Conservatism and Behavior

[Bryan]

Is this willful ignorance or just repeated sound bites picked up a some Conservative circle jerk? The following acts and programs are all federal responsibilities and have been weakened, cut or undermined by the Harper regime to make extracting and transporting tarsands as easy and cheap as possible:

Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, 
Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency, Canadian Environmental Protection Act, Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act, Fisheries Act, Navigable Waters Protection Act, Energy Board Act, Species at Risk Act, Parks Canada Agency Act, Canadian Oil and Gas Operations, Coasting Trade Act, Nuclear Safety Control, Canada Seeds Act, Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Act, National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, Water Programs, Wastewater Survey, Environment Canada.

Redundancies were reduced. That's a good thing.

[Mighty AC]

Redundancies were reduced. That's a good thing.

These are federal laws and regulations, not redundancies. Ignorance is bliss I guess...

[Bryan]

These are federal laws and regulations, not redundancies.

Federal laws and regulations that had needless bureaucracy, layers of red tape, and multiple agencies doing the same job. Now they are more streamlined and much better able to respond where needed.

[jacee]

That's really what's going on is pretty much every case that lefties try to claim that the feds "cut" anything. All that really happened was they reduced layers of redundancy.

Well if you believe that then you don't understand watersheds. They don't always confine themselves within provincial boundaries.

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Edited June 9, 2015 by jacee

[Mighty AC]

Federal laws and regulations that had needless bureaucracy, layers of red tape, and multiple agencies doing the same job. Now they are more streamlined and much better able to respond where needed.

Absolute BS. Lying loud and often doesn't make a truth. Regulations were simply cut, data collection halted and reporting silenced to make it easy to transport bitumen and it difficult to track the associated contamination problems. http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/05/10/Bill-C38/ These are not efficiencies, environmental laws were decimated with changes hidden in a massive 400+ page omnibus bill that was fast tracked to prevent discussion and debate.

Edited June 9, 2015 by Mighty AC

[Bryan]

Lying loud and often doesn't make a truth.

Then you should stop, because what you're writing here is nonsense.

[Mighty AC]

Then you should stop, because what you're writing here is nonsense.

The CPC decimation of environmental protections cannot be characterized as the removal of redundancies, not even close. Read the link, read about the cuts and policy changes. Ignorance is no longer an excuse when it becomes willful.

[jacee]

The CPC decimation of environmental protections cannot be characterized as the removal of redundancies, not even close. Read the link, read about the cuts and policy changes. Ignorance is no longer an excuse when it becomes willful.

And that is what we're dealing with ... here and in Ottawa.

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[Bryan]

The CPC decimation of environmental protections cannot be characterized as the removal of redundancies, not even close. Read the link, read about the cuts and policy changes. Ignorance is no longer an excuse when it becomes willful.

Your link is from an activist site. They are deliberately misrepresenting the situation and so are you.

[GostHacked]

Yeah, it's almost like referring to the American government as the Obama administration. Rolls eyes.

American media does it all the time.

[Mighty AC]

Your link is from an activist site. They are deliberately misrepresenting the situation and so are you.

Please, by all means point out any errors present in the article. The piece was written by a federal MP and I chose the link because of the concise and easy to read summaries of the many changes, but if you doubt the accuracy I have listed several more below that confirm the same thing.

We all know the gutting of environmental laws was done to lubricate the pipeline building process. If you feel that contaminating water bodies and destroying habitats and fish stocks is a small price to pay to sell more oil, then argue that. However, the fact that cons like yourself knowingly lie about the rationale for Harper's decimation of environmental protections suggests that, on some level, you know the CPC was wrong and is in the pocket of the oil industry.

http://www.elc.ab.ca/Content_Files/Files/Bill38AnalysisArticlefinal.pdf

http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/214160/Environmental+Law/Bill+C38+Fisheries+Act+Changes+Jobs+Growth+And+A+Little+Gutting+Of+The+Act

https://politicsofevidence.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/c-38-factsheet.pdf

http://www.lawnow.org/canadian-federal-environmental-assessment-law/

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/david-suzuki/bill-c-38-environment_b_1591420.html

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/media-release/2012-05-10/may-clarifies-deliberately-confusing-bill-c-38

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/point-of-order-2/

http://wcel.org/sites/default/files/publications/Top%2010%20Environmental%20Concerns%20of%20Budget%20Bill%20C-38.pdf

http://s.cela.ca/files/Cooper-May22-notes-and-EcoJ-WCEL-summary.pdf

Edited June 9, 2015 by Mighty AC

[Argus]

These are federal laws and regulations, not redundancies. Ignorance is bliss I guess...

Do you think it's a good thing for multiple levels of government to have laws covering the same thing, conducting inspections of the same thing, requiring documentation of the same thing?

[Mighty AC]

Do you think it's a good thing for multiple levels of government to have laws covering the same thing, conducting inspections of the same thing, requiring documentation of the same thing?

Is this a separate theoretical question or are you also trying to claim that moves like weakening or eliminating the environmental assessment process on federal lands, allowing the federal cabinet to overrule, in secret, any assessments that are done, allowing more waste to be dumped at sea, restricting the ability of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans from protecting fish or oceans are simple redundancies, already handled by the provinces?

Do water bodies, air masses or animal populations ever cross provincial borders?

[On Guard for Thee]

Federal laws and regulations that had needless bureaucracy, layers of red tape, and multiple agencies doing the same job. Now they are more streamlined and much better able to respond where needed.

And more toothless when more bitumen is needed.

[Argus]

Is this a separate theoretical question or are you also trying to claim that moves like weakening or eliminating the environmental assessment process on federal lands, allowing the federal cabinet to overrule, in secret, any assessments that are done, allowing more waste to be dumped at sea, restricting the ability of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans from protecting fish or oceans are simple redundancies, already handled by the provinces?

Do water bodies, air masses or animal populations ever cross provincial borders?

I suppose they do, but if there's pollution in one its in one province or another. In the meantime, for all this 'weakening' I still see years of hearings and bureaucracy before any pipelines can get built.

[Bryan]

We all know the gutting of environmental laws was done to lubricate the pipeline building process. If you feel that contaminating water bodies and destroying habitats and fish stocks is a small price to pay to sell more oil, then argue that. However, the fact that cons like yourself knowingly lie about the rationale for Harper's decimation of environmental protections suggests that, on some level, you know the CPC was wrong and is in the pocket of the oil industry.

None of those things happened. It really is that simple. Multiple agencies and jurisdictions were responsible for overlapping tasks, and a some of that overlap was reduced. That is it.

[Mighty AC]

I suppose they do, but if there's pollution in one its in one province or another. In the meantime, for all this 'weakening' I still see years of hearings and bureaucracy before any pipelines can get built.

Once the necessary political agreements have been met, builders, operators and shipping companies have very little left to worry about in regards to environmental damage.

[Mighty AC]

None of those things happened. It really is that simple. Multiple agencies and jurisdictions were responsible for overlapping tasks, and a some of that overlap was reduced. That is it.

Maybe you have an aversion to reading or knowledge. Maybe you're only permitted to repeat official party talking points. Either way your denial of clear and undeniable facts is laughable. I guess you can bring a con to evidence but you can't make him think.

[poochy]

Maybe you have an aversion to reading or knowledge. Maybe you're only permitted to repeat official party talking points. Either way your denial of clear and undeniable facts is laughable. I guess you can bring a con to evidence but you can't make him think.

So im curious, can you tell us specifically what has been contaminated that the provinces have been powerless to stop as a result of the changes in the federal legislation?

[Canada_First]

Read their platform. Hold them accountable.

If they get a majority, it's not possible to hold them accountable. I have to wait 5 years to hold them accountable. I'm truly afraid that the NDP will destroy Canada. Sometimes it seems like the NDP doesn't like Canada. If they did it wouldn't need to be changed so drastically.

[poochy]

If they get a majority, it's not possible to hold them accountable. I have to wait 5 years to hold them accountable. I'm truly afraid that the NDP will destroy Canada. Sometimes it seems like the NDP doesn't like Canada. If they did it wouldn't need to be changed so drastically.

I dont believe that is any more reasonable a belief than those who think the conservatives have already done it, or will do it. But I do tend to believe that those of us who work for a living pay just about enough to maintain the lives of those who don't, the NDP might have a different view, and i have my own bills to pay.

[cybercoma]

If they get a majority, it's not possible to hold them accountable. I have to wait 5 years to hold them accountable. I'm truly afraid that the NDP will destroy Canada. Sometimes it seems like the NDP doesn't like Canada. If they did it wouldn't need to be changed so drastically.

I'm having a severe case of deja vu. Have we discussed this before?

[jacee]

Oooo ... I'm truly afraid ... he's back. ?

[Canada_First]

I dont believe that is any more reasonable a belief than those who think the conservatives have already done it, or will do it. But I do tend to believe that those of us who work for a living pay just about enough to maintain the lives of those who don't, the NDP might have a different view, and i have my own bills to pay.

If they love Canada as I do then why would they want to change it so drastically? You change things you don't like.

[Je suis Omar]

Mindless patriotism is as bad, often times worse, than personal conceit.

Look at how many of the poor of the world have died because of mindless, brain dead, fake to the bone "patriotism".

Edited June 12, 2015 by Je suis Omar