Fidel Castro on Forbes' Richest list

[Hugo]

Forbes

Right after Queen Elizabeth II. Excerpt:

Fidel Castro

President, Cuba

$550 million

Cuba's socialist dictator-for-life derives his fortune from a web of state-owned businesses. Among his profit-generating operations: El Palacio de Convenciones, a convention center near Havana; retail conglomerate CIMEX; and Medicuba, which sells vaccines and other pharmaceuticals produced in Cuba. Castro has ruled the impoverished nation of 11 million since his revolutionary army ousted Fulgencio Batista in 1959. Travels exclusively in a convoy of black Mercedes-Benzes. Sold state-owned Havana Club rum to French liquor giant Pernod Ricard for $50 million in 1993. At age 78, Castro continues to rage against the U.S. Last year he banned the use of American dollars as currency in Cuba and imposed a 10% exchange fee for tourists.

Viva la revolucion.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Hugo,

Not sure what your point is here, apart from a political leader being hypocritical. Does the Queen of England earn her fortune? Is Queen Beatrix a tyrant because she has personal wealth attributed to her by virtue of being head of state? Why was the Pope not on this list? (Perhaps he is not the head of state for Vatican City, but the wealth of the church is astronomical) How about the Bush family? Not sure what their fortune stands at, but if the PM of Thailand can have his wealth held by the family, GW Bush must be worth a few hundred million.

As to the mercedes benz convoys, I would expect that it is for security reasons. Even the pope got shot....

[caesar]

At age 78, Castro continues to rage against the U.S. Last year he banned the use of American dollars as currency in Cuba and imposed a 10% exchange fee for tourists.

Not as much as Bush and co rage against Cuba; what should he do; thank them. geesh

Tell the USA to Yankee go home; get out of Cuba

[ft.niagara]

Time is not on his (Castro's) side. Because he is dictator for LIFE, the world will get to savor his decline in public. Maybe at 85 he can give one of his three hour rants, standing up. Like with Arafat, in the end, the US will get to PRIVATELY snicker. I wonder what he will do with all his money. He'll probably take it with him.

[caesar]

And just what does the USA have to snicker about. If I were a USA citizen with a president like Bush I would hang my head in shame and embarrassment.

Cuba is not attacking other countries; Tell your USA government to leave Cuban soil; they are not welcome there.

[waynej625]

And I wouldn't go there if the trips were being offered free of charge. Any money spent in Cuba goes to Fidel not to the people who earn it. Why would anybody support a country like Cuba, that enslaves it's own people?

Caeser; You rant on about the USA, but at least the people in the USA are free to say what they please, even if it is about the government. In Cuba, these same people would be imprisoned or worse. Nobody dares speak out against Fidel, they know better. Every year Cubans are attempting to get to the US by the boat-load, so I guess it can't be as bad as you make out.

Someone in another rant talked about Kent State referring to how the US Government dealt with uprising's, when Canada is not one bit better, or have we all forgotten Chretien's stormtrooper's (RCMP), and their tear-gasing and beating peaceful protestors at the G-8 Summit in BC a while back. No Canada has nothing to brag about when it comes to being tolerent of protestors right's to gather and express their displeasure with government.

[Hugo]

Not sure what your point is here, apart from a political leader being hypocritical.

The point is that Castro, who portrays himself as a hero for the working man, is nothing more than a thief and a thug. Comparisons to George W. or QEII are irrelevant. We could compare them all to Hitler or Stalin and they'd all come out (relatively) smelling of roses, but what use is that? I don't believe in excusing criminals just because they aren't alone in the world.

[caesar]

Caeser; You rant on about the USA, but at least the people in the USA are free to say what they please, even if it is about the government. In Cuba, these same people would be imprisoned or worse. Nobody dares speak out against Fidel, they know better. Every year Cubans are attempting to get to the US by the boat-load, so I guess it can't be as bad as you make out.

Are you sure people are that free anymore in the USA???

I would wager that there are many more Mexicans still sneaking into the USA to work illegally. Cubans are even poorer than the Mexicans ever were, So some people think the grass is greener on the other side. I have friends that have gone to visit in Cuba several times; the people are happy and friendly. Cuba is much better off than they were under the USA backed Batista government. Cuba is not invading any other countries.

[moderateamericain]

Caeser; You rant on about the USA, but at least the people in the USA are free to say what they please, even if it is about the government. In Cuba, these same people would be imprisoned or worse. Nobody dares speak out against Fidel, they know better. Every year Cubans are attempting to get to the US by the boat-load, so I guess it can't be as bad as you make out.

Are you sure people are that free anymore in the USA???

I would wager that there are many more Mexicans still sneaking into the USA to work illegally. Cubans are even poorer than the Mexicans ever were, So some people think the grass is greener on the other side. I have friends that have gone to visit in Cuba several times; the people are happy and friendly. Cuba is much better off than they were under the USA backed Batista government. Cuba is not invading any other countries.

people are happy here in the US, too whats your point? cuba is a shithole they have almost non-exsistent personal freedom, thats why boatloads of em string together rafts and try to make it to florida. Have you ever lived in the US?

[caesar]

people are happy here in the US, too whats your point? cuba is a shithole they have almost non-exsistent personal freedom, thats why boatloads of em string together rafts and try to make it to florida. Have you ever lived in the US?

Some people in the USA are happy; not too friendly to tourists. I would never live in the USA; even prior to Bush. I did used to travel into the USA frequently but haven't gone for about 5 years now. My son was recruited for a position in

Florida at a much higher rate of pay but quickly declined the offer.

Americans who speak up against their government may not end up in jails but they do tend to have their reputations trashed. Ramsey Clarke former attorney general: Nutcase???? Scott Ritter pedophile. The USA illegally imprisons many people. Quatanamo

[WageSlave]

Caeser; You rant on about the USA, but at least the people in the USA are free to say what they please, even if it is about the government. In Cuba, these same people would be imprisoned or worse. Nobody dares speak out against Fidel, they know better. Every year Cubans are attempting to get to the US by the boat-load, so I guess it can't be as bad as you make out.

Are you sure people are that free anymore in the USA???

I would wager that there are many more Mexicans still sneaking into the USA to work illegally. Cubans are even poorer than the Mexicans ever were, So some people think the grass is greener on the other side. I have friends that have gone to visit in Cuba several times; the people are happy and friendly. Cuba is much better off than they were under the USA backed Batista government. Cuba is not invading any other countries.

people are happy here in the US, too whats your point? cuba is a shithole they have almost non-exsistent personal freedom, thats why boatloads of em string together rafts and try to make it to florida. Have you ever lived in the US?

Personal freedom eh?

No they don't have the personal freedom to beat their wives, buy big trucks, or support imperialism. Boo hoo!

They do however have the freedom to become doctors, to relax without starvation, and to care about the poor.

[IrishAndProud]

Hi Guys. We here in Ireland and the Uk are "kind of" brought up in our lives with the understanding that communism and socialism is a bad thing. Though it is definately not a crime to be a communist\socialist because people here in the UK Ireland have fairly open minds. People who denounce socialism probably couldn't tell you anything about it nor could they tell you that Cuba has the highest standard of Education in the World. There is a Doctor to every 4 citizens on the Island. Before the revolution 80% of Cubans were illiterate. Cuba's Education system has been acknowledged as the best by the World education authorities. It also has the greatest Health system in the world also acknowledged as that. This is due to socialism. America and American big business cannot handle this because people in America work hard but and the end of the day they still have to pay for their education which still isn't great and their Health care which isn't great either (unless you have money). Its simple in America that Big Business rule America. If you live in America and you get cancer and you don't have money then you will die. It's as simple as that It's every mans duty to look after his brother. Americans call Marxists Lenists this evil but if you take the time to get over your predudices you can see that Marx and Lenin never did it for them (as an individual) but they did it for us. They wanted free health care, and free education but once they died we entered the Stalinist eara which we can still see today in North korea, Cuba and China. This isn't proper socialism. Socialism won't have this dictator that we see today. Castro is in the position were America is just bullying it with embargos and economic sanctions against countries who deal with it. The people of the world can see that free education and healthcare is available as long you work hard. America hates this idea so it poisons its own people against the idea. I can't really say whether I would like to live in a socialist world but I do know that Forbes has simply did this in conjunction with the American goverment to erode Fidels great reputation. People flee to Miama because they don't agree with Fidel. But the the vast majority of Cubans love what Castro has given them. The chance to be inteligent human beings and to live long lives. You want freedom of speech so we can have the Bushistes come in and talk capitalism? I have a job and I am comfortable but for my kids sake I hope that we in the rest of the world don't adopt this American way of life. I urge those who dispise Marxism or Lenin to actually read Lenin or Marx and I urge those socialist who believe Fidel to be this great man to think again. Fidel is a genius in comparison with every American president that every lived. He has his many good points but also some bad points. Some very bad points.

[Hugo]

You don't post on Babble under the moniker "Fidel", do you?

People who denounce socialism probably couldn't tell you anything about it nor could they tell you that Cuba has the highest standard of Education in the World.

Based on what? I think you'll find that Far Eastern schools are better.

There is a Doctor to every 4 citizens on the Island.

Most of them serve healthcare tourists and Party officials. Cubans describe their system as "healthcare apartheid." Healthcare for the average Cuban is pretty terrible. Since Castro took power, Cuban life expectancy has gone from the best in Latin America to among the worst.

They wanted free health care, and free education but once they died we entered the Stalinist eara which we can still see today in North korea, Cuba and China. This isn't proper socialism.

The fact is that the decline into Stalinist dictatorships is an inevitable consequence of socialism. State planning of the economy is basically a vast manifestation of coercive power: you get to tell people where to work, where to live, what to eat, what to drink, where to relax, etc. People drawn to the role of making these decisions are overwhelmingly going to be people with a lust for power, and the lust for power does not accompany traits like compassion and honesty, but ones like ruthlessness, selfishness and greed. Marx basically didn't understand human nature. Socialism basically assumes that human nature can be wished away and that "New Socialist Man" can be created.

I do know that Forbes has simply did this in conjunction with the American goverment to erode Fidels great reputation.

Oh? Which parts aren't true?

People flee to Miama because they don't agree with Fidel.

And when they do, I guarantee you they never see anyone pass them going to Havana. At least, not unless they're forced to at gunpoint, like Elian Gonzalez.

But the the vast majority of Cubans love what Castro has given them.

It could also just be that they lack the cojones to get on an inner tube and float to Florida, braving not only the sea but Castro's security forces, who generally shoot anybody they find floating in the water.

But the the vast majority of Cubans love what Castro has given them.

Perhaps you should go there and try to talk to a few when the secret police aren't watching. It's a culture of fear. Castro just finished a big roundup of intellectuals and critics who were all thrown in jail to serve decades-long sentences.

I urge those who dispise Marxism or Lenin to actually read Lenin or Marx

If you want to read a load of rubbish full of holes and omissions pick up a trashy novel at the airport. It's less boring too.

Fidel is a genius in comparison with every American president that every lived.

The same could be said of Hitler.

He has his many good points but also some bad points. Some very bad points.

Yeah, I'd say that murdering thousands of people was a pretty "bad point" too. The question is whether or not his dubious "achievements" were worth the price of thousands of human lives.

[IrishAndProud]

Why would you not go there? Even if it was for free?

And just what does the USA have to snicker about.  If I were a USA citizen with a president like Bush I would hang my head in shame and embarrassment.

Cuba is not attacking other countries;  Tell your USA government to leave Cuban soil;  they are not welcome there.

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[IrishAndProud]

What about the huge numbers of homeless people in society. America has a lot of rich people. Why don't they give up some money? Cause their selfish.

You bring your war to Iraq. For democracy? Why don't you great Americans take your War to China? Why? Why do you pick on the small oil rich countries. Productions of Opium has gone though the roof in Afgahistan and Iraq will indeed turn into another Northern Ireland. An imperialistic War?

You know why America hates Cuba. You know why. Because Cuba was the first Latin American state to successfully stand up to the Bully of America. Why should America profit from Cuba's sugar industry. America cut its ties with Cuba after it took the sugar mills and kicked esso and Texaco out. America has its hands in everybodys elses country making profit from that countries natural resources. Read the history of Latin America my friend. America has backed every method to overthrow govermments or plans for Latin Americans to nationalise their own natural resources.

If you honestly believe that it is fair for Latin Americans to live in poverty while organisations like the United fruit company drain these countries of their money then I truely belive I am talking to an evil man.

Marx didn't go against how humans truely react in the world environment. People only take what they need. The simplest example for your small brain is "your American, you have lots of money. You go to the supermarket. You buy what you need. Little bit more, little bit less. All the same you buy only what you need". This is true human nature shinning through you. If i could see you cringe now because I know that you know I am right. Please don't give me this lame excuse "" some food goes out of date". We have all grown up in a capitalist world but as human beings we will only take what we need. In this capitalist society of waste people like yourself believe that we are all out for ourselves and thats it. Wake up you selfish selfish man.

I can't except when people like you say this is the way of the world and we should simply except it. I will except your way of life and your point of view because I can see why people can be attracted to it but to say Marx and Lenin were evil and what they wrote was rubbish is simply someone who has never read Marx or Lenin just making a narrow minded comment.

I was brought up much like an American. I was told to hate the other side. I was a protestant and I was told to hate the catholics. Ye know when I was younger I did. But when I got older I discovered I was lied to. There was nothing wrong with the other side. Many of the other side had done bad things but why say they are all bad? Same as Marxism. Stalin was terrible but ye know it doesnt mean Marxists are.

You don't post on Babble under the moniker "Fidel", do you?

People who denounce socialism probably couldn't tell you anything about it nor could they tell you that Cuba has the highest standard of Education in the World.

Based on what? I think you'll find that Far Eastern schools are better.

There is a Doctor to every 4 citizens on the Island.

Most of them serve healthcare tourists and Party officials. Cubans describe their system as "healthcare apartheid." Healthcare for the average Cuban is pretty terrible. Since Castro took power, Cuban life expectancy has gone from the best in Latin America to among the worst.

They wanted free health care, and free education but once they died we entered the Stalinist eara which we can still see today in North korea, Cuba and China. This isn't proper socialism.

The fact is that the decline into Stalinist dictatorships is an inevitable consequence of socialism. State planning of the economy is basically a vast manifestation of coercive power: you get to tell people where to work, where to live, what to eat, what to drink, where to relax, etc. People drawn to the role of making these decisions are overwhelmingly going to be people with a lust for power, and the lust for power does not accompany traits like compassion and honesty, but ones like ruthlessness, selfishness and greed. Marx basically didn't understand human nature. Socialism basically assumes that human nature can be wished away and that "New Socialist Man" can be created.

I do know that Forbes has simply did this in conjunction with the American goverment to erode Fidels great reputation.

Oh? Which parts aren't true?

People flee to Miama because they don't agree with Fidel.

And when they do, I guarantee you they never see anyone pass them going to Havana. At least, not unless they're forced to at gunpoint, like Elian Gonzalez.

But the the vast majority of Cubans love what Castro has given them.

It could also just be that they lack the cojones to get on an inner tube and float to Florida, braving not only the sea but Castro's security forces, who generally shoot anybody they find floating in the water.

But the the vast majority of Cubans love what Castro has given them.

Perhaps you should go there and try to talk to a few when the secret police aren't watching. It's a culture of fear. Castro just finished a big roundup of intellectuals and critics who were all thrown in jail to serve decades-long sentences.

I urge those who dispise Marxism or Lenin to actually read Lenin or Marx

If you want to read a load of rubbish full of holes and omissions pick up a trashy novel at the airport. It's less boring too.

Fidel is a genius in comparison with every American president that every lived.

The same could be said of Hitler.

He has his many good points but also some bad points. Some very bad points.

Yeah, I'd say that murdering thousands of people was a pretty "bad point" too. The question is whether or not his dubious "achievements" were worth the price of thousands of human lives.

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[IrishAndProud]

I'm actually looking at your reply. If you had any education at all you would see what you just wrote is rubish. If you even check out the CIA 's world faCTBOOK. tHIS IS AN AMERICAN telling you that the average 76.25 years? I could be here all night rubbishing your comments. What is the average age of the american after all that cheesecake and porkcops? An obesity epidemic? Which leaves the neutral question of would you rather die of too much food or too little food. Cubans have food problems but is anyone dieing of lack of food? Nooooo. But in American people are definately not dieing of no food.

[IrishAndProud]

The average cuban wommen will live to 80 will the man 76. And you try and say that some doctors are worth less than others? Becasue they are tourist doctors? Rubbish. A doctor is a doctor wether he be German American cuban or spanish or whatever. Receiveing a doctor in any country is equally as difficult. It just annoys you because Cubans are intelligent and you my friend are obviously not.

[Hugo]

What about the huge numbers of homeless people in society. America has a lot of rich people. Why don't they give up some money? Cause their selfish.

You bring your war to Iraq. For democracy? Why don't you great Americans take your War to China?

I don't know where you draw your assertions that I support the American socialist state. Erroneously stereotyping your opponents doesn't get you any points.

Marx didn't go against how humans truely react in the world environment.

What's New Socialist Man, then?

People only take what they need.

No, they take as much as they want limited by how much they can get. "Need" is subjective. This is why economists typically talk of want-needs rather than needs.

We have all grown up in a capitalist world

Only if you're over 100 years old, you have. Capitalism ended with WWI.

to say Marx and Lenin were evil and what they wrote was rubbish is simply someone who has never read Marx or Lenin just making a narrow minded comment.

What works of Marx and Lenin have you read? Perhaps you can give me your interpretation of the Marxist views on women and Jews.

Stalin was terrible but ye know it doesnt mean Marxists are.

No answer to my point about how Stalin is the inevitable product of socialism, then.

If you even check out the CIA 's world faCTBOOK. tHIS IS AN AMERICAN telling you that the average 76.25 years?

The CIA facts are drawn from official government figures. Given the paranoia and hubris of the Cuban government I highly doubt these figures are accurate. What empirical evidence can be gathered away from the secret police paints a very different picture.

It just annoys you because Cubans are intelligent and you my friend are obviously not.

I know I'm intelligent enough to write coherent, comprehensible English without littering it with spelling and grammatical errors.

[IrishAndProud]

Why do you not attack George W or QEii? Simple question.

Not sure what your point is here, apart from a political leader being hypocritical.

The point is that Castro, who portrays himself as a hero for the working man, is nothing more than a thief and a thug. Comparisons to George W. or QEII are irrelevant. We could compare them all to Hitler or Stalin and they'd all come out (relatively) smelling of roses, but what use is that? I don't believe in excusing criminals just because they aren't alone in the world.

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[IrishAndProud]

You don't like Castro. You don't like Marx. You don't like Lenin. Who do you like? That isn't a trick question. I'm simply curious. I give you american evidence and you say how can that be reliable because of Cuba's secret police etc etc. Well then how can anything you said tonight be true if everything from Cuba is sooo untrue. You have simply shot yourself in the foot. Anyway I never entered myself into an English exam rather a forum were spelling mistakes and abriahitions and slang are ok with me? I do apologise. But please tell me what you think. You think Capitalism is the way of the world, the way of human nature. What are your views of America and its stance on the world? I won't say it's rubbish. It is your point of view. I would rather know were you are comming from so I can understand. What is it about Marx you hate so much?

[IrishAndProud]

Here are some reasons why me and everybody else on thiss site is in stiches laughing at you

You thought America was a socialist state.

You thought capitalism died around WWI

You come up with your evidence as FACTS about Cuba but then you say aaaa but

can Cuban info be trusted in its figures?.

I feel rather childish when I have a giggle to myself here but every1else is giggling WITH me aswell SO ITS OK

[Hugo]

Why do you not attack George W or QEii? Simple question.

I do. I'm an anarchist, I'm an enemy of all aggression and coercion.

You don't like Castro. You don't like Marx. You don't like Lenin. Who do you like?

Murray Rothbard, David Friedman, Lew Rockwell, Lysander Spooner, Henry Thoreau, etc.

I give you american evidence and you say how can that be reliable because of Cuba's secret police etc etc. Well then how can anything you said tonight be true if everything from Cuba is sooo untrue.

Strawman. I didn't say everything from Cuba is sooo untrue. I said that the Cuban government has a track record of oppression, murder and outright lying, so anything they say has to be taken with, at the very least, a huge grain of salt.

Anyway I never entered myself into an English exam rather a forum were spelling mistakes and abriahitions and slang are ok with me? I do apologise.

It contravenes the forum rules, so try and be comprehensible.

What are your views of America and its stance on the world?

I think America is basically a socialist state, with a big, oppressive government and a distinctly imperialist foreign policy, and a neomercantilist economic stance.

More to follow...

[Hugo]

What is it about Marx you hate so much?

His politics are driven by envy and greed. His view of history is woefully myopic and dimwitted. His theories display a lack of comprehension for human nature, a blinkered view of reality, and a gross misunderstanding of economics. He fails to reject violence and oppression.

You thought America was a socialist state.

The American government runs a third of the American economy, a lot more than the Chinese government runs. It maintains a big military. It uses the judicial system to further its own power. It suppresses freedom of speech. It uses national symbols as a tool of State power. What else is there?

You thought capitalism died around WWI

With WWI came the abandonment of the gold standard, the imposition of massive trade tarriffs, heavy taxes, government control of the economy, conscription, the end of freedom of speech and opinion, mercantilism, the military-industrial complex and so forth. All of those things are profoundly anticapitalist.

You come up with your evidence as FACTS about Cuba but then you say aaaa but can Cuban info be trusted in its figures?.

What's wrong with that? Did you believe the Chinese government when they reported bumper harvests as 30 million Chinese starved to death? You're telling me it is completely unknown for governments, especially Communist ones, to cook the books?

Where have you been?

I feel rather childish when I have a giggle to myself here but every1else is giggling WITH me aswell SO ITS OK

I'm happy to amuse you. When you can stop laughing long enough to actually form a counter-argument, let me know!

[IrishAndProud]

Your an anarchist but you denounce Marx. Absolutely ridiculous. The end product of a true socialist state will be anarchy. Its just a very uneducated statement to say that socialism will be this monster were peoples lives will be controlled. You take your thoughts from stalinist regimes. If you knew anything about Marx or socialism then we wouldnt be having this conversation. You wanted me to tell you Marx's thoughts on Jews and wommen. OK, Marx's family were Jews. His father did change his religion but his grandfather and uncles were all Rabi's. I think Marx was certainly in a position were he could criticise Jews or say whatever he wanted on them. As for wommen well when Karls daughter and Wife died everybody who knew Marx said that was basically the nail in his own coffin. By your talk Marx would have been happy to see two women leave this earth. Don't lecture me on something you know nothing about. You pick bits of Marxism that you don't like but you don't even understand it. In reply to your last statemnet: it does not constitute socialism simply when the goverment owns a large proportion of business. If you had any intelligence you would know that. Again I'm sure everybody here on this site was having agiggle when they read that line of yours. I don't denounce anarchy because it is possible but only through Marx. After all this bickering I am sure me and yourself have a lot of views that are similar but we obviously don't agree how to get to that position. I will read of these people you speak of but I won't rubbish them. Anarchy (debateable which way to achieve) is possible. I've met anarchists before and its just a simple case of they don't like this they don't like that but none can come up with a clear alternative.

[Hugo]

Your an anarchist but you denounce Marx. Absolutely ridiculous.

Ah, so you don't know what you're talking about. Otherwise you'd know the difference between anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-capitalism. This is very amusing, since you accuse me of ignorance and stupidity, yet I have read all of your influences and you aren't even aware that mine exist. In fact, you haven't even read your own influences.

The end product of a true socialist state will be anarchy.

This is impossible. Creating an ever-bigger state does not lead to the abolition of the state. It creates a ruling elite whose power becomes ever greater and whose interests become inescapably intertwined with the health and vitality of the big, oppressive state. As it grows, those who have the power to abolish it will become fundamentally opposed to its abolition.

You take your thoughts from stalinist regimes. If you knew anything about Marx or socialism then we wouldnt be having this conversation.

I've given the argument. Respond to it if you will, but don't pretend you're so smart when you can't even come up with a semblance of a rebuttal.

You wanted me to tell you Marx's thoughts on Jews and wommen. OK, Marx's family were Jews. His father did change his religion but his grandfather and uncles were all Rabi's. I think Marx was certainly in a position were he could criticise Jews or say whatever he wanted on them.

That doesn't answer the question. I asked you what your interpretation was of Marx's views on Jews, not what your understanding of his family background was.

As for wommen well when Karls daughter and Wife died everybody who knew Marx said that was basically the nail in his own coffin. By your talk Marx would have been happy to see two women leave this earth.

OK, so you don't know anything about Marx's views on women either. So far you're 0 for 2, and the "ignorant" anarchist knows a lot more about Marx than the so-called Marxist.

In reply to your last statemnet: it does not constitute socialism simply when the goverment owns a large proportion of business.

Socialism is the transitionary period between capitalism and communism. The US government controls a third of the US economy. This percentage has steadily grown since 1865. Therefore, the US is socialist, by Marxist logic, since Marx calls for the State to take control of more and more of the economy, both by taking control of business and by directing the economy with controls on prices, wages, labour and so forth.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't denounce anarchy because it is possible but only through Marx.

As I've demonstrated, Marxism makes anarchy impossible.

I will read of these people you speak of

I doubt it. You haven't even read Marx, and he's your hero.

I've met anarchists before and its just a simple case of they don't like this they don't like that but none can come up with a clear alternative.

Read Murray Rothbard's Libertarian Manifesto before you start slinging insults against things you have absolutely no knowledge of.

You really are a joke. This is a serious forum. Come back in a few years when you're out of the sandbox and have actually read a few books. Marxism might sound like a great idea in your high-school, but please, learn at least a little about it before you start shouting that you're a Communist. You just embarrass yourself.