Hating a way of life

[Argus]

Oh Dear! Argus, perhaps I am schizophrenic after all. Why, I am an apologist for terrorism (only Muslims are terrorists, aren't they?) and also make excuses for the deliberate murder of Israeli children. Such a contradiction Could only be reconciled by one as evil or ill as I.

I am bad aren't I? Should I apologize to my Jewish friends?

I think the post in this thread which most deserves such a description is where you basically try to excuse Palestinian suicide terrorists and pretend they attack military targets only. As in your statement below.

"Your statement that the Palestinians target little children is reprehensible. The Palestinian sucide bombers attacks are often reandom and do not discriminate. When they do target anyone, their targets are more likely to be with tactical intent."

You then go on to compare them to the French Resistance in WW2!

As for "Jewish friends", that sounds so drearily like "some of my best friends are Jews" that it deserves nothing more than a -

[Black Dog]

You pick single words out of posts and try to pretend that indicates racism? Hell, even if I admitted I didn't like Arabs that doesn't constitute racism. Racism is dislike based on racial characteristics or a feeling of racial superiority. I don't have that. I do have a heavy dislike of religious wackos of any persuasion, in any colour or variety, especially when they have a disturbing tendency to either commit violence against innocent people or support violence against same.

Nonsense. Your invective is always directed at "Arabs"; not "religious whackos", but Arabs in general. So, even if you're not a racist (which I don't believe to be the case), you're intellectually sloppy.

Furthermore, your disdain for "religious whackos" seems rather selective. Where's your criticism of the ultra-radical Jewish settler movement, a movement even Israeli authorities consider a potential terrorist threat?

After all, if you can demand that your opponents be equally forceful in denouncing all human rights violations committed anywhere, then surely the same standard must apply to the denunciation of "religious whackos".

There is really only two reasons for such attacks against Israel: concern for human rights, or anti-semitism. You clearly don't care about human rights. That leaves dislike of Jews. Sorry, but it's pretty obvious.

False dichotomy, given that neither position is supported by any evidence. Sorry, but it's pretty obvious you're reaching.

And yet, oddly, if you put an honest, unbiased list of nations who violated human rights the worst Israel probably wouldn't even crack the top fifty. Soooo, this concern is... for why exactly?

The 100 worst

It's a few years old, but I doubt much has changed. And hey! Look who's cracked the top 10?

I've already indicated why Israel receives criticsm. Part of it has to do with the rank hypocricy of a self-described democracy behaving like a banana republic, part of it has to do with apologists like you who are all to willing to excuse, defend and justify crimes against humanity.

If you're too thick to have grasped that the first half dozen times, well, that's not my problem.

Not all who criticise Israel are anti-semites. However, all anti-semites criticise Israel.

I'm still waiting to see if you can produce a criticsm I've made of Israel based on race. I'll be waiting a long time because you're clearly not capable of mounting an argument not based on sophistry.

First of all, my dislike of Arab world's religious culture and the society it has spawned does not constitute racism. I'm not sure what your dislike of Israel is.

More prevarication. Not to mention you're contradicting yourself. If your overt statements on Arabs in general (as I produced earlier) do not constitute racism, then your accussations of racism by inference ring even more hollow (FYI, anti-semetism is racism).

If they were a race it could be racism, but as I can't see any reason for your constant harping on them I have little choice but to assign the motive to anti-semitism.

Ignorance on your part does not prove malice on mine.

And you're not long for this forum if you don't grow up enough to wash out your foul mouth and stop spewing obcenities. Not that I'd miss someone with all the accumen of a retarded chimp anyway

You coward. What kind of craven lowlife would hurl unfounded and unproven accusations of racism about repetedly and freely without evidence, yet cry about a few expletives? I think that says a lot about your total lack of character and principles. You're a joke.

[Guest eureka]

Can you show evidence that "suicide bombers" do not use their tactics as a method of fighting an occupying force?

The difference between them and the French Resistance is that they are also attemptong to fight off the physical settlement of their territory by citizens of the occupying power.

Then, over the years, some of my best friends have been Jews. In that battle of Quebec you don't think I was involved in, some of my closest colleauges were Jewish. They were fighting for rights not to suppress them.

[Black Dog]

You pick single words out of posts and try to pretend that indicates racism? Hell, even if I admitted I didn't like Arabs that doesn't constitute racism. Racism is dislike based on racial characteristics or a feeling of racial superiority. I don't have that. I do have a heavy dislike of religious wackos of any persuasion, in any colour or variety, especially when they have a disturbing tendency to either commit violence against innocent people or support violence against same.

Oh right. Sure, what do they have to be afraid of? Silly Jews. So there's six million of them and 320 million Arabs who want them dead. After all, some of them signed peace treaties! That means they can never attack again. Even though they hate Israel with every fibre of their being. Those Jews are so paranoid, after all.

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[Argus]

You pick single words out of posts and try to pretend that indicates racism? Hell, even if I admitted I didn't like Arabs that doesn't constitute racism. Racism is dislike based on racial characteristics or a feeling of racial superiority. I don't have that. I do have a heavy dislike of religious wackos of any persuasion, in any colour or variety, especially when they have a disturbing tendency to either commit violence against innocent people or support violence against same.

Nonsense. Your invective is always directed at "Arabs"; not "religious whackos", but Arabs in general. So, even if you're not a racist (which I don't believe to be the case), you're intellectually sloppy.

I assure you that if the Catholic Church was behavinig as it did during the Inquisitions I would be unstinting in my condemnation. Today, however, Church sanctioned violence (or mosque sanctionsed) seems to exist almost entirely among the Muslims. Whatever you or I might think of Christian fundamentalists and their preachers, they aren't demanding their people go out and kill to please God. Terrorism for religious reasons seems to be pretty much sourced in the Muslim religion. Almost all terorrism is linked to Muslims.

Furthermore, your disdain for "religious whackos" seems rather selective. Where's your criticism of the ultra-radical Jewish settler movement, a movement even Israeli authorities consider a potential terrorist threat

I don't think much of them, to be honest. I believe I have said that, though they rarely come up in the conversation. If they did you would not find me making excuses for their violence.

After all, if you can demand that your opponents be equally forceful in denouncing all human rights violations committed anywhere, then surely the same standard must apply to the denunciation of "religious whackos".

Jewish religious radicals exist, but they aren't as violent as the Muslims. If they were you'd see bombs going off in Palestinian markets and Jewish suicide terrorists blowing up schools and pizza parlors and cafe's in Palestinian and Arab-Israeli neighbourhoods.

There is really only two reasons for such attacks against Israel: concern for human rights, or anti-semitism. You clearly don't care about human rights. That leaves dislike of Jews. Sorry, but it's pretty obvious.

False dichotomy, given that neither position is supported by any evidence. Sorry, but it's pretty obvious you're reaching.

There is a third reason for hating Israel? What is it?

And yet, oddly, if you put an honest, unbiased list of nations who violated human rights the worst Israel probably wouldn't even crack the top fifty. Soooo, this concern is... for why exactly?

The 100 worst

It's a few years old, but I doubt much has changed. And hey! Look who's cracked the top 10?

I said an "honest and unbiased" list. This is neither. It is from a notably anti-Israel newspaper which explains its own bias and stupidity right up front. First, it is "headline" abuses, ie it's reporting news of abuses. Then, it decides that this might be unfair to poor countries, so it multiples the 'score" by something called the Human Development Index, so that richer countries get a worse rating than poorer countries. Go to the bottom of your cite, and click "front page" and study just how ridiculous this so-called list is.

I've already indicated why Israel receives criticsm. Part of it has to do with the rank hypocricy of a self-described democracy behaving like a banana republic,

India does worse in the Kashmir. The stories of mass rapes, extrajudicial murders and torture by Indian security forces are far worse than what Israel has done. As for Russia - well, there really is no comparison there.

Nope. Sorry. There still is no excuse for your hatemongering against Israel. You don't care about human rights abuses, so what else could it be?

[Argus]

Can you show evidence that "suicide bombers" do not use their tactics as a method of fighting an occupying force?

By blowing up buses, pizza parlors, discos and cafes?

The difference between them and the French Resistance is that they are also attemptong to fight off the physical settlement of their territory by citizens of the occupying power.

No, one of the numerous differences is the resistance mainly targeted the German military and government institutions. They never targeted children. Another big difference is they were fighting for freedom. Only a fool would believe Palestinians would be freer without the Israelis there. There are no free Arab states. There are no Arab states with a respect for human rights. The Palestinian Authority engages in every abuse you accuse Israel of - against their own people. Every Arab state engages in torture and murder of anyone who criticises the ruling party. If the Palestinians had not engaged in so much terrorism they would not have to face the Israelis military raids, the check points, the searches, the blockades. They would likely have been better off than Arabs in most Arab states - better than many.

[Argus]

You pick single words out of posts and try to pretend that indicates racism? Hell, even if I admitted I didn't like Arabs that doesn't constitute racism. Racism is dislike based on racial characteristics or a feeling of racial superiority. I don't have that. I do have a heavy dislike of religious wackos of any persuasion, in any colour or variety, especially when they have a disturbing tendency to either commit violence against innocent people or support violence against same.

Oh right. Sure, what do they have to be afraid of? Silly Jews. So there's six million of them and 320 million Arabs who want them dead. After all, some of them signed peace treaties! That means they can never attack again. Even though they hate Israel with every fibre of their being. Those Jews are so paranoid, after all.

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And so? The hatred of Israel and Jews throughout the Muslim world, particularly the Arab world, is thoroughly documented. Their schools, their media, their governments, have all shown time and time and time again that their entire societies are embued with a hatred of Jews and Israel.

[Black Dog]

Today, however, Church sanctioned violence (or mosque sanctionsed) seems to exist almost entirely among the Muslims.

Ah, but you've never made that distinction until I called you on it. Again, it's always "Arabs" this and "Arabs" that. Not all Arabs are Muslim and not all Muslims are Arabs. So it's pretty clear you hate Arabs.

I don't think much of them, to be honest. I believe I have said that, though they rarely come up in the conversation. If they did you would not find me making excuses for their violence.

More hypocricy, given your demands that one proove their credentials in terms of human rights, your demands for absolute condemnation of every single atrocity before one can even mention the word Israel, else be labelled a "Jew hater". You're defending yourself on the same grounds you attack others, which, to me, says your position is untenable.

Nope. Sorry. There still is no excuse for your hatemongering against Israel. You don't care about human rights abuses, so what else could it be?

Nope. Sorry. You're still full of crap, given you've no proof of either racism or a lack of concern for human rights.

The hatred of Israel and Jews throughout the Muslim world, particularly the Arab world, is thoroughly documented. Their schools, their media, their governments, have all shown time and time and time again that their entire societies are embued with a hatred of Jews and Israel.

Again:

Even though they hate Israel with every fibre of their being.

Hmm. That doesn't say anything about "Arab societies", but something ingrained, a cultural predisposition to anti-Semetism.

Only a fool would believe Palestinians would be freer without the Israelis there. There are no free Arab states. There are no Arab states with a respect for human rights. The Palestinian Authority engages in every abuse you accuse Israel of - against their own people. Every Arab state engages in torture and murder of anyone who criticises the ruling party.

So it's better that Palestinians be tortured and oppressed by Israel?

If the Palestinians had not engaged in so much terrorism they would not have to face the Israelis military raids, the check points, the searches, the blockades. They would likely have been better off than Arabs in most Arab states - better than many.

Who's occupying whom, again?

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Funny how these things keep turning up...

"Arab wackos"

[shoe-in]

Say: what happened to Anthony? Let me guess: he was LLL's sock puppet?

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You've sure got nerve boyo.

Anthony is dead. So is LLL. And so is Greyhound. All of these brave men suffered the same fate. A bullet. In the back.

Seeing as how Argus took on their cause in this thread, I'm surprised he's still standing.

What's the matter, Blck Dog, losing your touch?

[Black Dog]

Say: what happened to Anthony? Let me guess: he was LLL's sock puppet?

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You've sure got nerve boyo.

Anthony is dead. So is LLL. And so is Greyhound. All of these brave men suffered the same fate. A bullet. In the back.

Seeing as how Argus took on their cause in this thread, I'm surprised he's still standing.

What's the matter, Blck Dog, losing your touch?

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WTF?

[Shakeyhands]

exactly what I said last night when I read that post....

[shoe-in]

exactly what I said last night when I read that post.... 

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So? .... Who sniped them? Leo91?

Who else could it be?

Leo is my #2 suspect.

[Black Dog]

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[Technocrat]

It wasn't me... it was the one armed man.

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some one has been into the wacky tabaky again