Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Bring the F-18's home, jack up the training mission to a realistic number. Equip the Peshmurga. Then we might see some success. The peshmurga are limited to small areas of the north. They're not going to push ISIS out of Syria or central Iraq. Why the hell should they? It's not their territory, and while the Suunis are too chickshit to fight against the Shia they'll damn sure fight the Kurds to take it back afterward. Edited September 5, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
On Guard for Thee Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Believe it or not you can't blame every single thing in the world you don't like on Stephen Harper. No, just the things I don't like about what Canada is doing. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 How did ISIS come to be? Hint: Ali ibn Abi Talib That's rich, even from you. I'd say the fact that ISIS is driving around in American MRAP's is a little more to the point. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 So your solution is to do nothing. I have already enumerated my approach, too bad if you missed it. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Not today, Derek. Go troll someone else. Troll? That's odd, I thought this was a discussion board, furthermore you responded to my post..........I suppose your cited Westphalian doctrine isn't worth discussing after all. Quote
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 perhaps you might be inclined to read the following review on that self-serving Harper Conservative press release you think means something: What makes you think some bloggers's poorly thought out opinion is any more intelligent than the ones you post here? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 He left because the US declared (an illegal) war. Ad they had o idea what they were doing other than how to drop bombs. No understanding of the actual politics. Then when they left, they left a ton of heavy duty war materiel, which ISIS is now driving around in. They stayed for many years while the Shia and the Sunis fought a bloody war together, trying to piece together some sort of civilization there among uncivilized people. They then spent years training the Iraqi army and equipping them. However, the democratically elected government made generals and other senior officers out of their friends and relatives, and these people often stole the mens paycheques and sold their equpment while living high off the hog in palaces. When the ISIS fighters showed up the Iraqi arm all fled without fighting. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 clearly... you didn't read it! "Human rights abuses are not tied to any particular continent." No, you're right. They're mostly tied to non-democratic countries, and those exist everywhere, unfortunately. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) d Edited September 5, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
On Guard for Thee Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 They stayed for many years while the Shia and the Sunis fought a bloody war together, trying to piece together some sort of civilization there among uncivilized people. They then spent years training the Iraqi army and equipping them. However, the democratically elected government made generals and other senior officers out of their friends and relatives, and these people often stole the mens paycheques and sold their equpment while living high off the hog in palaces. When the ISIS fighters showed up the Iraqi arm all fled without fighting. If you are talking Al Maliki I don't think the idea of democratically elected should be used anywhere in the same phrase. The US didn't know what the hell they were doing by putting such a strong Shia supporter in power who ended empowerig all his cronies and alienating most everyone else who actually knew anything about running the country. By the time there was an attempt to correct all that, it was too late. Hello ISIS.. Quote
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 How do we do that? There are about twice as many Palestinian refugees (600,000) than are Syrian. Do we tell Israel to stop throwing them off their land and now take back those hundreds of thousands they forced out? I do not think Israel takes our (or any) directions. Most Palestinian refugees have been 'refugees' in the same place they were born for their whole lives. It has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with cynical Arab governments. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Posted September 5, 2015 Troll? That's odd, I thought this was a discussion board, furthermore you responded to my post..........I suppose your cited Westphalian doctrine isn't worth discussing after all.I said international law dates back as far as that. I'm not going to get sucked into your idiotic merry-go-round today. If you don't understand my point about national self-determination then get someone who has more patience for your garbage to explain it to you. Quote
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Refugees are people who are seeking refuge from their current country. Each nation has a policy of how many immigrants it will accept and how it will prioritize this intake. Nations, including Canada, try to limit immigrants to those who can fill job poitions that are needed and/or have marketable skills that will allow them to look after themselves. No they don't. They try to sort out which are the most desperate, and which aren't likely criminals or terrorists. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 This is one uninformed statement (and I don't use the real word your statement deserves out of respect for the board). There are a lot more Muslims (Shia, Yazidis, even Sunnis) killed by terrorist ISIS than Christians. There are more of the others killed because there were more of them living near ISIS, not because Christians are not endangered. And Christians are being persecuted all over the middle east, in every Muslim country. A Shia or a Suuni can live almost anywhere in the middle east where their co-religionists live without fear of persecution. There is nowhere in the middle east a Christian can live without fear of persecution. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Lets not bring more than what we can absorb immigrants or refugees. Those that we bring should be handpicked based on their education, skills and adaptability NOT religion or race as it is idiotic to do so Again, we do not pick refugees based on their education, skills or adaptability. You're thinking of immigrants. We pick them based on how endangered they are in their current location, as well as who might be willing to sponsor them, and their possible danger to Canada. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Probably not, but at least then we may start to do something to effectively assist in achieving it. Like send blankets? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 You know what you do? You go back to the Treaty of Westphalia 1648 and you respect nations' sovereignty. States have the right to national self-determination. Canada cannot engage in war in Syria without violating international law. If they request assistance, then we can respond. I would tend to agree, but that just means the war will go on and on and on and produce more refugees. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 No, but Stephen Harper did directly slash federal revenues as a proportion of GDP. Not being able to afford infrastructure is a direct results of his gutting of the federal bank accounts. I remember them talking about the need to rebuild roads and bridges back in the 1980s. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 I have already enumerated my approach, too bad if you missed it. Your unworkable approach? I didn't miss it. I dismissed it. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 If you are talking Al Maliki I don't think the idea of democratically elected should be used anywhere in the same phrase. The US didn't know what the hell they were doing by putting such a strong Shia supporter in power who ended empowerig all his cronies and alienating most everyone else who actually knew anything about running the country. By the time there was an attempt to correct all that, it was too late. Hello ISIS.. The US didn't put him in. He was elected in a UN supervised election. Which only means all the Shias voted for him, and since they were the largest tribe, that was that. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
On Guard for Thee Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Like send blankets? You already said that one once. That all ya got maybe? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 There are more of the others killed because there were more of them living near ISIS, not because Christians are not endangered. And Christians are being persecuted all over the middle east, in every Muslim country. A Shia or a Suuni can live almost anywhere in the middle east where their co-religionists live without fear of persecution. There is nowhere in the middle east a Christian can live without fear of persecution. Oh yeah the Sunni's and Shia are getting along swimmingly. Well except for the occasional explosion in a mosque or a market. Quote
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 You already said that one once. That all ya got maybe? Nope. It's all Trudeau's got, though. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Posted September 5, 2015 I would tend to agree, but that just means the war will go on and on and on and produce more refugees.Not to be blunt, but it's not our problem until we're asked for assistance. If the people being displaced asked the international community for assistance, then they need to sit down, figure out what's going on and decide. If the Syrian government decides to do nothing and allows these animals to run roughshod on their state, then that's the prerogative. It's up to the people of Syria to fight back. Choosing sides in civil wars never ends well, as far as I can tell from history. It's sad and it's bullshit, but the reality is states are sovereign and entitled to self-determination. If they're not interfering with other states, then they have to sort out their issues in the manner that they choose. If we can help refugees, then we must do so. But under no circumstances should we set the precedence that states have no sovereignty and we will decide for them who the winners and losers are in their struggles. It would be preferable if they would sort their problems out democratically, but that doesn't always happen and it's not for us to pick winners when it doesn't. Quote
Scotty Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Oh yeah the Sunni's and Shia are getting along swimmingly. Well except for the occasional explosion in a mosque or a market. But there are Shia places, like Iraq and Suuni places like Egypt. There are no Christian places anywhere in the middle east, meaning in any Muslim country, they won't be persecuted. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
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