marcus Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 Israel has done what it needed to do in Gaza when it faced unprovoked rocket attacks from Hamas and other terrorist groups that operate from within Gaza. As for humanitarian action, you should do some research, because Israel provides a vast amount of humanitarian aid to Gaza, without which the population, which has unfortunately focused all its energies on impotent warfare rather than society-building, would be far worse off than they are. Only someone who has no knowledge of the area would buy the false narrative above. The truth is that report after report from credible humanitarian organizations have repeatedly condemned Israel for violations of human rights and international law. Israel has created an open-aired prison and only through severe pressure from the international community they've allowed some aid coming in from 'outside' of Israel to trickle into occupied Gaza. And we all know that it's another false narrative that Israel is only "responding" to "unprovoked attacks". Of course, if you repeat that false information you might even convince yourself it's the truth. The truth is that Israel has always been the aggressor and they depend on these wars to continue an industry built on destruction and division, supported by the big old Hasbara machine. Aljazeera, which is the site Hudson linked to in the OP, has routinely aired opinions from various "experts" that have held such views. Why do you insist on not accepting Israel's own former Mossad chief's word? It was THE CHIEF OF MOSSAD who admitted Israel is supporting Al Qaeda and when pressed, he finally stepped out of the laughable explanation that Israel is providing more than "humanitarian" support to Al Qaeda. There are many types of Zionists. I prefer the unapologetic far right Zionists like Lieberman, who don't try to sugar coat Israel's intentions over Liberal Zionists who present a false narrative to explain their way through their support for a rogue state who doesn't give a shit about humanitarian efforts. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Hudson Jones Posted June 3, 2016 Author Report Posted June 3, 2016 The evidence is there, from multiple sources. The UN, for example, has observed and recorded ongoing coordination between Israel and Al Qaeda/Al Nusra. Quarterly UNDOF reports reveal an ongoing pattern of Israeli coordination with those armed groups. According to the December 2014 report, UNDOF observed two Israeli soldiers “opening the technical fence gate and letting two individuals pass from the [syrian] to the [israeli] side” on 27 October. Unlike most fighters seen entering the Israeli side, these individuals were not wounded and the purpose of their visit remains a mystery. UNDOF “sporadically observed armed members of the opposition interacting” with the Israeli military across the ceasefire line, the report states. The next UNDOF report, released in March, notes that UN forces witnessed Israeli soldiers delivering material aid to armed Syrian opposition groups. “During the evening of 20 January, in the area north of observation post 54, UNDOF observed two trucks crossing from the [syrian] side to the [israeli] side, where they were received by IDF [israeli military] personnel,” the report states. “The trucks were loaded with sacks before returning to the [syrian] side.” The coordination between Israel and armed opposition groups continued into May, according to the June UNDOF report. So why would supporting the terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda and ISIS be good for Israel? Because: 1) They are fighting Hezbollah/Iran 2) It would solidify their occupation of Golan Heights Oh and lol @ this is being about humanitarian reasons. Israel and its apologists have no moral compass. Israel will do whatever it can to achieve its selfish agenda. This includes working with terrorist groups, kill civilians, violate countless international law and of course, lie about it. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 So why would supporting the terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda and ISIS be good for Israel? Because: Yes, yes, because Israel is the font of all evil, so of course they would work with Al Quaeda and Isis. What you haven't come up with is a reason why Al Quaeda and ISIS, which are made up of the most fanatic of Muslim religious fanatics, would work with Israel. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 Hudson Jones your response was past hilarious. Here are the words you tried to distort: "12. Crossing of the ceasefire line by civilians, primarily shepherds, was observedon an almost daily basis. On 24 October, United Nations observation post 73observed 12 IDF soldiers who detained one civilian between the Alpha line and theIsraeli technical fence south-east of the observation post and subsequently took himaway. IDF informed UNDOF that they released the person within one hour at thesame location. On 27 October, position 80 observed two IDF soldiers east of thetechnical fence returning from the direction of the Alpha line towards the technicalfence. UNDOF observed IDF opening the technical fence gate and letting twoindividuals pass from the Bravo to the Alpha side." Oh well then they let two Israeli soldiers back in there's proof of collaboration with Al Quaeda, Oh but wait, you infer because they saw a truck with sacks going to and from Israel, it must mean collaboration with Al Quaeda. Lol. You just proved again you have zero proof, zero and fabricate and the evidence you claim is a joke. Uh yah, sacks. Quote I come to you to hell.
Rue Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 https://ukmediawatch.org/2015/12/10/daily-mail-misleads-on-alleged-connection-between-israel-and-al-qaeda/ The above provides a very clear retort to the false crap spread by Iran about Israel supporting Al Quaeda because it provides humanitarian aid. This is of course something Hudson Jones and those who support Iran and Syria and Hezbollah on this forum can't acknowledge. Quote I come to you to hell.
Rue Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Wait it gets better. Do you think Hudson Jones would acknowledge the following which claims Al Quaeda and Iran were connected? Lol. http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/02/17/iran-a-chronology-of-disinformation/ http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/02/treasury_iranian_int.php Edited June 3, 2016 by Rue Quote I come to you to hell.
Rue Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Hey ISIS? Oh yah sure allies of Israel here have fun: http://www.debka.com/article/25408/ Yep they are coming to make love. The above is a may 8/ 16 article. As you can see it makes a mockery of Hudson Jones' disinformation about Al Quaeda being allied with Israel. But wait before Hudson Jones calls it Zionist lies let's see what the Arab press thinks.... http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/en/originals/2014/01/al-qaeda-israel-threat.html Well golly gee they agree. Here's further analysis that makes a mockery of Jones false claim: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/israel-vs.-al-qaeda-emerging-challenges-on-two-fronts Edited June 3, 2016 by Rue Quote I come to you to hell.
Rue Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 Here though is something Mr. Jones I am sure would be glad to explain: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Al-Qaida-leader-praises-stabbing-attacks-in-Israel-offers-plan-to-Liberate-Palestine-431844 One of the reasons I get disgusted by the amateur attempts to piss on Israel with disinformation on this board is because if someone makes an effort they can see just how much drivel it is to suggest an organization whose goal among other things is the genocide of Jews would be allied with Israel. All you have to do is see why and who would spread such crap. Well it aint rocket science, Al Nusrah affiliated with Al Quaeda BUT NOT Al Quaeda is the primary Syrian rebel group. Its no secret that the US and Saudi Arabia as well as Egypt and Jordan support it. Al Nusrah is not Al Quaeda. It is absolutely true the IDF has taken in rebel fighters for medical care. They have never denied this but they were not Al Quaeda. That would be as absurd as Israel offering aid to Iran and Hezbollah in Iran. Quote I come to you to hell.
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