Fort McMurray wildfire

[BC_chick]

Exactly, mostly when Trudeau promised better relations with the Russians........I'm sure the ethnic Ukrainian population would love Trudeau welcoming the Russians

Not just Russia. US, Mexican, Israel, Australia, Taiwan too...

[msj]

This is disgusting: https://pbs.twimg.co...Eu-Iu.jpg:small

Mack Lamoureux has had to point out that this is a fake news story since his name is "Mack" and not "Mark" for one thing.

It reminds me of the partisans in this forum.

I wonder with the Slave Lake fire were leftists making crap up like this?

During the floods a couple years back, same thing?

Were leftists blaming the conservative government and making stuff up?

The partisan whining is bad enough but really?

[Derek 2.0]

You of course know, (I hope) that refugees sponsored by the Government of Canada are the responsibility of the Government of Canada, where disaster evacuees are the responsibility of the province.

Odd, the Syrians in British Columbia have already been dumped on BC Housing..........none the less, as linked on the previous page, there is a formula, that by law, requires the Federal Government pick-up 90% of disaster related tabs after a monetary threshold based on population size..In Alberta's case, that's at around ~$50 million dollars.........

But nice attempt at squaring that circle, as to why Syrians get put in hotels but Canadians get put head-toe in virus ridden gyms, warehouses and convention/agri centers, better suited to cattle auctions and boat shows.........The Trudeau Government is treating Syrian refugees better than the Canadian taxpayers that are paying for them.......

[Derek 2.0]

Yes, everyone from from the field to Ralph Goodale have repeatedly said it's out of control.

I know, and damn near every media outlet......here in BC, our resources are already stretched fighting the big fire up near Fort St. John, so much so we couldn't send resources to Alberta.

[Smallc]

Odd, the Syrians in British Columbia have already been dumped on BC Housing

After their initial arrival and expenses, they become the responsibility of the provinces, just like everyone else.

.........none the less, as linked on the previous page, there is a formula, that by law, requires the Federal Government pick-up 90% of disaster related tabs after a monetary threshold based on population size..In Alberta's case, that's at around ~$50 million dollars.........

And the expenses are made by the province, not Ottawa. The money is simply reimbursed.

But nice attempt at squaring that circle, as to why Syrians get put in hotels but Canadians get put head-toe in virus ridden gyms, warehouses and convention/agri centers, better suited to cattle auctions and boat shows.........The Trudeau Government is treating Syrian refugees better than the Canadian taxpayers that are paying for them.......

You partisanship knows no bounds.

The Government of Alberta is in charge of this operation.

[Smallc]

I know, and damn near every media outlet......here in BC, our resources are already stretched fighting the big fire up near Fort St. John, so much so we couldn't send resources to Alberta.

Whereas in Quebec, one of two provinces with vast fire infrastructure, there is not a single fire. That's why they sent almost as much tanker capacity as the province of Alberta usually contracts in the form of 4 Bombardier 415s (something Alberta doesn't even have). Ontario and New Brunswick also sent help.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Smallc

[Smallc]

Not just Russia. US, Mexican, Israel, Australia, Taiwan too...

As I've shown, Trudeau isn't the one who made the determination.

[Derek 2.0]

Not just Russia. US, Mexican, Israel, Australia, Taiwan too...

Exactly, BC companies go down to Australia in our winter season (their Summer), and have even been contracted by the Australian government to fight fires in other nations in the region.........If resources are too stretched to fight this fire properly, I fail to see a valid reason not to accept said offers........its purely vain politics on Trudeau's part.

[msj]

there is a formula, that by law, requires the Federal Government pick-up 90% of disaster related tabs after a monetary threshold based on population size..In Alberta's case, that's at around ~$50 million dollars.........

So you're saying that the total eligible costs here are going to be about $65 million so the Feds only will pay about $50 million?

Really? https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/mrgnc-mngmnt/rcvr-dsstrs/dsstr-fnncl-ssstnc-rrngmnts/index-en.aspx#a04

Given that the Feds are already at that level with matching donations to the Red Cross I highly doubt any numbers until I actually see the expenditures in hindsight rather than the musings of a partisan.

Edited May 10, 2016 by msj

[Derek 2.0]

As I've shown, Trudeau isn't the one who made the determination.

Huh?

[BC_chick]

I know, and damn near every media outlet......here in BC, our resources are already stretched fighting the big fire up near Fort St. John, so much so we couldn't send resources to Alberta.

Yeah, that was weird seeing anyone trying to contest the 'out of control' aspect. It's pretty much mentioned in every article out there.

[Derek 2.0]

Whereas in Quebec, one of two provinces with vast fire infrastructure, there is not a single fire. That's why they sent almost as much tanker capacity as the province of Alberta usually contracts in the form of 4 Bombardier 415s (something Alberta doesn't even have). Ontario and New Brunswick also sent help.

Stop talking out of your ass......despite the cuts by the Alberta Government, they still contract out far more than 4 aerial bombers .....the sole, cut, tanker group that was based south of Fort Mac was home to more than four water bombers

Edited May 10, 2016 by Derek 2.0

[Derek 2.0]

Yeah, that was weird seeing anyone trying to contest the 'out of control' aspect. It's pretty much mentioned in every article out there.

Exactly, and quoted by the Alberta Forestry head that is on the scene, countless times in media.

[Smallc]

Huh?

"The decision was made by the firefighters in the emergency management system that (foreign help) wasn't necessary because of the nature of this blaze," Goodale said following question period.

[Smallc]

Stop talking out of your ass......despite the cuts by the Alberta Government, they still contract out far more than 4 aerial bombers

Not all water bombers are created equal. 1 Bombardier 415 is worth something like 2 Canadair CL-215s...which are worth more than any of the other tankers Alberta contracts.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Smallc

[Derek 2.0]

You partisanship knows no bounds.

The Government of Alberta is in charge of this operation.

Hilarious........I'm the partisan one because I'm asking why Trudeau will go into debt putting Syrians up in hotels, but Canadians get stacked in like cattle......and you defend his inaction?

[cybercoma]

Huh?

The offers were reviewed against the requirements, as determined by the people on the ground who Smallc mentioned, and it was determined that international help is not necessary. Why's that so tough to understand? If things are organized and under control now, the last thing they need is more people out there tripping over each other. Besides, what makes you think you know better what they need than the actual people fighting the fires right now? This whining about not accepting international support is nothing more than partisan theatrics.

[Derek 2.0]

"The decision was made by the firefighters in the emergency management system that (foreign help) wasn't necessary because of the nature of this blaze," Goodale said following question period.

What link are you quoting from?

[Derek 2.0]

The offers were reviewed against the requirements

By who? The Trudeau Government?

[cybercoma]

By who? The Trudeau Government?

Do you see Notley or the firefighters criticizing them for turning down the aid?

[Smallc]

What link are you quoting from?

I linked to it earlier in a paper from Haida Gwaii. Here's another from the WFP:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/trudeau-turns-down-russian-us-mexican-offers-to-help-fight-fort-mac-wildfire-378675091.html

[Smallc]

Hilarious........I'm the partisan one because I'm asking why Trudeau will go into debt putting Syrians up in hotels, but Canadians get stacked in like cattle......and you defend his inaction?

I can't help you if you aren't willing to acknowledge that there are jurisdictional issues involved.

[Derek 2.0]

Not all water bombers are created equal. 1 Bombardier 415 is worth something like 2 Canadair CL-215s...which are worth more than any of the other tankers Alberta contracts.

And the old Electras operated by Conair and Air Spray (the two contractors in Alberta) are worth 2-3 415s and there are a bunch of them and everything else under the sun........so what's your point?

[Derek 2.0]

Do you see Notley or the firefighters criticizing them for turning down the aid?

No, but then they are busy.......Trudeau met with Alex Trebek last week to try and get Canadians back on Jeopardy.

[Smallc]

And the old Electras operated by Conair and Air Spray (the two contractors in Alberta) are worth 2-3 415s

They can carry twice as much water...after landing and having their tanks filled. The 415 can fill its tanks from most bodies of water in 12 seconds.