Female beauty only in the media

[RB]

So RB, what do you mean to say exactly?

Maybe that I am seeking to force out dangers of my one-sided take on women’s issues and now short men.

you are short blanket, and when tug on it your toes become a demanding radical, you yank it down and you start the paroxysm about the shoulders. Smart folks manage to draw their knees up and experience a most comfortable life.

Well the short blanket is used as a symbolism and alludes to some warm comfort for short folks. I used the blanket because short men are stereotyped and as we know biases lead to erroneous judgements and generalisation. I mean short men are also predisposed to work, cancer, and other stresses of life. I think short people learn early that they have insecurities (oops an exception: Italians) and learn to put up a façade (hence the drawing of the knees) to take charge of their destiny-however successful.

Now, we all think that "liberation" has been conquer, so put it behind us and move on. But, this is so not true.

Obviously, from some of the statistics provided about short men in this discussion it only proves that short people are treated in a discriminatory way, and the results is some cost burden to them.

What it means is that normal people (however short) have constraints imposed upon them and are restricted to operating efficiently as possible within this constrains.

So the blanket is short but the person wants to be covered fully, so they have to be creative. Realise there is no substitute for being short. So, first how the short person see themselves. Second, the way they need to project themselves. Third, the way others see them.

-Look, 3 separate lenses for one individual, isn’t life complicated as it were?

-I mean the expectation conformed upon people is hardly truths about an individual person.

-I question when does a person become an individual true to themselves.

First I blame the masses of society. It identifies characteristics for people and make them act accordingly. Now, if behaviours and conformity whether by height do not match, guess what, there is no flow of equilibrium for stability. So no balance.

Deviations such as height will indicate “adjustments”, “problems”, “health”, “abnormal”, well you get the picture.

Men seem to have their romantic relationship forming curtailed with the opposite sex. Well I don’t have to explain about the importance of even one inch – is tabooed.

For men whose adjustments differ substantially from group norm the scores tally up against them. They would fall into less social adjustment, and seem as not emotionally stable. Is this true of short people? No, but that is what the statistics imply.

The messenger takes the blunt of this heavy burden. I find that the media has some duty in releasing people from their struggles. I want to call attention to the media create a social myth where all people are good, their intentions are good and that people in all colors, size, shape, wishes to promote good and that their obligation to do good rest on the good of all people.

I would like to see exposure to economic transformation of society based on fair treatment and alteration of individual relationships of how we deal with people. I believe that all people can pursuit their creation of wealth without infringing on the rights and good of others.

I have used the word “exposed” because every person needs to come to grip with truths. So the media is creative in its duty to separate and divide people into beauty now short “this” or “that” imaginings. So now we can caste our eyes on the media as we seek the media to successfully bury myths about short people and only portray the “pain” that causes it.

Is that too much to ask?

Can you make the effort to render your ideas comprehensible

Sorry, I write and post just like that, its reflexive - even I sometimes disagree with myself when I have a chance to re-read - I shall try to spell check etc prior to post - I didn't do it this time - I mean someone else, Argus mentioned this problem before - so I admit to some weaknesses

[Slavik44]

RB, your double standard is pathetic, Short peopel need to be taller and women need to look better to succeed. Yoru remed for short peopel is shut up and smile, however I don;t see you makign that same arguement for your war to end discrimination against women. What about black people I assume they to shoudl shut up and keep smiling? By all accounts natives now owe me a sh1t load of cash, because hey beign native is herreditary best just to tell them to shut up and smile. What about people with mental disabilities, they were born with it right? Maybe they should just keep smiling, nothing we can do to help them. Well how about this, women were born women, (well okay theres the odd few, that were not) why can't they jsut keep on smiling? I mena how many short actors do you know of? (about as many short actors as ugly actors eh?) How many short models do you know of? (about as many short models as ugly models eh?) If society says women must look better and society says short guys must be 6'2, how on earth can you justify your blatent double standard, or perhaps you jsut discriminate against short peopel yourself? But thats okay your just doing what every one else does, setting societies un-attainable standards. And at the very least if you are not setting them, your are in some cases supporting them, which is very hipocritical when compared with other posts you are making.

[Slavik44]

Your reply reminds me of the song, "Short People".... scoffing at discrimination

Yep, it was meant to scoff.

I mean if it helps there are cultures such as chinese, asians where the men are short, this western culture seem to impose this height ideal, and begs that short men especially become suddenly exposed.

actually just to point something out RB, I belive when I was looking at other stats, it also showed that short people in China were also discriminated against., I belvie there was some historically evidence that this also existed in Africa...so it seems to be a cross cultural thing to discriminate against short people.

[RB]

Well Slavik44, if you are following my writing then you would know that I am mostly about economic inquiry as it relates to the female particularly.

No I am not a feminist economist as they should be anti-sexist.

The only double standard I see is between the males and females. There is a social construction of the genders. But the only one difference I know of between the sexes is the genitals.

For me until social expectation confers that men are equal with women and it shows a respect with closure of gaps of discrepancies, I will reflect that men operate insidious along with their prejudices against women.

Now I also don’t mind including other groups with the women’s quest to bridge and achieve economic, social and political equality and be on par with men.

There is something about practicing capitalism. I mean we become interested in the intersection of the oppressed groups. Makes sense like others besides women can offer some cumulative voices to strengthen women’s position. So we are happy to include groups, blacks, shorts, gays, aboriginal, disable who are all looking for closure of gap and are heading for the equality axis.

If society says women must look better and society says short guys must be 6'2, how on earth can you justify your blatent double standard, or perhaps you jsut discriminate against short peopel yourself? But thats okay your just doing what every one else does, setting societies un-attainable standards. And at the very least if you are not setting them, your are in some cases supporting them, which is very hipocritical when compared with other posts you are making.

Oh dear, I do not support the constraint place on women to look beautiful, or for short men to be tall. I believe in principles and morals. You treat people as individuals, give them tools necessary to do well in society and allow them to succeed in life. This mean refraining from nonsensical group construction.

Female beauty crises start and end in the media. The advertising of females as beauties perpetuates and exaggerates women own falsity.

Where am I being hypocritical in saying that women, and short men should NOT feel free to define themselves to their own happiness instead of being bombarded with what is public justice of having their identity, characteristics, personalities define for them by some fad, culture, their men, their women.

On a different note as it happens I love having men around. I don't think I can live without men - I am rather very comfortable with myself and very comfortable with men as they show up in any size, height, fashion, shapes, colors, intellect - sorry I am hardly the one to discriminate against short males

[PocketRocket]

"All women are beautiful, but some are more beautiful than others"

-Lazarus Long aka Robert A Heinlein

[RB]

Men make fools of themselves when they put orders to beauty. "Honey" is the number one endearment in North America. When you men are trying to seduce your women, give them the tag line

Honey, all women are beautiful, but some are more beautiful than others

Oh to the unanswered question, yes honey you are always more beautiful

Could it be that all women are equally more beautiful?

[PocketRocket]

Could it be that all women are equally more beautiful?

Yeah, but it's pretty tough to say "Honey, you are as equally more beautiful as all other women"

Kinda rings hollow, don't you think??

[RB]

Yeah, but it's pretty tough to say "Honey, you are as equally more beautiful as all other women"

Kinda rings hollow, don't you think??

Yep, that's like really desperate.

But sincerity is a start, if you accept the women individually as they were, and tell them they are beautiful they would not need to keep health industry and the beauty centres preoccupied - I mean the women are also sporting your money to fail in this beauty myth like:

- reaction to cosmetics needs looking after

- cosmetic surgeries have dangers

- over use of diet pills

- tanning machines increase likelihood of cancer

- how about implants reaction

- eating disorders

- etc.

Oh and don't give me the lead on about ugly women, because someone thinks she was good and special enough for them

[PocketRocket]

Well, I'm not the first to intruduce the word "ugly" into this thread, but now that it's here, as the old saying goes;

Beauty is only skin deep......

but ugly goes right to the bone

[RB]

Look women will never know what they can accomplish by themselves if you insist high-heels will give them longer strides and make them run faster.

And how is it men are allowed to judge women so severely when men walk around with their pot-belly, overweight self, balding, farting self, ego-centric self?.

I mean what you think women want to sit around all day knowing they just are not going to have the desired beauty results and dreaming how to modify their being.

I have a dream that this day I will have a

• pretty smile because of botox

• set of rocks because of silicon

• nice ass because of liposuction

• sexy legs because of laser hair treatment

• ripple tummy more lipo

• more curves equals more gym equipment

• less weight equals more dieting

• pretty face equals more visits to the powder room

Women despise and loath themselves that they have to peep though:

• false eyelashes

• hair wigs

• expensive breast

• plastic smiles

• walk on the edge with stilettos

• garters & crutchless underwear

• constricting clothes

I mean I hope women emerge as the symbolic phallus they are, but use the head to think.

[The Terrible Sweal]

Look women will never know what they can accomplish by themselves if you insist high-heels will give them longer strides and make them run faster.

And how is it men are allowed to judge women so severely when men walk around with their pot-belly, overweight self, balding, farting self, ego-centric self?.

RB, you continue to talk utter nonsense. Men are 'allowed' to 'judge' women because we have freedom of thought. Women 'judge' men too, and men 'judge' other men, and women 'judge' other women.

It's called an opinion, and no-one is answerable to anyone else for holding one.

Your persisting whinge about beauty standards is nothing more, so far as I can tell, than an objection to the fact that people have opinions and other people decide to take those opinions into account.

[RB]

Using your own argument

Men are 'allowed' to 'judge' women because we have freedom of thought. Women 'judge' men too, and men 'judge' other men, and women 'judge' other women.

Women represent half of the world's population and toil 2/3 of world's working hours.

However, they earn only 1/10 of the world's income and own less than 1/100 of the world's wealth

Forbes identified only 12% of the riches belong to women - thats a big gap between the genders

The "thinking" and "judge" even when done independently is incorporated into practices so it might be freedom of thoughts but also have measurable results, and men and women do not have the same outcome

Men are abundantly found in power, so a woman might think a man is not pretty but he would care less. What I mean is it does not influence his capacity to earn wealth or reproduce in their existence in power positions - yes they exist 80% of the time in political power positions in Canada

On the other hand, men may think women are ugly; but women have no power to refute this, they actually don't have enough power to use the care less position, but more like they need to care more and will do what is necessary to look beautiful.

Usage of judge, opinions, free thinking, it is not the same construct as it relates to man and woman.

Also, guess who has the capital and seizes the opportunity to exploit those that have to care about beauty

an add-on...

A professor shared this experience of last week. In one of her sociology class, a film on women was being showed in class – I don’t recall the name but at the end of the film when the lights came on a discovery was made, there were no male in attendance for discussion. gasp! They all left.

It goes to show even now the prevailing attitudes of males towards women and how sexism is still present. It also reminds the inferior women of who have power and who set rules. Not withstanding these males will be present in the workforce some managerial capacity shortly.

Girls will look at videos of males

Girls will look at videos of girls

How about them males?

Edited February 1, 2005 by RB

[August1991]

Girls will look at videos of males

Girls will look at videos of girls

I think you're largely right, RB. In my local newstand, if I look at all of the magazine covers, I have to admit that about 80% or more of the faces are women.

The question is why. IOW, why do contemporary women prefer to look at pictures of other women?

(And please don't tell me that men force women to look at pictures of women.)

[RB]

why do contemporary women prefer to look at pictures of other women?

It is about brainwashed economics, massive production of services and materials and recruitment of someone for consumption in order to create wealth for men. Women are the victims, and are in hot pursuit of ideal beauty.

On the one hand, there is a sort of minimum standard of beauty but also it is not absolutely defined by the male hence the glances towards the magazines.

What I meant is analogous to rising the standard of living, and amist raising income also come rises in the standard of beauty.

For the males any opportunity to get the females inundated over ideal feminine beauty is oh! happy days.

There are always new and updated products to think about, new modern conveniences in the gym, but it is mostly a culture that all women must participate, you want to live a woman’s dream…then you shall participate, a pressure to see what others are doing.

Women look to the media to fit into a stereotypical bra, panties, whatever. A definition of a best dress woman is one whose dress is updated and does not seem to be strangely out of place, also that she is especially not out of shape.

What I see is that the same problems we are trying to fix using the commercialise beauty products etc, constantly remind women visually that the female body can’t ever fit into those tiny bits of strings on the magazine covers, so we look again and try much harder.

Oh I admit we like men to look at us, and women, well, they like to watch themselves being looked at .... OK, I can interpret that last bit to also mean women looking at women – it’s a silent outreach

Look how many men on this forum can truly say I want to become a woman? even for a day

(And please don't tell me that men force women to look at pictures of women.)

Nice try, of course men are subtle in their motives, I didn't think men would genuinely confess to their aims or their sins.

[RB]

In my observation healthy, smart people make no real sharp distinction between the roles, looks and personality of the genders. There is usually no tendency to dichotomize beauty and ugly.

What I mean is they do not assumed the genders have different roles to play. For example the female is weak and passive whilst the male is active. I mean the female can be active while the males are also active and passive whilst the males are passive.

In fact as they are so confident about themselves it really did not matter or create conflicts with themselves that they can actually interchange roles with the genders.

Hence for the woman, she can withstand society scorn of woman dominating in a man’s field of play. She makes money, has power, pretends about the sex, is very feminine but is a still a dyke.

Reaching that sense of equality is probably the highest level of self-actualisation

[PocketRocket]

RB: Your intelligence is made obvious by your ability to articulate your thoughts so well.

But I think you're going off the deep end a bit.

It woulkd have been more fun to quote your last few posts and shoot thing down point-by-point, but I'm gonna keep this particular post simple.

You have made sweeping generalizations about what "men" want, and how "men" do this and that to subjugate women in various ways.

And you've gone so far as to accuse "men" of brainwashing women so that all women will aspire to be the perfect beauty queen for mankinds, while we "men" walk around farting, belching, and scratching our enormous beer-guts.

I for one take umbrage to your generalized statements.

First, if all men were the way you paint us, then every woman who was ugly, or fat, or crosseyed, or bowlegged, or you name it, would remain single her whole sad life.

Go to a wedding, or a funeral. Count the number of beauty queen types you see there. Take note of how many of the other sort are married.

Case closed.

No one is FORCING women to buy into the whole beauty thing.

No more than anyone FORCES you to buy a Coke rather than a Pepsi.

If INDIVIDUAL women are so weak-willed that the media makes them feel inferior, then that is each INDIVIDUAL woman's problem.

I am mid-forties, balding, below-average height (5'7"), of average weight and build.

I don't kid myself that I am handsome, although my face hasn't frightened any women or children, at least not recently.

I haven't tried Hair Club for Men, nor have I tried Grecian Formula, despite the ads showing how the use of such products would cause me to sweep women off their feet.

All the many advertisements for Axe or Old Spice have not made me rush out to buy their products, even though every commercial shows a pretty girl being attracted to the guys who use such products.

I am what I am, (perfect in every way ) and a new shirt by Calvin Klein is not going to turn me into an overnight Cinderfella.

I accept this fact with good grace.

If you're not happy with your physical lot in life, then you should think about therapy of some sort.

But do not sweep ALL men together into to your little conspiracy theory. It just won't wash (much like my perfect self on a Sunday morning )

[PocketRocket]

Look how many men on this forum can truly say I want to become a woman? even for a day

Okay, you asked for it....

Wierd as it may sound, for a long time I've wondered what an orgasm feels like for a woman.

A lot of women sure make a lot of noise while having an orgasm, so it must be something pretty special.

So yeah, if it were possible, for a day, to inhabit a woman's body, you bet your bottom I would.

Me, and some sort of sexual device, to test drive the female orgasmic threshhold.

Would have to be a device as I don't think I could get it up with a man, but then again, women don't have such pressures as being able to "get it up".

All that "performance pressure" is strictly a man's cross to bear.

Hadn't thought of that before.

Gee, I guess men don't live perfectly ideal lives either.

[RB]

PocketRocket

What can I say excepting for now being a tiny bit softer and proffer an explanation as to why I write that way about beauty.

First the only dilemma I have is one of social disarticulation.

So, now let me see, I am one of those very few breed of new women whose main purpose in life is to analyse and seek scholarship of the sex oppressor of women. oops!! No, let me rephrase that correctly. I am a like a wondering woman with some likely thoughts, if it was not ridiculed in anyway it would have indeed failed in its intent and presentation.

Thirty years ago women would have hardly come forth as lesbians demanding to marry their partners. Women are now writing about their experiences, their sexual conquests and describing in vivid details of the female experiences and bringing to the forefront historical shadows posed as a female phenomena.

Secondly, what we want is what is freedom from being self-conscious about beautiful red lips.

Thirdly, I mean my entire rejection of female beauty is urgent for female liberation.

Furthermore and more importantly, it is rather impossible to make a really good argument for the females when there is no degree of confidence in the natural dependence of the females on the male.

What I meant is the dogma of science confers for us some hierarchy of status quo as it relates to the sexes.

As it happens woman can be conditioned, so for example they can only aspire to be the images that emerge in the media.

There are assumptions about women and it is manifested in the media by the males.

I am just simply voicing what we know all along.

[RB]

Wierd as it may sound, for a long time I've wondered what an orgasm feels like for a woman.

The percentage of women that actually have vaginal orgasm is low - what less than 29%.

There is a high probability that you might not achieve an orgasm

[PocketRocket]

Wierd as it may sound, for a long time I've wondered what an orgasm feels like for a woman.

The percentage of women that actually have vaginal orgasm is low - what less than 29%.

There is a high probability that you might not achieve an orgasm

Then I'd just have to be like the Little Engine that Could; "I think I can, I think I can", and keep trying until I do

[RB]

So that you understand more my side of the beauty explanation. I wondered if I could introduce dualism into this conversation as in "mind" and "body", good and evil, man and woman. I mean here we have the masterminds of who defines what is acceptable as it relates to women’s body (*blush*- not the right meaning) but dualism stays.

Anyway, the subtleness of it all is to the defeat of making women become “addicts” of beauty and holding them responsible for their own “cure”. Some of you mentioned there is also something called choice.

The beauty concept for women is very similar to the addicts of say cigars. They do not fit within a norm currently (cigars and not stylish anymore), and now tending suffer from something.

Here is what I mean women have to involuntary cure their beauty otherwise they are punished and on top of all that, the beauty treatment fails.

Men are smart in their moves, because if they can project the images, reference points, writing and construct an ideal, then coercing women to be “cured” is well the only ethical thing to do. Beauty first, health first, fitness first.

Men are displaying their hubris and arrogance that pulls and push women in hysteria to believe that current observations of beauty are valid.

To spell things out in order in case you did not read into what the argument is about. There is also a connection between the pharmaceutical companies and the doctors.

I don’t have to remind you that doctors are authority on the human body and also, well, still the males are in power in the medical profession.

There is a good word I like to over-used “Medicalization” and can never stress the sphere of control that is asserted. And the woman’s body is a public sphere (for all those who reject that the woman has control over her body)

Anyway here is what I meant about this Medicalization with wealth attachment. It is strange the way ideas, behaviors, body, mind etc. gets re-worded and re-classified. For example:

- PMS was a mood, now it is a disease

- Menopause use to be a natural state of aging now it’s a disease requiring a pharmaceutical 'fix'.

So much so that Wyeth, the makers of Premarin, the largest selling HRT formula in the US, sold US$2.07 billion in Premarin prescriptions last year alone, making it the company's best-selling drug.

- Badness is now referred to sickness (relates to children)

- Sexual transmitted diseases used to be disease now it is downplay as an infection

- Unhappiness is now clinically depressed

- Depression is mental illness

You guess you are the big winners.

Tell me that men are not directing narcism for the women, wanting to drive women to some guilt by updating and validating problems.

Is it wrong to conclude that there is some promotion of a market system and to do what is necessary to retain a social power structure?

[The Terrible Sweal]

Secondly, what we want is what is freedom from being self-conscious about beautiful red lips.

But no-one can grant that freedom but the hypothetical woman. Look, you even call it 'self-conscious'.

It is entirely within the power of your 'self' to stop being 'self' conscious and entirely outside the power of anyone else to prevent you from ceasing to be self-conscious about it.

Your position is confusing. It's like you standing there holding a dollar and asking "Give me this dollar."

As it happens woman can be conditioned, so for example they can only aspire to be the images that emerge in the media.

Are you suggesting that women in particular are more susceptible to media conditioning than men?

There are assumptions about women and it is manifested in the media by the males.

There are assumptions about everyone and it is manifested in the media by everyone.

[RB]

Your position is confusing. It's like you standing there holding a dollar and asking "Give me this dollar."

Well it’s more like men will take the dollar, and betray us with 2 shinning pieces of silver dimes to cover the nipples and make women feel self-conscious in a some kinky suit.

Self-conscious is also being bitter and loating oneself about the lesser person they are when compared with others especially using status quo beauty standards.

Self-conscious means:

- finding the right kind of clothes

- unpleasantness looking in the mirror

- not socializing and showing in public

- hiding excess body

- thinking your body is unattractive

- being nervous that they cannot keep their men

Men think when women wish to dialogue with their voices that it is more about:

- exaggerated complaints

- shrill

- foolish demands

I am not too far from using appropriately the word "condescending" in the way men usually respond to women's issues - they respond "now and then".

Look men as heads of corporations are still surprised when they are told to stop polluting a river. So do you really understand how uneasy women are?.

Do you men feel uneasy to exploit a position that gives unearned profits in prestige, power.

Are you suggesting that women in particular are more susceptible to media conditioning than men?

- Women are more susceptible to lung, heart diseases, depression, broken hearts, the famous headache line, etc. because of their genetical make-up women are more susceptible to sexually transmitted infections, so they have to use drug fixes and then they become addicted

The media takes its profit driven angle and want to make sure the fair women are cure using the beauty myth.

So yes women are more susceptible, women have the symptoms, the gap exist, the market is driven, the motives are shrewd and manipulative is at its best. What I mean is men are not so pressured as women to look beautiful.

The Effect of the Media on Body Image

Researchers have shown that female-aimed advertising in the media has an adverse effect on women and girls, leading to unhealthy behaviors in the pursuit of the model body image so often idealized by the media.  This ideal body type is frequently (atypical of a normal, healthy woman), as a modern fashion model is 23% lighter than the average female.

Studies have found that beauty is used as a product appeal in 56% of ads targeting female viewers and 50% of teen girl magazines and physical attractiveness is mentioned in 50% of Saturday morning ads aimed at girls; whereas, in ads targeting males, appearance was not talked about.

Because women often compare themselves to other women around them, this constant barrage of a body image ideal causes low-self esteem and dissatisfaction in women about their bodies; not only do 75% of normal weight women think they are overweight, but 90% of women overestimate their body size.

Clearly, there is reason for concern as 69% of girls’ opinions of the perfect body are influenced by models in magazines, yet only 7% could ever be catwalk model slim, and an even lower 1% could ever be supermodel thin assuming it would ever be necessary to be that thin creating an impractical, yet largely-accepted, unattainable body ideal for women.

Body Image and Advertising . 2000. Issue Briefs. Studio City, Calif.: Mediascope Press. November 3, 2004.

[The Terrible Sweal]

Men think when women wish to dialogue with their voices that it is more about:

- exaggerated complaints

- shrill

- foolish demands

I'm sorry, but I have occassional difficulty decyphering some of your jargon. Is there some particular content in the phrase 'dialogue with their voices'?

Anyway, as for foolish demands, you certainly seem to persist in one. To whit, the demand by a woman that someone else other than the woman take responsibiltiy for what she herself thinks. If you as a woman don't want to participate in the beauty rat-race, then don't.

Look men as heads of corporations are still surprised when they are told to stop polluting a river.  So do you really understand how uneasy women are?.

And is it your contention than women as heads of corporations behave more environmentally? I'd love to see your data.

Are you suggesting that women in particular are more susceptible to media conditioning than men?

- Women are more susceptible to lung, heart diseases, depression, broken hearts, the famous headache line, etc. because of their genetical make-up women are more susceptible to sexually transmitted infections, so they have to use drug fixes and then they become addicted

The media takes its profit driven angle and want to make sure the fair women are cure using the beauty myth.

So yes women are more susceptible, women have the symptoms, the gap exist, the market is driven, the motives are shrewd and manipulative is at its best. What I mean is men are not so pressured as women to look beautiful.

I don't know why you think women are more susceptible to lung and heart diseases. Mortality figures clearly indicate women have longer life expectancy. As to broken hearts, again, I doubt you have any evidence in support of that. As to headaches, I fail to see how they are important. As to the rest of that whole passage, it seems you have concluded women are more susceptible to media regarding health products. Does that, in your view, extend to other topics as well (such as beauty?), and on what basis?

Researchers have shown that female-aimed advertising in the media has an adverse effect on women and girls, leading to unhealthy behaviors in the pursuit of the model body image ... constant barrage of a body image ideal causes low-self esteem and dissatisfaction in women about their bodies; not only do 75% of normal weight women think they are overweight, but 90% of women overestimate their body size.

1. How exactly did they manage to determine that the media "barrage" was the causitive factor in producing these opinions?

2. What says that holding those opinions represents 'low-self esteem'?

3. What percentage of the women who have these opinions are making a healthy assessment of their actual state of fitness?

4. What percentage of women with these opinions go on to make actual unhealthy choices based on these opinions?

Clearly, there is reason for concern as 69% of girls’ opinions of the perfect body are influenced by models in magazines, yet only 7% could ever be catwalk model slim, ...

That's some very odd logic. There's a very long list of carreers that only a small percentage of aspirants will actually succeed in. Movie stars, astronauts, pop musicians, super-models, professional athletes, politicians, top-flight professionals, the list goes on. Just because success in these fields is difficult does not mean aspiring to them is 'reason for concern'.

[RB]

I don't know why you think women are more susceptible to lung and heart diseases. Mortality figures clearly indicate women have longer life expectancy.

Sure they live longer, first thats some wicked consolation finally.. my point though is that the diseases and medication go hand in hand. So here is the addiction. Beauty is link to the exploitation of medication, surgery, pills, cretin, soya protein. Now here that linear addiction again.

Lung cancer: A woman's disease

Women More Susceptible to Stroke Than Men

Women and Heart Disease

'Broken-heart syndrome' has medical link

Broken heart is love sickness and is for real folks, its not just about falling out of love.

it seems you have concluded women are more susceptible to media regarding health products. Does that, in your view, extend to other topics as well (such as beauty?),

OK, can someone explain this falling in love stuff since we are so big in commercialising love over this February 14 weekend. Guys, it is expected that you treat the ladies well, you are all bombared on big buying by the media - dimonds are the favorites, then the sexy clothes, dinners, flowers, she also want to be complimented on her beauty - don't forget. Big spending means big business.

I mean why can we say we slip into love, or was pushed into love, knock out of love, and when does love become blind?. Why fall? Is the fall symbolic to mean some helplessness?.

I mean we are always forewarned don't fall in love with your politicians, they are disappointments. They just can't help the way they are.

There are no other clues about love to work with. So the media of course takes us to eden where every young girl, and woman dream of love and there is also some hero involve.