Ontario Liberals and the Federal election

[Ash74]

If Wynne had been in power the O.P.P would still be investigating the cost over runs and the backroom deals

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/wynne-implies-transcontinental-railway-wouldnt-have-been-built-if-harper-was-prime-minister-then

I would also like to point out three O.P.P investigations are underway and have been for quite some time. Including a recording of staff from the premiers office trying to bribe a candidate.

Wynne of course has her own agenda here and I believe that she would be happy with a Harper win so she can blame her governments incompetence on the Federal Government.

[-1=e^ipi]

I think having provincial governments interfering with federal elections is great. People act like what happens federally and what happens provincial should be treated in isolation, but they affect each other. One failure of our current system is that there isn't much coordination between provincial and federal governments. Economy, education, healthcare and energy are all related yet we have the provincial governments determining a lot of this policy completely independent of federal governments.

Ontario has energy prices at twice the level of most of the rest of North America, has been getting recent credit downgrades and is on the path towards defaulting on it's debt, has been causing higher unemployment by raising the minimum wage, and unnecessarily duplicates education costs by having a Catholic school system. It would be silly to suggest that the stupidity of the Ontario government has had no influence in creating the recent recession.

[socialist]

I think having provincial governments interfering with federal elections is great. People act like what happens federally and what happens provincial should be treated in isolation, but they affect each other. One failure of our current system is that there isn't much coordination between provincial and federal governments. Economy, education, healthcare and energy are all related yet we have the provincial governments determining a lot of this policy completely independent of federal governments.

Ontario has energy prices at twice the level of most of the rest of North America, has been getting recent credit downgrades and is on the path towards defaulting on it's debt, has been causing higher unemployment by raising the minimum wage, and unnecessarily duplicates education costs by having a Catholic school system. It would be silly to suggest that the stupidity of the Ontario government has had no influence in creating the recent recession.

Kathleen Wynne understands the value and importance of a top notch public education system and she knows she has to pay educators a good wage to attract the best to the profession. In 10-15 years, due to an excellent public education system, Ontario will once again be the economic engine that propels Canada to prosperity.

[Ash74]

Kathleen Wynne understands the value and importance of a top notch public education system and she knows she has to pay educators a good wage to attract the best to the profession. In 10-15 years, due to an excellent public education system, Ontario will once again be the economic engine that propels Canada to prosperity.

http://rabble.ca/news/2015/05/ordered-back-to-work-ontario-teachers-say-this-labour-dispute-isnt-over

Different party same crying...........

[blueblood]

Kathleen Wynne understands the value and importance of a top notch public education system and she knows she has to pay educators a good wage to attract the best to the profession. In 10-15 years, due to an excellent public education system, Ontario will once again be the economic engine that propels Canada to prosperity.

Yes we can never have too much sociology degree people working at starbucks.

All those kids drank the kool aid that a university degree automatically is the key to prosperity. Schools are too big and they cant fail kids anymore. Yikes!! Lets not even get i to the absolutely useless crap thats in the ciriculum.

[socialist]

Yes we can never have too much sociology degree people working at starbucks.

All those kids drank the kool aid that a university degree automatically is the key to prosperity. Schools are too big and they cant fail kids anymore. Yikes!! Lets not even get i to the absolutely useless crap thats in the ciriculum.

I don't see much useless crap in the curriculum. Maybe you could provide some examples.

Why would you want to fail kids and damage their self-esteem for life? Why do you think that would be a good thing?

[Big Guy]

It is unusual for a politician on one level of government to participate in an election on a different level. Not sure what Wynne feels that she can do to help or hurt the federal Liberals. As Premier she really has no influence except possibly a negative one where those who dislike Wynne may transfer that to Trudeau. The only reason I can see her positioning behind Trudeau is to send a message to the grass roots Ontario Liberal machine that they are free to start to campaign, door stop etc for the federal Liberals.

Most elections are won on the ground by energetic supporters spending hours of their free volunteer time ringing door bells.

[Ash74]

I don't see much useless crap in the curriculum. Maybe you could provide some examples.

Why would you want to fail kids and damage their self-esteem for life? Why do you think that would be a good thing?

How is leaving them unprepared or uneducated help them?

Self esteem is a wonderful thing. So is knowing how to read.

I train my employee's but I do not cuddle them. If they fail to grasp the job I have hired them for than I fire them. That is the real world.

[blueblood]

I don't see much useless crap in the curriculum. Maybe you could provide some examples.

Why would you want to fail kids and damage their self-esteem for life? Why do you think that would be a good thing?

English lit = crap

Excessive amounts of science = crap

French = crap

Finance and accounting and exonomics should be mandatory to receiving a grade 12 so that kids know how an economy works and how to manage themselves.

As far as failing kids and hurting their self esteem - lifes hard wear a helmet. They also learn a valuable lesson in that hard work = success. We cant be "happy" all the time

[socialist]

English lit = crap

Excessive amounts of science = crap

French = crap

Finance and accounting and exonomics should be mandatory to receiving a grade 12 so that kids know how an economy works and how to manage themselves.

As far as failing kids and hurting their self esteem - lifes hard wear a helmet. They also learn a valuable lesson in that hard work = success. We cant be "happy" all the time

Well, thank goodness you are not a public educator. With that attitude, you wouldn't be teaching very long.

[socialist]

How is leaving them unprepared or uneducated help them?

Self esteem is a wonderful thing. So is knowing how to read.

I train my employee's but I do not cuddle them. If they fail to grasp the job I have hired them for than I fire them. That is the real world.

You fire people from what?

[Ash74]

You fire people from what?

For not being able to do the job I hired them for.

I train or have them trained and give ample amount of time. I also have regular meetings with new employee's and explain to them what they are doing right and wrong.

If they do not show up for their shifts without reason I terminate for that

Stealing

Sexual Harrassment

Violence.

[Ash74]

English lit = crap

Excessive amounts of science = crap

French = crap

Finance and accounting and exonomics should be mandatory to receiving a grade 12 so that kids know how an economy works and how to manage themselves.

As far as failing kids and hurting their self esteem - lifes hard wear a helmet. They also learn a valuable lesson in that hard work = success. We cant be "happy" all the time

That is harsh even for a right wing nut like me.

I do agree that this sense of entitlement that is going to leave a lot of very naive people behind.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/teacher-fired-for-giving-zeros-says-policy-hasn-t-changed-1.2753783

How is this educating?

Our Premier likes to think of herself as a defender of education and yet the teachers are still doing job actions on her government.

[-1=e^ipi]

Kathleen Wynne understands the value and importance of a top notch public education system

Is that why we have discovery math, are falling behind in science, and would rather teach social justice than math or science?

she has to pay educators a good wage to attract the best to the profession

Is that how you justify your large salary?

In 10-15 years, due to an excellent public education system, Ontario will once again be the economic engine that propels Canada to prosperity.

I doubt it. Though I don't plan to stick around with this sinking ship.

[blueblood]

Well, thank goodness you are not a public educator. With that attitude, you wouldn't be teaching very long.

Failing people and giving zeros has resulted in us having a robust economy and one of the wealthiest places to live. Fear of failure is a powerful motivator. Sounds like you teachers should go to your universitieas and ask for a refund for that degree

[socialist]

Is that why we have discovery math, are falling behind in science, and would rather teach social justice than math or science?

Is that how you justify your large salary?

I doubt it. Though I don't plan to stick around with this sinking ship.

So you are against social justice and teaching about white privilege?

What do you actually know about discovery/inquiry math? The whole country is going to the discovery method whether the government is NDP, Liberal, or PC. Discovert/inquiry math is a global initiative. I think it has something to do with Agenda 21.

[Ash74]

So you are against social justice and teaching about white privilege?

What do you actually know about discovery/inquiry math? The whole country is going to the discovery method whether the government is NDP, Liberal, or PC. Discovert/inquiry math is a global initiative. I think it has something to do with Agenda 21.

I will be damned if I feel guilty about being white anymore than I would feel prejudice towards another race.

Self loathing is not going to make the world a better place.

On this very thread you talked about self esteem and now you are preaching about teaching young students to be ashamed of being white.

Nice..............I am a man of many sin's for which I do not expect any forgiveness BUT I AM NOT A HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[socialist]

I will be damned if I feel guilty about being white anymore than I would feel prejudice towards another race.

Self loathing is not going to make the world a better place.

On this very thread you talked about self esteem and now you are preaching about teaching young students to be ashamed of being white.

Nice..............I am a man of many sin's for which I do not expect any forgiveness BUT I AM NOT A HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take a look at this Ash, whether you like it or not. We are building a more tolerant equal society.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/white-privilege-workshop-stirs-controversy-1.2794263

[Ash74]

Take a look at this Ash, whether you like it or not. We are building a more tolerant equal society.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/white-privilege-workshop-stirs-controversy-1.2794263

i read that when it was first published and I thought it was a joke than. As much as the teachers gestapo would like to control the world

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/11/30/ontario_teachers_labour_dispute_poll_suggests_nearly_50_believe_unions_tactics_ineffective.html

This articulate shows people supported the teachers when their contract was broken but have little love for the teachers union.

Sending people to brain washing courses is not going to help the cause

[-1=e^ipi]

So you are against social justice and teaching about white privilege?

I'm against brainwashing kids with propaganda and using time to do this rather than teach them useful skills or knowledge.

What do you actually know about discovery/inquiry math?

I've tutored people in undergraduate mathematics for income and I see what comes through our wonderful primary and secondary education system. I get people that can't even multiply 2 and 3 in there head without a calculator.

The whole country is going to the discovery method whether the government is NDP, Liberal, or PC.

Not Quebec, which has the highest math scores in the country.

Discovert/inquiry math is a global initiative.

Except countries like South Korea, which are doing very well in maths.

Edited August 10, 2015 by -1=e^ipi

[socialist]

I'm against brainwashing kids with propaganda and using time to do this rather than teach them useful skills or knowledge.

I've tutored people in undergraduate mathematics for income and I see what comes through our wonderful primary and secondary education system. I get people that can't even multiply 2 and 3 in there head without a calculator.

Not Quebec, which has the highest math scores in the country.

Except countries like South Korea, which are doing very well in maths.

Actually, coming out of university, I was a big proponent of discovery/inquiry math. I guess I was brainwashed by the university faculty who told me that the discovery method was best. Who was I to challenge? I thought I was being trained by experts.

Like you, I believe kids need to memorize basic facts and know how to do long division etc. But we are told not to do those things and we could be in serious trouble if we disobey our know-nothing administrators directives. It's frustrating, but we need to make a living too. No one listens to the lowly teacher who works i the trenches. We need to listen to 6 figure consultants, many of whom were failed teachers, and 6 figure administrators and superintendents. I'm as angry as anyone.

[Ash74]

Actually, coming out of university, I was a big proponent of discovery/inquiry math. I guess I was brainwashed by the university faculty who told me that the discovery method was best. Who was I to challenge? I thought I was being trained by experts.

Like you, I believe kids need to memorize basic facts and know how to do long division etc. But we are told not to do those things and we could be in serious trouble if we disobey our know-nothing administrators directives. It's frustrating, but we need to make a living too. No one listens to the lowly teacher who works i the trenches. We need to listen to 6 figure consultants, many of whom were failed teachers, and 6 figure administrators and superintendents. I'm as angry as anyone.

Alright......... That took balls

I respect that.

Cheers

[Ash74]

Back to topic

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/kelly-mcparland-kathleen-wynne-helps-no-one-with-her-outbursts-about-harper

I think Wynne is just putting up a stink so she can start blaming all the terrible things that are about to happen in Ontario on a Harper win.

Her current popularity is down and she is looking for a shake up. Or she could be trying for a win in the by election so she will not have to face the new leader of the P.C party.

Her grand standing will not help JT nor will her being seen with Bill Blair the police carding champion.

[-1=e^ipi]

I guess I was brainwashed by the university faculty who told me that the discovery method was best. Who was I to challenge? I thought I was being trained by experts.

I wouldn't call that brainwashed. More like you were presenting with evidence that supported the hypothesis that discovery math was the best so you went with that evidence. But the thing is, university faculty can develop a confirmation bias and a culture which leads them to a false conclusion. Did they approach things objectively and skeptically?

If you were trained by these experts, then could you point me to some scientific papers that show me that discovery math is superior to 'regular' math at the 95% confidence level?

[socialist]

I wouldn't call that brainwashed. More like you were presenting with evidence that supported the hypothesis that discovery math was the best so you went with that evidence. But the thing is, university faculty can develop a confirmation bias and a culture which leads them to a false conclusion. Did they approach things objectively and skeptically?

If you were trained by these experts, then could you point me to some scientific papers that show me that discovery math is superior to 'regular' math at the 95% confidence level?

I don't believe in discovery/inquiry math any more. There is no solid evidence, but the spin miesters know how to spin, as you are well aware. Discovery/inquiry math was forced on us because it mad people a lot of money. The kids suffer.