Layton Strikes While Iron Is Hot

[Choke]

No dumbass: the point is that its not appropriate to boo down members of Parliment.

Uh, they do it all the time in the British parliament, you know, the one ours is modelled on? And not just the fringe idiots get booed, Tony Blair does.

This is especially ironic giventhat Bush skipped out on addressing parliment because his handlers and quislings feared he'd get heckled.

Or mabye Layton should learn from Bush's example.

[Stoker]

No dumbass: the point is that its not appropriate to boo down members of Parliment. This is especially ironic giventhat Bush skipped out on addressing parliment because his handlers and quislings feared he'd get heckled.

Good point, do you think if Bush had of addressed Parliment, that some of the NDP and Bloc (Perhaps some Libs) members would not have heckled him?

Mr pot, meet mr kettle

And to be clear, I think Bush should have addressed Parliment and I'm very dissapointed that he didn't.......but I'm of the understanding that it was the Martin government that didn't want him to address parliment.

A video clip of Layton's snit

[maplesyrup]

Bush's people decided for him not to address Parliament as they were worried about left wing hecklers based on information they rreceived from PM Martin's people.

Don't you remeber all the comments about being polite to Bush in our supposedly unbiased mainstream press? Polite and unbiased my ass.

The speaker really screwed up yesterday as he probably should have tossed out most of the Conservative caucus and some of the Liberals for their RUDENESS,

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[Black Dog]

Good point, do you think if Bush had of addressed Parliment, that some of the NDP and Bloc (Perhaps some Libs) members would not have heckled him?

Difference is, of course, I never approved of the idea of heckling Bush. I simmply wouldn' have shown up.

You on teh otehr hand, are defending what could be a breach of parlimentary protocol simply becasue you don't agree with the speaker. So much for the right's belief in freedom of speech. (Not that conservatives have any principles anyway...)

[Stoker]

You on teh otehr hand, are defending what could be a breach of parlimentary protocol simply becasue you don't agree with the speaker.

Where did I defend anything? My responce to this topic, is the childish behavoir of Jack Layton.......If he was serious about this topic, he could have talked through/over the hecklers.....instead, when the boo-birds started, and layton didn't have the undivided attention of Parliment, he sat down, moaned and wasted time.

But I will ask, what parlimentary protocol was breached? Is wasting the time of the speaker and fellow members of parliment a breach of protocol? If so, Layton should be punished.

So much for the right's belief in freedom of speech. (Not that conservatives have any principles anyway...)

Layton had the opportunity to speak, did he not? Instead when the other MPs were expressing their freedom of speech, layton wasted time by repeatadly sitting down.

In the end, layton got to speak his (twisted) mind, and was also granted the courtesy of having his idiotic ramblings shot down by the forgein affairs minister.

What was his question again?

Mr. Speaker, will the Prime Minister say no to Canadian flags on George Bush's missiles?

He's an idiot!!! It has already been announced that missile defence will be voted on........does Layton expect Martin to see into the future, thus knowing the results of the future vote?

If Mad Jack can't take the heat of some boo birds in the house of commons, perhaps he should go back to selling, used (abit enviromently friendly) cars or whatever he did before....

[maplesyrup]

Layton says rights breached by Commons hecklers

I wonder what the speaker is going to do to try and have the House of Commons business conducted in an orderly manner. Do you think he is going to have to start turfing some of the more obnoxious members out on a regular basis until they learn some manners - where do they think they are anyways, the US?

[Choke]

You on teh sic otehr [sic] hand, are defending what could be a breach of parlimentary protocol simply becasue you don't agree with the speaker. So much for the right's belief in freedom of speech. (Not that conservatives have any principles anyway...) So much for the right's belief in freedom of speech.

I believe in letting the majority rule, and they can rule that Layton should shut up.

I wonder what the speaker is going to do to try and have the House of Commons business conducted in an orderly manner.

I think he's going to have to tell Layton he's fired.

Do you think he is going to have to start turfing some of the more obnoxious members out on a regular basis until they learn some manners - where do they think they are anyways, the US?

Yeah, like Layton, what the hell is wrong with him anyway?

[maplesyrup]

I see nothing gets by you.

[Choke]

I'm a clever one, I am.

[Black Dog]

Where did I defend anything? My responce to this topic, is the childish behavoir of Jack Layton.......If he was serious about this topic, he could have talked through/over the hecklers.....instead, when the boo-birds started, and layton didn't have the undivided attention of Parliment, he sat down, moaned and wasted time.

So Layton, who was attempting to speak in his turn, is the one wasting time here? Sorry, but your rigorous attempt to indict Layton and the conspicuous absence of any criticism for the hecklers betrays your predjudice.

But I will ask, what parlimentary protocol was breached? Is wasting the time of the speaker and fellow members of parliment a breach of protocol? If so, Layton should be punished.

See?

Layton had the opportunity to speak, did he not? Instead when the other MPs were expressing their freedom of speech, layton wasted time by repeatadly sitting down.

From Hansard:

The Speaker: Order, please. The hon. member for Toronto—Danforth is entitled to put his question despite the excitement that it generates. I would hope that hon. members would show a little restraint until they have heard the whole question. Then perhaps there will be the necessary applause or cheering.

It's hardly Layton's fault the gibbering apes of the Conservative caucus couldn't control temselves.

I believe in letting the majority rule, and they can rule that Layton should shut up.

No they can't. That's why there's such a thing as protocol. Dumbass.

(BTW: spelling flames? So lame.)

[Cartman]

Not so muccchhh

[Choke]

No they can't. That's why there's such a thing as protocol.

Which hasn't been breached or something would've been done about it.

[Newfie Canadian]

In regards to Layton's little talk with Bush, I don't begrudge it to him. It's probably the only time he'll ever get an opportunity like that. Bush, probably being briefed beforehand about Layton and their (NDP) position probably just ignored him anyway.

In regards to the shenadigans in QP, what else is new? I think it was August somewhere in this thread that implied that QP in the HoC can be an exercise in immaturity.

Layton, as well as all MPs, should be allowed to ask their questions any way they choose as long as it do not violate the protocols of the House, which apparently it didn't.

It's a wonderful example that the booing MPs set for the electorate. If you don't like it, shout it down.

So much for tollerance.

[Stoker]

PM says Bush assured him missile plan won't involve space-based weapons......

[Choke]

If you don't like it, shout it down.

So much for tollerance.

Since when are we required to tolerate ridiculous behaviour?

[maplesyrup]

If you don't like it, shout it down.

So much for tollerance.

Since when are we required to tolerate ridiculous behaviour?

Stop wasting everyone's time here.

Back up what you are talking about with specific details and links, and lose the inuendo and hyperbole. :angry:

[Newfie Canadian]

If you don't like it, shout it down.

So much for tollerance.

Since when are we required to tolerate ridiculous behaviour?

What ridiculous behaviour are you referring to?

The leader of a national party was trying to ask a question. He has the right and obligation to do so.

The fact that he a bit of a preamble is irrelevant. I've watched Peter MacKay ramble on before asking a question.

And I'm not saying this because I like Layton. I don't really. I'd say the same thing for any MP.

[Choke]

I think that anything the Conservatives can do to make Layton shut up is worth the effort, if booing accomplishes it, so be it.

[maplesyrup]

The House of Commons is not a hockey game.

Anyway the more boorish behaviour on the part of any member will eventually discredit that person or party in the eyes of the voter.

[Choke]

If I was talking to someone and they started talking about weapons in space and how evil that is, I would tell them they were being ridiculous. If they were obnoxious about it, like Layton is, I'd tell them to shut up. I would expect my member of parliament to represent the feelings of his constituents, which in this case would be best accomplished by booing. However, if somebody decided to punch him, I'd be for that too.

[Guest eureka]

You are coming off as one here with your comments. In fact you are challenging Stoker for the right to have your dumbass spelled with a capital D.

Layton is the most intelligent of the Party leaders. He was not a "used car salesman" but a University professor before politics.

This kind of behaviour in Question Period is not to be tolerated and the boo birds should have been named and suspended. It does not happen in the British Parliament - as someone ignorant of Parliamentary procedure claimed. QP can be boisterous but it is controlled.

Martin and Harper should be made to publicly apologize to Layton and read the riot act to their caucuses. I doubt that either has the grace to do it though.

[Stoker]

Layton is the most intelligent of the Party leaders. He was not a "used car salesman" but a University professor before politics.

So thats why his party is fourth in seats in the House of commons?

This kind of behaviour in Question Period is not to be tolerated and the boo birds should have been named and suspended. It does not happen in the British Parliament - as someone ignorant of Parliamentary procedure claimed. QP can be boisterous but it is controlled.

Does the left (Labour?) in the British Parliament have a kook on par with comrade Layton?

Martin and Harper should be made to publicly apologize to Layton and read the riot act to their caucuses. I doubt that either has the grace to do it though.

Layton should apologise for talking out of his arse, wrt BMD and the disscussion he had with Bush/Powell......or at the very least, make public the entire conversation that he had with Bush/Powell.....all Canadians should be privy to the secrect talks in which Bush outlayed his plan to build a Deathstar to Comrade Layton.

[maplesyrup]

I'd tell them to shut up. I would expect my member of parliament to represent the feelings of his constituents, which in this case would be best accomplished by booing. However, if somebody decided to punch him, I'd be for that too.

And yet you accuse others of being extremist!

Isn't this the way the Nazis began their rise to power in Germany?

[Choke]

Layton is the most intelligent of the Party leaders. He was not a "used car salesman" but a University professor before politics.

What's his IQ? What's Martin's? What's Harper's? What's Duceppe's? If you want to claim he's the smartest, back it up.

This kind of behaviour in Question Period is not to be tolerated and the boo birds should have been named and suspended.

I think mabye Layton should be prosecuted for hate crimes against Americans.

It does not happen in the British Parliament - as someone ignorant of Parliamentary procedure claimed. QP can be boisterous but it is controlled.

Often it is not very controlled, but Blair is such a baby and will just talk over the boos instead of sitting down and crying.

Isn't this the way the Nazis began their rise to power in Germany?

No, I don't think they rose to power on the back of the "boo". In Taiwan they have fist-fights in the legistlature without it threatening democracy.

[maplesyrup]

which in this case would be best accomplished by booing. However, if somebody decided to punch him, I'd be for that too.

That's fascism pal plain & simple. :angry: