In case you forgot what Communism is capable of

[Argus]

There have been endless stories, movies book, plays, and every other imaginable recitation of what the German Nazis did in the thirties and forties, to the point "nazi' and "fascist' have become sort of all-purpose ultimate insults those on the Left fling at anyone who disagrees with their policies and beliefs. But comparatively little has been written about the guilt of the the Communists of the Soviet Union, and just how horrific they could be. And so, today, you will never find a conservative politician willing to admit even the slightest, faintest trace of sympathy or interest in the sort of political beliefs and philosophies of the Nazis, but you don't have to look very hard to find a lot of Leftists proudly declaring themselves  as Marxists or expressing admiration for Communists and Communist policies and practices. Trudeau himself has expressed admiration for the Cuban and Chinese Communists, as did his father. And their political campagn last time around was mainly focused on the politics of resentment and class warfare - blaming all the rich for everyone's problems. The NDP has a hard core called 'the socialist caucus' which espouses the same language and mentality which inspired the Soviet Communists, and are completely unrepentant about it. 

It is well to remember what Communism is capable of.

 

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[Michael Hardner]

This is one of the most boring arguments - which is worse Naziism or Marxism ?  Just state your case and move on.

 

We should just be able to agree that totalitarianism and unchecked power leads to abuse, but that also is obvious and dull.

 

I do recommend Mad Forest a documentary view of how people awoke from the fall of Communism.  You might find it interesting.

[Argus]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is one of the most boring arguments - which is worse Naziism or Marxism ?  Just state your case and move on.

You have an obnoxious habit of intruding into topics you consider 'boring' so you can tell people you consider them boring. Does that play well at parties? I mean, do you walk up to people who are talking and say "This is boring. You should talk about something else." I can't imagine that would go over well.

The undeniable fact is we have all accepted that Nazism and Facism are terrible, but the Left continues to openly flirt with Communism and Marxist beliefs.

[Hal 9000]

I agree completely!  Michael must be a real downer at parties.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

You have an obnoxious habit of intruding into topics you consider 'boring' so you can tell people you consider them boring.

I tempered it by giving you a reference to a play you would like.

 

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Does that play well at parties? I mean, do you walk up to people who are talking and say "This is boring. You should talk about something else." I can't imagine that would go over well.

 

Sure, if you do it right.

 

1 hour ago, Argus said:

The undeniable fact is we have all accepted that Nazism and Facism are terrible, but the Left continues to openly flirt with Communism and Marxist beliefs.

Right, because of the idea that these were economic theories that were mis-applied.  Nobody has the guys to say Naziism was just national pride mis-applied.  Go ahead and be the first.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

I tempered it by giving you a reference to a play you would like.

 

Sure, if you do it right.

 

Right, because of the idea that these were economic theories that were mis-applied.  Nobody has the guys to say Naziism was just national pride mis-applied.  Go ahead and be the first.

All those millions dead because someone put the decimal point in the wrong place?

It was all an accident.  Let's turn the gulags into a holiday camp.

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It was all an accident.  Let's turn the gulags into a holiday camp.

You should keep them around as a reminder.

[Argus]

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

IRight, because of the idea that these were economic theories that were mis-applied.  Nobody has the guys to say Naziism was just national pride mis-applied.  Go ahead and be the first.

No, sorry. Calling it just an economic system is nonsense. Economics is part of it. But so is central control, and so is the attitude that those who disagree have to be crushed. We've seen that in every single Communist system, including the ones the Liberals and NDP openly admire. Re-education camps, if they're feeling kindly, gulags if they're not. Class warfare against the owners of capital and property. The deliberate starvation of millions of Ukrainians was because they refused to accept the idea that the state now owned their land and all their efforts had to be incorporated into state farms. 

The 'socialist caucus' of the NDP calls for 'worker control' over companies. How is that to work exactly? How do you give the workers control over companies they don't own? The only way I can see is to expropriate that property in the name of the state. And owners who resist? What happens to them? This is the same mentality alive and RESPECTED in mainstream Canadian political parties and at universities, where Marxists flourish,  where different levels of importance are based on membership in various identity groups, and where ideological conformity is enforced. 

Edited March 3, 2018 by Argus

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You should keep them around as a reminder.

I would but I have to clear any major purchases with my wife, and she'd never go for it.