Canadian provincial separarism

[The Terrible Sweal]

Here's an idea. For provinces wishing to leave Canada -- let the provincial government BUY the territory and sovereignty at a price representing the fair markt value as though the territory were being sold to another state.

Then the feds could distribute a special dividend to remaining Canadians.

[bbacon]

Do you not believe in the constitution? The Provinces belong to the people of each Province and to no one else. The crown only manages them on behalf of the true owners which happens to be the individual citizens of each and every Province. In fact Ottawa does not even own the land that the Parliament buildings sit on or the land that the flag pole sits on, it belongs to the citizens of the Province of Ontario.

[The Terrible Sweal]

The Provinces belong to the people of each Province and to no one else.

You're mistaken, I'm afraid. In fact, the crown-in-right-of-Canada is sovereign over the whole territory of Canada, and every citizen shares the same right to each and all parts of it.

[bbacon]

My My Terrible Squeal I can understand you being afraid but that is ok, you will be ok. Now then Section 91 of the BNA lists those things which belong to the Parliament sitting at the City of Ottawa Ontario. Section 92 of the BNA Act lists those things which are the exclusive jurisdiction of the Provinces. The Queen is indivisible, this has already been argued and settled in the SOC and the Privy Council. Which means in layman's terms that the Appointed GG at the City of Ottawa Province of Ontario has exclusive jurisdiction of those items listed under Section 91 of the BNA Act, and the Lt. Gov. residing in any Province has jurisdiction of all items under section 92 of the BNA Act. These rubber stamp monarchs serve at the pleasure of the Premier/Prime Ministers. The people of the Provinces automatically inherited all soveriegn right with the signing of The Statute of Westminister 1931 by His Imperial Majesty and the Office of the United Colony of Canada at Pottawa. Since that time the Sovereign of Gr. Brit. has legally had nothing to do with her former Colony and all Sovereign and Common Law Right reverted to all the Provinces automatically and resides in the people of the Provinces awaiting their action. All GG since 1931 have been appointed by the Premier of Ottawa there is no legal link to Britain or the Crown of England. The people possess the land and have this possession by the Ancient Right of Emminent Domain. And finally the King's Writ extends only as far as the King's Muskets.

[B. Max]

The Provinces belong to the people of each Province and to no one else.

You're mistaken, I'm afraid. In fact, the crown-in-right-of-Canada is sovereign over the whole territory of Canada, and every citizen shares the same right to each and all parts of it.

The fact is, that when alberta leaves you will have no say in the matter what soever, never mind laying any claim to alberta's territory. Unless of course you are an albertan.

[caesar]

bye bye; don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[B. Max]

bye bye; don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Oh damn i forgot. Because of albertans exorbintant contribution to a country that we've had no say in, and only found our selves dodging one bullet after another from the easts government, we will consider any debt to said country, paid in full. Bye bye.

[I Miss Trudeau]

Bye bye.

Bye bye!

OH, and by the way... be sure to leave 90% of the provinces oil and arable land for the 90% of Albertans waving you off while staying behind. Good luck out there!

[caesar]

Yes, I am sure most Albertans; are not really interested in leaving Canada and being an even smaller pebble on the beach. Canada is too small now as an entity; how much influence would little land locked Alberta have? Quit the whining; and let's start working together.

[bbacon]

I assume by working together you mean you will support a Republic. No rubber stamp phony Monarch. A SOC that is made up of candidates selected by the Provinces alone. A real constitution putting severe limits on government and making the rights of the Individual paramount. A country with property rights that are real and protected. A directly elected PM, not one that is elected by only 30,000 voters. A directly elected head of state not a CBC flake appointed for us as a rubber stamp to do the bidding of a Premier/Prime Minister who is not mentioned in the Constitution. A country were the Parliament of the City of Ottawa obeys the constitution and does not trample on Provincial rights and jurisdiction. If you can work together on these things Canada might continue for awhile.

[Digby]

If I was an albertan , Id want out .

I don't know how they take it , Haveing to put up with Quebec Governing the Country .

Ontario seems to also just stay in agreement with the crooked liberals as they just don't want a western prime minister.

I don't understand why this east coast stays liberal .I suspect nobody even thinks here when voteing . They all vote liberal because their grandfathers Father voted liberal .

Here on the East Coast , its mostly just what their grandfather taught them to vote that matters.

I wonder if I could move to Alberta just before they seperate? What will I Do out There with no Ocean?

[Iknowbest]

FYI The Provinces are a creature of the Federal Government and The Municipalities are a creature of the Provinces. In the line of enacted laws or by-laws the law that prevails in the end is Federal Law above all other laws.

Also If Quebec would separate then Prince Ruperts Land would return to CANADA not to any Province. It means that whats left of Quebec is about 23% of its current size. The Hydro-electric souce in James Bay would be the property of Canada. In short Haiti is the place to go or be rather than Quebec if that should happen but it won't because Quebec continues to rip off this country with their superficial threat of separation. That is the only reason why Quebec controls Canada.

Any land in Canada does not belong to ahem the local land owner. The land owner is the Federal Government. I don't like that but there is nothing that I can do about it nor anyone else.

There have been over the years different interpretations of ownership of land in this country but in the end the Feds prevail.

[The Terrible Sweal]

My My Terrible Squeal I can understand you being afraid but that is ok, you will be ok. Now then Section 91 of the BNA lists those things which belong to the Parliament sitting at the City of Ottawa Ontario. Section 92 of the BNA Act lists those things which are the exclusive jurisdiction of the Provinces. The Queen is indivisible, this has already been argued and settled in the SOC and the Privy Council. Which means in layman's terms that the Appointed GG at the City of Ottawa Province of Ontario has exclusive jurisdiction of those items listed under Section 91 of the BNA Act, and the Lt. Gov. residing in any Province has jurisdiction of all items under section 92 of the BNA Act. These rubber stamp monarchs serve at the pleasure of the Premier/Prime Ministers. The people of the Provinces automatically inherited all soveriegn right with the signing of The Statute of Westminister 1931 by His Imperial Majesty and the Office of the United Colony of Canada at Pottawa. Since that time the Sovereign of Gr. Brit. has legally had nothing to do with her former Colony and all Sovereign and Common Law Right reverted to all the Provinces automatically and resides in the people of the Provinces awaiting their action. All GG since 1931 have been appointed by the Premier of Ottawa there is no legal link to Britain or the Crown of England. The people possess the land and have this possession by the Ancient Right of Emminent Domain. And finally the King's Writ extends only as far as the King's Muskets.

Fantasy and ignorance are poor bases for you to try to conduct a discussion.

You have a faulty understanding of the consequences of division of powers. The Crown stands before the division.

But I doubt that any amount of information will sway you, so I'll decline to waste my time. Cheers.

[B. Max]

There have been over the years different interpretations of ownership of land in this country but in the end the Feds prevail.

Well that's the thing that wars are made of. Any attempt at a federal land grab would be meant with the full fury of albertans. Something i think the east would not have the stomach for.

[B. Max]

My My Terrible Squeal I can understand you being afraid but that is ok, you will be ok. Now then Section 91 of the BNA lists those things which belong to the Parliament sitting at the City of Ottawa Ontario. Section 92 of the BNA Act lists those things which are the exclusive jurisdiction of the Provinces. The Queen is indivisible, this has already been argued and settled in the SOC and the Privy Council. Which means in layman's terms that the Appointed GG at the City of Ottawa Province of Ontario has exclusive jurisdiction of those items listed under Section 91 of the BNA Act, and the Lt. Gov. residing in any Province has jurisdiction of all items under section 92 of the BNA Act. These rubber stamp monarchs serve at the pleasure of the Premier/Prime Ministers. The people of the Provinces automatically inherited all soveriegn right with the signing of The Statute of Westminister 1931 by His Imperial Majesty and the Office of the United Colony of Canada at Pottawa.  Since that time the Sovereign of Gr. Brit. has legally had nothing to do with her former Colony and all Sovereign and Common Law Right reverted to all the Provinces automatically and resides in the people of the Provinces awaiting their action. All GG since 1931 have been appointed by the Premier of Ottawa there is no legal link to Britain or the Crown of England. The people possess the land and have this possession by the Ancient Right of Emminent Domain. And finally the King's Writ extends only as far as the King's Muskets.

Fantasy and ignorance are poor bases for you to try to conduct a discussion.

You have a faulty understanding of the consequences of division of powers. The Crown stands before the division.

But I doubt that any amount of information will sway you, so I'll decline to waste my time. Cheers.

You have no understanding of it what soever, nor does the eastern government respect it. That further drives alberta out of what has become a farce of a country that every day resembles more and more a third world despot run backwater.

[PocketRocket]

.......the true north strong and free, and stand on guard, oh Canada, we stand on guard for thee......

The sense of patriotic love of country displayed in this thread is truly heart-warming

[bbacon]

The King's Writ extends only as far as His Muskets. Ottawa has no muskets in fact they don't even have a Military in the true sense of the word anymore. I suspect the bedwetting Liberals would not be able to do much if Alberta or Quebec or NFLD for that matter decided to pull the plug on the ROC. A lot of handwringing and betwetting. Maybe the odd Little Squeal. If any of you bothered to read the BNA all the land and the resources in fact every blade of grass belongs to the Provinces and hence those who occupy the Provinces which would be the people of each Province. Be careful because Ottawa has been operating without a ratified constitution for a very long time. Not one single voter anywhere in Canada has ever sanctioned the hodge podge BNA Act or so called constitution. We are free to leave when ever we meaning the voters of a Province decide by a simple majority to pull the plug on Pottawa and the ROC. For example if Pottawa decides to bring in a Green/Carbon Tax on Alberta and causes problems in Alberta's Oil Patch I think Albertan's would heave out Pottawa and all things to do with the ROC. Alberta would go it without the Socialist Millstone on its back. In fact Alberta is rich enough to do that without any Income Tax or Property Tax being imposed, in fact if Albertan's start to wake up they would realise that without sending Foreign Aid to the ROC and Pottawa they would not need to charge these taxes right now.

[The Terrible Sweal]

You have no understanding of it what soever,

You amuse me, little man!

[B. Max]

You have no understanding of it what soever,

You amuse me, little man!

I can see you're out of ammo.

[kimmy]

greeeeeaaat idea for a thread, Terrible.

-kimmy

[The Terrible Sweal]

You have no understanding of it what soever,

You amuse me, little man!

I can see you're out of ammo.

Ammo? Don't be absurd.

What I'm out of are worthwhile targets.

[B. Max]

You have no understanding of it what soever,

You amuse me, little man!

I can see you're out of ammo.

Ammo? Don't be absurd.

What I'm out of are worthwhile targets.

More likely easy targets.

[Digby]

Maybe If Alberta was to seperate and stop sending money to pottawa ,They would have to Lay off about 1000 or so useless know nothing all powerfull beuracrates in DFO in Pottawa.

Might actually Save the east coast fishery if Alberta was to seperate.

[bbacon]

Maybe somebody in Canada should talk about Provincial Independence Parties. In June Quebec will set the stage for their next referendum. We have Independence Parties in Sask. Alberta, BC and we have a Western Bloc Federal Party forming right now which will include Manitoba, Sask, Alberta and BC. Something must be wrong for all this to be happening.