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I don't know much about vaccines but the CBC said that 74,000 people die at the hands of the Canadian Healthcare system every year. Maybe this is more important than gun control that the criminals somehow refuse to comply with and costs 2B taxdollars just to make Liberals feel like they are controlling people.

Cagey are you a civil servant or work for an ad firm?

Testimony given under a ban by Gomery is being leaked in the USA and it is very damning of the Liberal Corruption machine. The stink reaches very high and widespread. Word has it the BQ will rise in the House on Monday and challenge the Liberals with some or all of this info. It would be very good indeed to see Chretein/Martin in legirons. ** URL Removed By Admin ** Sorry folks, but I can't allow you to link to the "leaked" testimony in these forums. I'll also remind everyone that it is illegal for anyone in Canada to discuss the testimony publicly. Sorry, Greg Admin

Chairman Mo or Maurice Strong Paul Martin's Chief Advisor and Mentor. Former CEO of PowerCorp. The #2 at the UN next to Koffi Annus the author of the KYOTO Swindle. http://www.fathersforlife.org/doc/EarthWor...resentation.pdf

Ceasar you are an idiot, the only way the Liberals maintain there advantage is via allowing immigrants to vote before they know the facts. Immigration costs the taxpayer Billions in resettlement, most of them are not a benefit immediately. Canada takes to many immigrants now as it is, most of the family class immigrants do not work or pay taxes so should not have the right to a vote, it used to take 10 years to get citizenship in Canada and they had to be welfare and criminal free years. That is what we should return to. And they should not have a vote until they have been here 10 years. As for mobilty of citizens don't talk so stupid. The only ones who would not be allowed to move would be non citizens. The immigrants of family class should not have rights to any healthcare unless they pay for it themselves. As far as your worn out argument that only natives have rights BS. The natives lost the war and their rights transferred to the dominant European culture read your history dummy. The natives possessed very little of the land at all and the european culture was a great benefit to them all. They were a stone age culture without horses or steel and at the time the Eurpeans came here their numbers were very small, they have done very well living off the new culture.

You miss the point Trudeau. The reason for immigration is for the needs of the Provinces, not the needs of Pottawa to get votes. And since once the immigrant/refugee is released into a Province and the initial pittance is paid by Pottawa the taxpayers of said Province must pay the freight for evermore for said immigrant/refugee. Hence the immigration levels and needs should be set by the Province according to the numbers and skills needed in that Province not just Pottawa picking numbers and people willy nilly as they choose. This would also get rid of those who deal in human flesh the Immigration consultants. Remember Immigration is a priveledge and not a right. When said immigrant arrives in Canada they should not have voting rights at all until they have been here for 10 years and demonstrated that except in exceptional cases they have not been a burden on the tax payers of Canada. The extended family class were one good immigrant is selected and he then brings in uncles aunts brothers grandpa and cousins should end immediately most of these people do not honor their pledge to maintain their extended families. It should also be law that they recieve no free healthcare until they have paid taxes for at least 10 years and no free healthcare for any extended family members let them buy insurance. If they can't afford insurance they should not be here getting free healthcare at all.

Mulroney made the deal with Quebec about allowing Quebec to pick their own immigrants, that is true, but all Provinces should do the same. Quebec is right to do that.

Yah Martin's record as Finance Minister has never been beaten yet, he raised taxes further and faster than any other Finance Minister in the history of Canada. He also hid Billions in special funds that are beyond MP's scrutiny so he is also slimy and underhanded as well.

There is very little free and Independent Press or media at all in Canada. The Communist Broadcasting Corp. recieves 1.4B scarce tax dollars this year alone. All the other forms of media recieve tax dollars in subsidy or or tax breaks. I see no reason at all for the tax payer to subsidize any one of them left or right wing. Although I don't know of any right wing media sources in Canada. The CRTC should be completely shut down and disbanded, they just closed down CHOI radio in Quebec, if that is not state control what is, anyways why would anyone want to pay people to decide what they cannot see or hear, that sounds pretty Marxist to me. That kind of thinking does not belong in a so called democracy. The total public debt in Canada from these nanny state programs is about $4,000,000,000,000.00 dollars. Taxes have risen about 1300% since 1960's. We need less government in our lives and drastically lower taxes.

Blackdog Canadians are overtaxed plain and simple, even a man living in a cardboard tax pays taxes on the money he panhandled and used to buy tobacco so much for the left wings pantings on help the poor help the poor, when in reality they rob the poor. The heaviest taxed tho is the middle class.

Canada is way over regulated. In Canada with about 30m people we now have some 400,000 Pages of rules regulations and laws. That is ridiculous. It costs over 12b in tax dollars each year just to shuffle that paperwork from desk to desk. 400,000 pages of laws is a stack of paper so high you need an extention ladder to reach the top page.

The actual cost of c-68 is rapidly appraoching 2B tax dollars and there is not one documented case of it saving any lives whatsoever. More people die canoeing in Canada than are murdered by guns each year another Liberal Feel good idea that will not and has not worked. 2B taxdollars to harrass duck hunters and farmers is not money well spent.

At a time when the largest share of the middle class family budget goes to pay taxes I for one see no reason for a tax funded State Owned TV service. Taxes now consume more of the family budget than food, shelter, clothing and transportation in Canada. The CBC TV state propaganda machine consumes 1.4B in tax dollars a year in a thousand channel universe at the same time get rid of the CRTC I think anyone old enough to pay taxes is old enough to decide what to listen to and what they want to watch without the good comrades in Ottawa drawing fat paycheques and telling us what is good for us.

I find it very amusing but very telling to read some of the posts here describing Canadian politics or the Canadian system as democratic. Which country has the head of a foreign power as it's head of state. Which country's leader is elected by his own party and then elected by 30,000 voters in his own riding and proceeds to speak for 30,000,000 people. Which country then allows this person with a very small mandate 30,000 votes to appoint all their senators from a long list of flakes and cronies. Which country then allows this person to appoint all judges to the Supreme Court without any review at all. He then proceeds to make some 3,000 additional appointments including judges in all the provinces from his list of friends and supporters. He owns the National Police the RCMP because he appoints the head of the RCMP. The voters do not have equal votes the deck being stacked as well. It takes 4 votes from say Alberta to equal 1 vote from the east. As for those suggesting partition of the Provinces that would probably result in a lot of blood shed and is a very foolish thing to even suggest. Canada was never historically ran from the centre that started with the egomaniac Trudeau and will lead to the destruction of Canada. The country is just to big to be ridgidly controlled from the centre. The BNA Act although never a Canadian document the original belongs to a foreign power England is very clear in defining the powers All section 91 lays out what is the jurisdiction of the head of the United Colony of Canada. Section 92 lays out what is the jurisdiction of the Provinces. The problem is that Ottawa does not obey the law. The Provinces created Ottawa not Ottawa the Provinces. Ottawa does not even own the land that the Parliament buildings sit on the people of Ontario own that land. Last but not least the Premier of Canada at the City of Ottawa appoints his own Phony Rubber Stamp the GG to try and lend credibilty to the corruption that he is the Unelected King of, the United Colony of Canada. The very best thing for the ROC would be to support Quebec going Independent when the next referendum comes along in the next year or two. I know I will send my money and support.

The extended family class of immigrant is were most of the problems occur. One good immigrant gets in and is allowed to sponsor a long list of others, they are supposed to take responsibilty for these people but many don't and the taxpayer and healthcare systems are overwhelmed with them. I think extended family class immigration needs to be ended except in special cases. Immigration is a priveledge not a right.