Evening Star Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Privatization (which includes "contracting out" as opposed to hiring salaried staff) and the loosening of (Federal) Government oversight......furthermore, the (re)liberalization of several aspects to the private ownership of firearms and devolution of the Wheat Board (and Supply management?).......several more major free trade deals...etc etc OK, I'll give you most of these points. They have only loosened government oversight in specific areas, e.g. environmental regulations on business. They have totally been on the side of authoritarian big government when it comes to crime policy, defence and foreign policy, FN issues, restricting communication from PS scientists and academics, drug policy. C-51 significantly expands the scope of state power over the individual, more so than e.g. a higher corporate tax would seem to do. One could make a case that in many of these areas, the Green Party or even the old Liberal Party are more libertarian. Still, I probably wouldn't vote for a libertarian party anyway so maybe I'm guilty of what I suspected Second Class of doing on the socialism thread? Edit: also see - support for the monarchy, size of the cabinet Edited July 9, 2015 by Evening Star Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Posted July 7, 2015 OK, I'll give you most of these points. They have only loosened government oversight in specific areas, e.g. environmental regulations on business. They have totally been on the side of authoritarian big government when it comes to crime policy, defence and foreign policy, FN issues, restricting communication from PS scientists and academics, drug policy. C-51 significantly expands the scope of state power over the individual, more so than e.g. a higher corporate tax would seem to do. One could make a case that in many of these areas, the Green Party or even the old Liberal Party are more libertarian. Still, I probably wouldn't vote for a libertarian party anyway so maybe I'm guilty of what I suspected Second Class of doing on the socialism thread? Actually, though I'be cast my share of blank ballots in the past, when I have checked a candidate, I'very checked NDP and Green candidates Federally and NDP, Green, PC, and Libertarian candidates provincially. The fact that I vote candidate and not party probably plays a role in this diversity of voting patterns, but it does lead us to question where the Libertarian Party votes are coming from. I don't doubt that some come from the Conservative camp, but I could also imagine more than a few from the left protesting it's ethnocentrism. Then compound that with social corporatists finding the NDP to be too labour socialist and though not opposed to tax increases, better public education, and a better social safety net, still want the structure of these to still be conformant to the laws of economics, efficient, and evidence-based as opposed to blindly ideological and ethnocentric. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Posted July 7, 2015 That said, I could possibly end up voting Libertarian Federally for the first time depending on my candidate. Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Actually, this government has given individual First Nations members more rights. Property ownership on some reserves for example. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Posted July 7, 2015 Actually, this government has given individual First Nations members more rights. Property ownership on some reserves for example. They also intend to give them more land and sovereignty over their resources and membership. Depending on how much land and the quality of that land, it could work. They also propose the ability to sue for damages caused by polution. Corporations beware. Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 They also intend to give them more land and sovereignty over their resources and membership. Depending on how much land and the quality of that land, it could work. They also propose the ability to sue for damages caused by polution. Corporations beware. They also proposed giving individual members power over their school system (which is funny, because that's exactly how the reserve near me handles it. My chief is part of the group that always opposes so he opposed for no reason) through the same methods used by the rest of Canadians. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Posted July 7, 2015 But taking myself as an ecample: Federally aside from casting blank ballots, I'very previously voted NDP and Green, never Liberal or Conservative, and am now willing to consider the Libertarian Party. It does lead to the very legitimate question of just which party's votes a full slate of Libertarian candidates would actually split. To be fair though, more than half of my Federal casts have been blank ballots, so losing my vote is a small price for the NDP and Greens. I can imagine true blue died in the wool conservatives voting Green being a much grater threat to the CPC. But it still doesn't thane the fact that the Libertarian Party could cost the NDP and Greens at least some votes. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) They also proposed giving individual members power over their school system (which is funny, because that's exactly how the reserve near me handles it. My chief is part of the group that always opposes so he opposed for no reason) through the same methods used by the rest of Canadians. How would they enforce that if they support autonomy? At best, they could recommend it. But I think once they have more autonomy as nations, they would also become more assertive as individuals. That would have to come gradually over time. Edited July 7, 2015 by Second-class Canadian Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 How would they enforce that if they support autonomy? At best, they could recommend it. But I think once they have more autonomy as nations, they would also become more assertive as individuals. That would have to come gradually over time. This is where we differ. I think autonomy as individuals is far more crucial. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Posted July 7, 2015 This is where we differ. I think autonomy as individuals is far more crucial. Perhaps. But as for their platform, the Party seems to be supporting national autonomy for First Nations which is actually in line with the party's support for national autonomy for Canada, wanting to reduce participation in the UN system. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) They also support provincial autonomy, leaving education and health care to the provinces. Edited July 7, 2015 by Second-class Canadian Quote
The_Squid Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 They also support provincial autonomy, leaving education and health care to the provinces. Why would they support a Provincial gov't, but frown upon a national gov't? Once it shifts, would they then support local govt's having more jurisdiction than a Provincial gov't? A lot of their policies are nonsensical, although their military policies seem alright. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 Why would they support a Provincial gov't, but frown upon a national gov't? Once it shifts, would they then support local govt's having more jurisdiction than a Provincial gov't? A lot of their policies are nonsensical, although their military policies seem alright. They actually support national autonomy for First Nations. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 Why would they support a Provincial gov't, but frown upon a national gov't? Once it shifts, would they then support local govt's having more jurisdiction than a Provincial gov't? A lot of their policies are nonsensical, although their military policies seem alright. They actually support national autonomy for First Nations. Quote
Canada_First Posted July 8, 2015 Report Posted July 8, 2015 Everyone should be equal. No special status for anyone. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted July 8, 2015 Report Posted July 8, 2015 Everyone should be equal. No special status for anyone. You just made a micro-aggression. If you worked for Berkeley, your job may be put at risk due to that statement. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 Everyone should be equal. No special status for anyone. So the provinces should have less autonomy and all ought to be centralized to give the same rights to everyone? Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) What about Canada itself? By being autonomous, does it not give different rights than other states? Should we advocate for a unitarian world government with no autonomy for any state in the name of the same rights for everyone? Edited July 8, 2015 by Second-class Canadian Quote
Bryan Posted July 8, 2015 Report Posted July 8, 2015 A lot of their policies are nonsensical, although their military policies seem alright. I'm seeing the opposite. Most of their policies are are pretty solid, but their military policy is ludicrous. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 I'm seeing the opposite. Most of their policies are are pretty solid, but their military policy is ludicrous. Given Canada's febt, how is their military policy ludicrous? Quote
Bryan Posted July 8, 2015 Report Posted July 8, 2015 Given Canada's febt, how is their military policy ludicrous? We can afford both to pay the debt down and to increase our military. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 We can afford both to pay the debt down and to increase our military. And where will the money come from? Quote
Bryan Posted July 8, 2015 Report Posted July 8, 2015 You don't know where government revenue comes from? Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 You don't know where government revenue comes from? So you support raising revenue then? Taxes, fines, fees? Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 I'm not against paying more towards the national debt, but not bloating the military. That said, I support gun rights. Quote
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