Second-class Canadian Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 The following is intended as half satirical, but I figured it could help to open up serious conversation pertaining to race relations in Canada. Does Canada need separate Anglo-Protestant and Franco-Catholic townships outside our cities? Given how some Canadians can't handle living with different people, I was wondering about the idea of the Government establishing townships to leave the rest of us alone. Only those who identify as Canadians of British and French origin who speak either English or French and who profess the Protestant or Catholic Faith would be allowed to visit or reside, while the rest of us (which would include people like myself) could live outside these townships; and only English Protestant or French Catholic separate schools would be allowed within the townships. This way, the people living in the townships couldn't be bothered by the liberal laws outside the townships, while those of us living outside the townships could enjoy a more open and integrated community. Quote
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 I don't think i've ever met any Canadians who can't handle living with other people. I'm an immigrant, and I've never met a Canadian who couldn't handle living with me. But then, I'm fairly easy going. Quote
msj Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 Hmmm, didn't know that "Anglo's" and "Franco's" were from different races. They seem so similar. Unless you mean being Protestant or Catholic is being of a race - which is clearly stupid given that one can choose to believe in the nonsense of either religion. Or one can choose to be Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist or Atheist or Pastafarian etc... None of these are races either. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Second-class Canadian Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Posted July 3, 2015 I don't think i've ever met any Canadians who can't handle living with other people. I'm an immigrant, and I've never met a Canadian who couldn't handle living with me. But then, I'm fairly easy going. I don't think i've ever met any Canadians who can't handle living with other people. I'm an immigrant, and I've never met a Canadian who couldn't handle living with me. But then, I'm fairly easy going. I don't think i've ever met any Canadians who can't handle living with other people. I'm an immigrant, and I've never met a Canadian who couldn't handle living with me. But then, I'm fairly easy going. I don't think i've ever met any Canadians who can't handle living with other people. I'm an immigrant, and I've never met a Canadian who couldn't handle living with me. But then, I'm fairly easy going. I don't think i've ever met any Canadians who can't handle living with other people. I'm an immigrant, and I've never met a Canadian who couldn't handle living with me. But then, I'm fairly easy going. I'very rarely met such Canadians. When I have it's usually been in online forums. Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Posted July 3, 2015 Why the repeated quotes? Must have been a glitch. Quote
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 I'very rarely met such Canadians. When I have it's usually been in online forums. Having trouble with the quote feature? I find Firefox works best with this site. Quote
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Why the repeated quotes? Must have been a glitch. I thought you were just overcome with the sheer magnificence of the prose. Edited July 4, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
August1991 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Given how some Canadians can't handle living with different people, I was wondering about the idea of the Government establishing townships to leave the rest of us alone. Only those who identify as Canadians of British and French origin who speak either English or French and who profess the Protestant or Catholic Faith would be allowed to visit or reside, while the rest of us (which would include people like myself) could live outside these townships; and only English Protestant or French Catholic separate schools would be allowed within the townships. This way, the people living in the townships couldn't be bothered by the liberal laws outside the townships, while those of us living outside the townships could enjoy a more open and integrated community. In fact, Canada at its origin, allowed different people to live together and it did this by explicitly recognizing them. But this recognition was a practical affair. America has had only one Roman Catholic president, elected in 1960. Your first "black" president in 2008. Our first Catholic minority federal PM was elected in 1896. Since 1968, we have had only Catholic federal PMs until Stephen Harper (he's our first WASP federal PM excepting Kim Campbell since Pearson.) Then again, unlike the US, Canada is largely a Catholic country, with an open mind - sort of. IME, modern Catholics hate the Vatican, but really hate Protestants. Edited July 3, 2015 by August1991 Quote
Argus Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 Given how some Canadians can't handle living with different people, I was wondering The majority of the population in both Toronto and Vancouver, are foreign born. Canada has allowed a higher percentage of immigrants to come and live among them for the last decades than any other nation on the planet. Would you care to offer up the evidence Canadians 'can't handle living with different people'? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Posted July 4, 2015 The majority of the population in both Toronto and Vancouver, are foreign born. Canada has allowed a higher percentage of immigrants to come and live among them for the last decades than any other nation on the planet. Would you care to offer up the evidence Canadians 'can't handle living with different people'? This from another thread: We have enough Chinese here. I went shopping the other day and the whole mall was taken over by them. I remarked many times the same thing out loud that day. Too many asians in here for me...feel like I'm in China...I don't like feeling as an minority in my own country. They very secretive and clannish not to mention heavily racist. More racist than others in my experience. They almost never mix with other peoples. Just my observations. So no we don't need a millions more to come here. Plus will they start wanting to have dog and cat eating here as well?. Cat and dog butcher shops?...No thank you. I'm sure some of this type would appreciate the establishment of townships only their type could visit or reside in. Quote
Argus Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 This from another thread: I'm sure some of this type would appreciate the establishment of townships only their type could visit or reside in. I've spent a lot of years on this earth. One of the consistencies I've noticed, which has been backed up by studies, is that the majority of people prefer to be around their own kind most of the time. They don't at all mind mingling with others who are quite different on occasion, but most of the time, they're simply more comfortable with people who think and act and believe as they do. You'll find Nigerians, for example, preferring to be among people who grew up and came from the same area as they did, first, people from Nigeria, second, people from Africa third. It's the same for people from other parts of the world. It's the same for people IN other parts of the world. This is considered pretty much natural among others. Only here in Canada do some people look aghast at that tendency, and even then only when it's exhibited by white people. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Posted July 4, 2015 I've spent a lot of years on this earth. One of the consistencies I've noticed, which has been backed up by studies, is that the majority of people prefer to be around their own kind most of the time. They don't at all mind mingling with others who are quite different on occasion, but most of the time, they're simply more comfortable with people who think and act and believe as they do. You'll find Nigerians, for example, preferring to be among people who grew up and came from the same area as they did, first, people from Nigeria, second, people from Africa third. It's the same for people from other parts of the world. It's the same for people IN other parts of the world. This is considered pretty much natural among others. Only here in Canada do some people look aghast at that tendency, and even then only when it's exhibited by white people. Strange that. My closest friends have different religions, languages, and skin colours. 5 hey don't seem bothered by me either. Any stats to back your claim? Again, maybe these townships would be good. Quote
Argus Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 Strange that. My closest friends have different religions, languages, and skin colours. 5 hey don't seem bothered by me either. Any stats to back your claim? Again, maybe these townships would be good. Honestly, why do you need a scientific study to back up what is obvious all around us? Especially in Canada, where we see those of different ethnicity mostly hanging around with those like them? People, by and large, are more comfortable, feel a sense of kinship, of togetherness, with those who they see as being like them. It's that way all around the world. And that includes China. Not only do Chinese prefer to hang around together, they prefer to hang around those from their particular province and region of China. Again, no one questions that this is natural except among certain extremely liberal minded white people. Of course, in Canada, particularly in places like Toronto and Vancouver, you don't get to have that sense of community kinship since you're immersed in a foreign milieu from around the world. But most people in the world experience it and are quite content that way. They don't WANT to half their town/city/province to be made up of foreigners, and if you tried to accomplish that there'd be bloody, murderous riots. But in Canada, simply quietly saying you prefer to be among those like you seems to horrify the politically correct (if you're white, that is). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3336375/We-prefer-people-we-think-are-similar-to-ourselves.html http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/babies-prefer-individuals-who-harm-those-that-arent-like-them.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/research-human-friendships-based-on-genetic-similarities-beyond-the-superficial/2014/07 /14/8aea04fe-0ab5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/research-human-friendships-based-on-genetic-similarities-beyond-the-superficial/2014/07/14/8aea04fe-0ab5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
-1=e^ipi Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 The majority of the population in both Toronto and Vancouver, are foreign born. Canada has allowed a higher percentage of immigrants to come and live among them for the last decades than any other nation on the planet. What about Australia? Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Question: Given this: I'very rarely met such Canadians. When I have it's usually been in online forums. And this: Strange that. My closest friends have different religions, languages, and skin colours. 5 hey don't seem bothered by me either. Why would you say this in the OP? Given how some Canadians can't handle living with different people, Where are they all? Other than a poster on here that you quoted. Edited July 4, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Posted July 4, 2015 The word "some" is open to interpretation. I'm sure it's a small number, but there are still some. Quote
Argus Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 What about Australia? As far as I know ours is the highest. Australia would be number two. It's worth noting that until the last few years the UK has been Australia's largest immigration source country, and it, and Europe, are still very big suppliers of immigrants. Canada largely abandoned Europe about twenty five years ago, and only recently has it begun to show some interest in recruitment from the UK and France, though nowhere else. Immigration from the UK or France isn't much higher than from the UAE at around 6000. By contrast, over 25,000 British immigrants arrive in Australia every year. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Posted July 4, 2015 Are you suggesting that ethnicity should trump qualifications? Quote
Argus Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Are you suggesting that ethnicity should trump qualifications? It does now and has for years. Immigration follows immigration. If you have a lot of people coming here from country A, then you're going to continue having a lot of applications from country A. The more you get, the more will apply because those here communicate with those back home. What we've never had in this country is a discussion about exactly what our $22 billion a year immigration system is for and what we want out of it. Do we want it to offset our aging population? If so we should be focusing on young immigrants in their twenties. We don't, though. Our average immigrant age isn't much different than that of the average native born Canadian's age, since we often take middle aged immigrants and they can bring over their parents. Do we want immigrants who can help pay the bills? If so we should be focusing on immigration source countries which our own data shows produce the most economically successful immigrants. After all, poor immigrants don't pay taxes. Without regard to skin colour, the government's own statistics show that immigrants from Europe and the US make about 3 times, on average, what immigrants from western Asia and Africa make. http://global-economics.ca/empin_immigrant_region.htm How many immigrants should we be taking? That depends on what we want to accomplish with immigration. And no one has ever said what that is except in vague, general terms which are not supported by any studies or evidence. Edited July 4, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
-1=e^ipi Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 As far as I know ours is the highest. Australia would be number two. It's worth noting that until the last few years the UK has been Australia's largest immigration source country, and it, and Europe, are still very big suppliers of immigrants. Canada largely abandoned Europe about twenty five years ago, and only recently has it begun to show some interest in recruitment from the UK and France, though nowhere else. Immigration from the UK or France isn't much higher than from the UAE at around 6000. By contrast, over 25,000 British immigrants arrive in Australia every year. Australia Foreign born population: 25.0% Canada Foreign born population: 20.1% We are number 2 (excluding small city states). Australia beats us. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Overseas%20born%20population%20%283.6%29 Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Ignore this post. Wrong thread. Edited July 4, 2015 by Second-class Canadian Quote
Argus Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Australia Foreign born population: 25.0% Canada Foreign born population: 20.1% We are number 2 (excluding small city states). Australia beats us. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Overseas%20born%20population%20%283.6%29 Well, if you want to change the metric, I suppose. Of course, the majority of their foreign born are British, and the second highest number are New Zealanders... But Canada will let in 300,000 immigrants this year with a population of 35 million. Australia will let in 190,000 with a population of 23 million. Thus Canada is admitting a higher number of immigrants, not only overall, but as a percentage of its population. Edited July 4, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Posted July 4, 2015 Wasn't Canada built on immigration through colonization prior to Confederation? Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Posted July 4, 2015 Immigration helped to shrink the indigenous influence. Quote
Canada_First Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 People emigrated to Canada when it was being built. Emigration not immigration....immigrants are poor. Emigrate come with money....capital. Quote
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