least hehe), but I won't deny that there are those who are Tradition is precious, especially in a society where slowly but surely our traditions are being killed one at a time... I personally don't like people trampling on the traditions of my ancestors, especially when the majority is obviously on my side. Quote The only thing more confusing than a blonde is a Liberal Check this out - http://www.republicofalberta.com/ - http://albertarepublicans.org/ "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy (1917 - 1963)
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Alberta isn't red-neck and anti-gay. Only our government is. Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
Hawk Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Alberta isn't red-neck and anti-gay. Only our government is. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Over 90% of the people I know are anti-gay, and about 60% of those people haven't lived on a farm in their lives (and I have lived here 18 years in the same Lethbridge and surrounding area) Of course, you ARE from Edmonton, which explains alot Quote The only thing more confusing than a blonde is a Liberal Check this out - http://www.republicofalberta.com/ - http://albertarepublicans.org/ "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy (1917 - 1963)
crazymf Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I am. What's your point? I want a referendum RIGHT NOW on gay marriages!! I want another one on gun laws!! And I'm not anti-gay. I am pro straight, but you don't see us out there having straight pride parades. I don't personally care where you stick your pecker, but don't try and normalize it. Civil unions with spousal rights, fine, but don't call it marriage equal to a man and a woman. You can't swap wives with a queer couple, it just doesn't work. eeewww ps. I am not minority here, pal. Quote The trouble with the legal profession is that 98% of its members give the rest a bad name. Don't be humble - you're not that great. Golda Meir
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Over 90% of the people I know are anti-gay, and about 60% of those people haven't lived on a farm in their lives (and I have lived here 18 years in the same Lethbridge and surrounding area) And whats your point? Of course, you ARE from Edmonton, which explains alot laugh.gif Yes, thats right. Its means that I'm sophisticated and wordly. Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I want a referendum RIGHT NOW on gay marriages!! I want another one on gun laws!! Well, son, you can't always get what you want. I am pro straight, but you don't see us out there having straight pride parades. I dunno. I'm pretty sure I saw one go through the Millwoods area of Edmonton a while back. I don't personally care where you stick your pecker, but don't try and normalize it. It is normal. Perhaps you should try not to abnormalize it. Civil unions with spousal rights, fine, but don't call it marriage equal to a man and a woman. Wouldn't civil unions "normalize" it? You can't swap wives with a queer couple, it just doesn't work. eeewww ps. I am not minority here, pal. Actually, I'm pretty sure that wife swapping would put you in the minority. Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
crazymf Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I don't swap wives. That was a 'what if'. I'm happily married and have been for 23 years. I am in a same sex marriage myself, to the same woman. Same sex for 23 years. I don't miss Trudeau. I guess we differ in a few ways. I'm going to miss Ralph though. I was trying to be a fairly liberal redneck by saying the civil union thing because I really couldn't care a less what people want to do as long as it doesn't interfere with my lifestyle. Looks like queer marriage is here to stay anyway so whatever. It's not like we're going to start an insurgency or anything to stop it. Things always change I guess. That's why we eventually die, so we don't have to give a rat's a** about it in the end. It's hard to talk intellectually when the red neck starts up. Quote The trouble with the legal profession is that 98% of its members give the rest a bad name. Don't be humble - you're not that great. Golda Meir
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I don't miss Trudeau. I guess we differ in a few ways. I'm going to miss Ralph though. I'll miss Ralph too, I suppose. But only if he is replaced by a neo-con christian fundamentalist. I was trying to be a fairly liberal redneck by saying the civil union thing because I really couldn't care a less what people want to do as long as it doesn't interfere with my lifestyle. I really don't understand how gay marriage would interfere with a persons lifestyle any more than same sex unions. For that matter, I don't understand how either could possibly influence an unrelated persons lifestyle. Looks like queer marriage is here to stay anyway so whatever. It's not like we're going to start an insurgency or anything to stop it. Well, Hawk seems to think it might happen. Things always change I guess. That's why we eventually die, so we don't have to give a rat's a** about it in the end. Well, I suppose if your death was brought about prematurely by the wrath of an angry diety, you might care. Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
crazymf Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Hehe. Good thing we can laugh together about it. If life was REALLY tough we couldn't waste time pretending to be important here. Good comebacks!! Except for this one.... I really don't understand how gay marriage would interfere with a persons lifestyle any more than same sex unions. For that matter, I don't understand how either could possibly influence an unrelated persons lifestyle. Being a Nazi was ok at one time. I'm sure that people couldn't understand how that was bad either. Rough comparison, I concede, but the outcome was rougher. Our society works for the most part and by some of our standards isn't really all that broken. Why does it need fixed? Let's get on to more important things, like separation and a western republic!! Quote The trouble with the legal profession is that 98% of its members give the rest a bad name. Don't be humble - you're not that great. Golda Meir
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Hehe. Good thing we can laugh together about it. If life was REALLY tough we couldn't waste time pretending to be important here. Pretending?! Being a Nazi was ok at one time. I'm sure that people couldn't understand how that was bad either. Rough comparison, I concede, but the outcome was rougher. Well, I wouldn't say it was ever "ok," exactly. Anyway, there is a rather large disconnect between a group that murdered millions of people, and individuals who want to marry whoever they are in love with. Our society works for the most part and by some of our standards isn't really all that broken. Why does it need fixed? Well, a decent number of people feel that it is broken. I tend to agree with them. Let's get on to more important things, like separation and a western republic!! Hmm. Can't we just ship the separatists off to antarctica to start a colony instead? Think of all the extra land mass they'd get that way! And its not like its going to melt away... thats just a myth! Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
kimmy Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Legalized SSM is not going to put gays at greater risk of being beaten or killed. Gay bashers are not going to check for marriage licenses before they start beating people up. Gays are not any more or less safe than they were on Tuesday. We're talking about attitudes that take years or generations to change. It's an issue that's been blown far out of proportion by people on both sides of the issue. While I'm sure same-sex marriage will have personal meaning to those getting married, it will have very little impact on others. I doubt the gay community in urban Alberta is going to become more visible. And in rural Alberta, the gay community will continue to be pretty much invisible. I'm not sure if the writer of the article expected Calgary to turn into San Francisco sometime between Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning. Perhaps he was expecting rainbows painted on grain elevators and oil rigs. That's just silly. People live as they know how to live, and if Alberta homosexuals are in the habit of being more discrete than their Toronto counterparts, a new law isn't going to change the way people live their lives overnight. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
theloniusfleabag Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 Dear kimmy, a new law isn't going to change the way people live their lives overnight.Well said. It won't make more homos, either, contrary to popular fear. Quote Would the Special Olympics Committee disqualify kids born with flippers from the swimming events?
crazymf Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 IMT. You weren't born in Alberta were you? I'm thinking Ontario, or Quebec? Go to school there for a while perhaps? Well, I wouldn't say it was ever "ok," exactly. Anyway, there is a rather large disconnect between a group that murdered millions of people, and individuals who want to marry whoever they are in love with. My point was that when a single group of people start imposing their beliefs and values on society, and become powerful enough to legislate it, things can change dramatically. Quote The trouble with the legal profession is that 98% of its members give the rest a bad name. Don't be humble - you're not that great. Golda Meir
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 You weren't born in Alberta were you? I'm thinking Ontario, or Quebec? Go to school there for a while perhaps? I was born and raised in Toryland. I've never been east of Manitoba. My point was that when a single group of people start imposing their beliefs and values on society, and become powerful enough to legislate it, things can change dramatically. I disagree with desciribing ssm in that way. Nothing has been imposed on society. Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
Guest eureka Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 I am not sure that I would agree with you, Kimmy. It is pretty basic psychology to know that attacks will increase with the raising of the profile of the issue. All kinds of behaviour intensifies with increasing stress levels and publicity. Quote
kimmy Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 I am not sure that I would agree with you, Kimmy. It is pretty basic psychology to know that attacks will increase with the raising of the profile of the issue. All kinds of behaviour intensifies with increasing stress levels and publicity. I disagree that the issue has become higher profile. It has been high controversy for months. If anything, this latest development should allow it to fade from the spotlight as it should have been allowed to months ago. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
crazymf Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 IMT If I said the sky was blue, could we at least agree on that and go from there?? Quote The trouble with the legal profession is that 98% of its members give the rest a bad name. Don't be humble - you're not that great. Golda Meir
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 IMTIf I said the sky was blue, could we at least agree on that and go from there?? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm. Blue where? Some places its probably pretty black atm. Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
crazymf Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 I suspected that. Fuddle duddle to you. Quote The trouble with the legal profession is that 98% of its members give the rest a bad name. Don't be humble - you're not that great. Golda Meir
Argus Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 Alberta isn't red-neck and anti-gay. Only our government is. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Over 90% of the people I know are anti-gay, and about 60% of those people haven't lived on a farm in their lives (and I have lived here 18 years in the same Lethbridge and surrounding area) Ninety percent of the people I know are anti-gay too, and I live in Ottawa and most of my friends are civil servants. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 Hmm. Can't we just ship the separatists off to antarctica to start a colony instead? Think of all the extra land mass they'd get that way! And its not like its going to melt away... thats just a myth! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fine with me. Let's start with all the Quebec seperatists - that's about 55% of the Francophone population, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Redneck Yokel Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 I disagree with desciribing ssm in that way. Nothing has been imposed on society. You mean OTHER than having to deal with the rallies, parades, and general outcries being thrown at us from every angle? Quote
Hawk Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 And whats your point? 'Alberta isn't red-neck and anti-gay. Only our government is.' Whats yours? I guess you don't like to answer to your own point form? Yes, thats right. Its means that I'm sophisticated and wordly. Possibly, oh wait its not because your an Albertan =) Sorry. Oh, and I was implying more that Edmonton has always been the most Liberal place in Alberta and, thus far, has had the most gay marriages. Quote The only thing more confusing than a blonde is a Liberal Check this out - http://www.republicofalberta.com/ - http://albertarepublicans.org/ "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy (1917 - 1963)
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 24, 2005 Report Posted July 24, 2005 Whats yours? I guess you don't like to answer to your own point form? My point is that: Albertans aren't red-neck and anti-gay on the whole, but our government is. Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
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