Ontario Liberals Corruption Laid Bare

[waldo]

If member Waldo believes this plan wasn't a leak from government officials, then I'd like to know where he believes it came from? The PCs or the Globe and Mail just making stuff up? That's quite an accusation.

if MLW member Boges believes this supposed draft plan was a leak from government officials, name them... present where the G&M has identified the supposed draft leak as such... present where the G&M identifies who provided the leaked draft copy to them - and if not who by person, just that it came from a "government source". Cause I guess I missed that.

thing is, MLW member Boges, I've read that G&M article and... surprisingly... no where in it does the article speak to banning natural gas - go figure, hey! No where in it does the article speak to natural gas not being a part of the Ontario population's home energy heating options in the future. So how did the supposed leak... of a supposed draft copy... DRAFT, morph into "a ban on natural gas"? Riddle me that, hey MLW member Boges? Tell me it wasn't that wascally Rebel Commander at it again - was it?

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[Boges]

I think using the word "ban" is a way for the Wynne Liberals to shift focus. I don't think I said ban, I'm not sure who did.

Obviously the term is to "phase out" Natural gas. The report states that new home construction must use electricity or geo-thermal by 2030 and all must use alternative sources by 2050. The plan is clearly to not to use Natural Gas anymore in the future.

Is the government now saying that this is not the plan? Or that phasing out by 2050 isn't banning? They clearly can't ban Natural Gas anytime soon because a good percentage of electricity is generated by it.

Again I'm not sure why we're debating this in this thread but whatevs.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Boges

[waldo]

The report states

Again I'm not sure why we're debating this in this thread but whatevs.

yes, obviously you accept anything stated concerning a plan yet to be released. You wholeheartedly accept an article that is supposedly based on a "leaked draft", where the source isn't even identified to the most broad level. Notwithstanding, even if the supposed draft has legitimacy, it's a DRAFT! Are you so pressed for material that you can't actually wait for the formal release of the actual plan... the final plan? As for which thread, I don't recall the other thread you're speaking to... in any case, this one would seem to fit the typical bleating and gut-wrenching from the usual suspects over "the baring of Ontario Liberals". Feel free to shift this on over to the thread you keep referencing... cause I don't recall it.

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[Boges]

yes, obviously you accept anything stated concerning a plan yet to be released. You wholeheartedly accept an article that is supposedly based on a "leaked draft", where the source isn't even identified to the most broad level. Notwithstanding, even if the supposed draft has legitimacy, it's a DRAFT! Are you so pressed for material that you can't actually wait for the formal release of the actual plan... the final plan? As for which thread, I don't recall the other thread you're speaking to... in any case, this one would seem to fit the typical bleating and gut-wrenching from the usual suspects over "the baring of Ontario Liberals". Feel free to shift this on over to the thread you keep referencing... cause I don't recall it.

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My claim, in member Argus' thread which we don't appear to want to use now, was the draft was released as a trial balloon to see the public's appetite for "phasing out" Natural Gas as well as other more immediate green features like subsidizing up to half of the cost of an electric car and ensuring that if a family has more than one car, one must be hybrid or electric in the next 8 years.

I would argue a forceful denial using the word "ban". Indicates that the plan is overwhelmingly unpopular.

"The criticism that we have been getting is that we were going to be banning natural gas, and that is not something that we're doing," Wynne said after meeting Alberta Premier Rachel Notley in Edmonton Thursday.

And though I believe this government is completely corrupt, the story regarding this Green Plan doesn't meet the standards of corruption as far as I can gather.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Boges

[scribblet]

Why did this not go in the thread commenting about the plan.

If member Waldo believes this plan wasn't a leak from government officials, then I'd like to know where he believes it came from? The PCs or the Globe and Mail just making stuff up? That's quite an accusation.

The Globe and Mail has the whole text of the blueprint but you have to be a subscriber to be able to read it. It sure was a gov't document which was to be debated in cabinet. The Liberals are now denying that they planned to phase natural gas out because of the outcry, and rightly so.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-to-spend-7-billion-in-sweeping-climate-change-plan/article30029081/

[waldo]

The Globe and Mail has the whole text of the blueprint but you have to be a subscriber to be able to read it.

"the whole text"... and nothing but the text... so help you...! But that would be the supposed leaked DRAFT, yes? From a source the G&M won't even identify to the broadest anonymous level - that "blueprint"? The real plan, the FINAL (not DRAFT) plan is slated to be released in early June... why so impatient, hey?

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