maplesyrup Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Parents: Sex-ed course links to porn Parents opposed to New Brunswick's sex education curriculum say the program's resource material includes Internet links to pornographic websites. What's wrong with the title of this article about sex education? It is very misleading as it suggests that kids are being subjected to porno sites by the school. Unfortunately very typical of our capitalistic press which tries to hook you with very inappropriate and sensationalistic headlines. Children are not being offered porno sites by their schools. It is just that sex educators are very concerned about the explosion of STDs. Kids desperately need these programs. The reality is their parents offer them porno sites every day at home on their computers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Unfortunately very typical of our capitalistic press which tries to hook you with very inappropriate and sensationalistic headlines. Would you prefer that a) the state control all press or that the state just control the production of headlines? The trouble with these damned capitalists is that they take freedoms of press and expression so seriously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackwacky Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Parents: Sex-ed course links to pornParents opposed to New Brunswick's sex education curriculum say the program's resource material includes Internet links to pornographic websites. What's wrong with the title of this article about sex education? Actually, nothing. Some parents ARE saying that the course material includes links to porn. And apparently it does. So the problem is, what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackwacky Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 The reality is their parents offer them porno sites every day at home on their computers. Wow, my kids are missing out I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 yes the link up to porn sites is getting a very "comprehensive" sex education Some parents ARE saying that the course material includes links to porn. And apparently it does. So the problem is, what? the difference there is nothing like streching the imagination when you are encourage to reading the material - sort of boring stuff, maybe would encourage the abstinence rather than immediate access to pron sites are these xxx rated sites anyways? sorry will continue later .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackwacky Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 RB, can you clarify that one. Not sure what you were talking about. The question was what was wrong with the headline. I think the headline was fine, as it stated the case pretty much exactly as it stood. As for the porn sites...the article says that one site listed linked to a retail outlet for sex toys. The parts about mutual masturbation, oral sex etc...the article does not say these are links, just part of the curriculum. I don't think a sex toy shop is triple x, although I suppose it depends on the inventory. And unless the teacher have their heads up their arses, the kids are not going to be getting this material anyways. Apparently it's for reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Actually, nothing. Some parents ARE saying that the course material includes links to porn. And apparently it does. So the problem is, what? The parents also presented Dube with a list of websites for youth from a reference document for the program, including one site that offers links to an online sex-toy store that sells "bedroom adventure gear." A sex toy store is not a porn site. And what's more: The minister said that even if the teacher's reference document lists links to sex sites, that doesn't mean the information would be made available to students. "This material is not for children," she said of the document. "This is not part of the curriculum. This is some reference material that was used to build the curriculum." These people have an agenda here. By their own admission, they don't want kids to get comprehensive sex education. And so they're using this spurious claim to shut it down. The parents said they want the curriculum replaced with a program that emphasizes abstinence. "We hope the curriculum will be dropped," Barry said. "We feel it is dangerous, that it is an assault on our children. We hope an abstinence-based system will be put in its place." Of course, abstinence-based sex ed is a demonstratable failure. The recent issue of lies and misinformation being propegated by government-funded sex ed programs in the States is an example. Story. The congressional staffers reviewed the program summaries of 13 curricula used in federally funded abstinence-only education programs across the country. Of the 13 reviewed, 11 contained "major errors," according to Waxman's office, while the remaining two curricula did not contain major mistakes or distortions. The eleven curricula are used in 25 states by 69 grantees, including state health departments, school districts, and hospitals as well as religious organizations and pro-life groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 oops i wasn't finished but i wasn't sure whether the links were just that discreet as showing toys or and also it was animated with images like the real McCoy stuff i meant there are educational videos especially for the purposes of sex education i have a feeling that some parents still taboo "sex" that it is secretive, and out of boundaries for progressive discussion and an it is still an uncomfortable topic parents are responsible also for the child sex education it is sad, when they don't take this responsibility seriously, but also they did not allow the classroom to share the gap of information dissemination -- i mean if the links were legitimately educational and filtering information for school children i don't see a problem i took my kid to the "aren't we naughty store" for a visit see all the toys there and well also got educated myself with the new gimmicks available, mind you i had to produce an identification, but no embarrassment i also have to do this sometimes at the liquor store, but you know you are doing well when the kid feeds you new information on the trends on what’s happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackwacky Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 A sex toy store is not a porn site. Not for you maybe, not for me. But for parents who think that we should be teaching our children abstinence and who are uncomfortable with sex, yes, a sex toy site may qualify as porn. From Merriam Webster: 1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement Just went and checked of "those" sites. They don't just picture the item and give you a dry description of what it's for. For a parent who would rather hide their child from all things sexual, I think they may consider the lovely woman licking the plastic....well, it might just qualify as porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 i am not sure i will approve the lovely lady scenario on the net link - maybe the problem is it is too readily accessible and real situations i would say nothing was compromise going to the store i didn't see the lovely lady doing anything there although most of the cover of the products had lovely ladies and insinuated the scenario i meant when i visit the toy store it was more educational , it was a routine exercise if anything, nothing erotic, i mean i even follow thru with the marketing of the products - well the kid might as well learn business sense while we are at it, they had some devices there for people experiencing problems maybe because of some medical condition, so went through that also but i did buy a teenager book that had drawings and had toys well where do one draw the line and how liberal are we suppose to be, and how much can you corrupt the child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Not for you maybe, not for me. But for parents who think that we should be teaching our children abstinence and who are uncomfortable with sex, yes, a sex toy site may qualify as porn. But the students aren't even being exposed to the sites: those are for the teacher's reference, as the quote from the minister indicated. In any case, I don't think attacking this program based on what students might possibly be exposed to is a valid criticism. It's pretty clear that this parent's group is not concerned about what kind of education students get, but about getting a program in plac ehat conforms to their ideaology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackwacky Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Not for you maybe, not for me. But for parents who think that we should be teaching our children abstinence and who are uncomfortable with sex, yes, a sex toy site may qualify as porn. But the students aren't even being exposed to the sites: those are for the teacher's reference, as the quote from the minister indicated. LOL, I am being misunderstood. The thread was asking if the headline was too misleading, that is what I was replying to. The headline was "parents: sex-ed course links to porn". I argued that the headline was okay, because it stated the truth...that some parents said that the course links to porn. Thats all. As to what qualifies as porn, I wasn't really going there. Except to say that one persons pornography is anothers artwork and vice versa. So one parent may feel that a site selling sex toys is porn..and that is how they submit it to the media. Thus the headline: "Parents: Sex-Ed course links to Porn". Unfortunately very typical of our capitalistic press which tries to hook you with very inappropriate and sensationalistic headlines. That was the statement I was, initially, trying to reply to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted December 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 This is all fine and dandy to put your heads in the sand and act like HIV/AIDS and other STDs don't exist. No wonder schools have to intervene to help the children with sex education. Thank goodness for our professional educators who are living in the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackwacky Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 This is all fine and dandy to put your heads in the sand and act like HIV/AIDS and other STDs don't exist. No wonder schools have to intervene to help the children with sex education. Thank goodness for our professional educators who are living in the real world. How sanctimonious. I hardly have my head in the sand, when it comes to HIV or STD's...I was merely trying to stay on topic. Whoever actually started this thread was trying to make a big deal out of the medias use of truth in headlining. As for sex eduction in schools...only to the extent that the parents are comfortable with it. Already our teachers spend far too much time and energy on activities outside of teaching the basics. You can cover the essentials about STD's and HIV in a health class, and unless asked and agreed otherwise, all remaining "sexual" education is best left up to the parents. A teachers mandate does not include moral or spiritual education, and any curriculum of this sort leaves too much room for personal judgment and prejudices. These people have an agenda here. By their own admission, they don't want kids to get comprehensive sex education. And so they're using this spurious claim to shut it down. These people!? These are the parents of the kids...yes, they do have an agenda. And yes, both as parents and taxpayers, they do have the right to choose what is taught to their children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted December 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Let's leave the teaching up to the teachers, people who are professsional educators, that have been trained in educational matters. Healthy parents support teachers, not attack them at every opportunity. Parents are happy to support professional athletes wages, yet they won't support decent wages for teachers. Parents need to clue into what their own personal value systems are teaching their children. A good teacher teaches children to think for themselves, and if they are able to impart at least that, they have done a great service to the student. What's wrong with the following picture? Parents Go on Strike, Move to Front Yard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackwacky Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Parents are happy to support professional athletes wages, yet they won't support decent wages for teachers. Parents need to clue into what their own personal value systems are teaching their children. Which parents are so happy about supporting the professional athletes? Not any that I have talked to. Which athletes are we talking about here? What constitutes a decent wage? For the 8 months or so they work per year, teachers in Canada do okay financially. It's not like parents have a choice in whether they "support" the teachers financially....death and taxes you know. But I am sure a healthy parent will be happy to blindly pay for whatever drivel is on todays educational agenda. Remember sight words? Is this still the same topic? If the parents have a good value system, do they still have to clue in to what it is teaching their children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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