Sex Education In Ontario

[Ash74]

Some people require sex change operations. Why would you deny that right? More intolerance.

Why do they require it?

Evolution made that person a man or woman.

We do not pay for cosmetic surgery. I have a buddy who had his ear burned off and can't afford a prosodic one. OHIP will not cover it.

You jut said in front of everybody people that do not believe in evolution that they should not have the right to vote. Who are you to talk of intolerance?

Edited February 27, 2015 by Ash74

[On Guard for Thee]

Why do they require it?

Evolution made that person a man or woman.

We do not pay for cosmetic surgery. I have a buddy who had his ear burned off and can't afford a prosodic one. OHIP will not cover it.

You jut said in front of everybody people that do not believe in evolution that they should not have the right to vote. Who are you to talk of intolerance?

Evolution only made them a human. Environment can cause them to doubt there gender assignment.

[Ash74]

Evolution only made them a human. Environment can cause them to doubt there gender assignment.

Fine but if we are talking about the importance of medical treatment I would prefer that a person live than resources going to a psychological issue such as feeling he or she was born in the wrong body.

My eye sight sucks and require glasses and eye exams which are not covered. I have a tooth ache and require a dentist also not covered.

[On Guard for Thee]

Fine but if we are talking about the importance of medical treatment I would prefer that a person live than resources going to a psychological issue such as feeling he or she was born in the wrong body.

My eye sight sucks and require glasses and eye exams which are not covered. I have a tooth ache and require a dentist also not covered.

I hear what you are saying but I dont think the load the occasional sex change puts on the system is worth worrying over much.

[socialist]

And you would know this how?

Some come, many...?...doubtful

I would know this because I have many sources.

[socialist]

Why do they require it?

Evolution made that person a man or woman.

We do not pay for cosmetic surgery. I have a buddy who had his ear burned off and can't afford a prosodic one. OHIP will not cover it.

You jut said in front of everybody people that do not believe in evolution that they should not have the right to vote. Who are you to talk of intolerance?

Evolution explains how we came into being. It doesn't explain why someone is born the sex the opposite of how they feel.

[Ash74]

I hear what you are saying but I dont think the load the occasional sex change puts on the system is worth worrying over much.

I know it is a small number. But so was that little boy needing eye surgery. Or that girl who needed surgery to reinforce her neck and spine. These people were told no but Jill wants to become Jack well OK than lets fill out those forms.

Personally I could care less what a person wants to do with their body. None of my business and better spent on a sex change than another Liberal boondoggle.

But I feel I would be happier if my wife had bigger breasts. That is not covered. My daughter needed braces. Did not get any help there.

Sex change operations are a medical treatment and I don't understand why that is more important than a persons life.

[On Guard for Thee]

I know it is a small number. But so was that little boy needing eye surgery. Or that girl who needed surgery to reinforce her neck and spine. These people were told no but Jill wants to become Jack well OK than lets fill out those forms.

Personally I could care less what a person wants to do with their body. None of my business and better spent on a sex change than another Liberal boondoggle.

But I feel I would be happier if my wife had bigger breasts. That is not covered. My daughter needed braces. Did not get any help there.

Sex change operations are a medical treatment and I don't understand why that is more important than a persons life.

Your post wanders all over the place and basically makes not a lot of sense. No idea what girl you are talking about with the neck and spine thing. Dental stuff we know requires added insurance. So does breast enhancement, thankfully. When a persons life is involved healthcare is there.

[Ash74]

Your post wanders all over the place and basically makes not a lot of sense. No idea what girl you are talking about with the neck and spine thing. Dental stuff we know requires added insurance. So does breast enhancement, thankfully. When a persons life is involved healthcare is

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/25/dalton-mcguinty-health-minister-failed-liam-and-erika

Sorry was on a rant. this article is from the Toronto Sun. I do not expect the editorial to be trusted but it does tell the story better.

[guyser]

I would know this because I have many sources.

Phew...ok then . You have sources.

Well thats good enough for me.

[Ash74]

Then when you thought things couldn't get any zanier, it does. Has anyone heard of this new SunNews called Rebel Media. Similar to Faux News North, the Rebel looks like it's nothing more than phony journalists who stir the pot with baseless reporting. I wouldb't even call it reporting. I call it appealing to the non thinkers. Here, have a look.

http://www.therebel.media/exclusive_confidential_e_mails_show_pedophile_ben_levin_was_a_trusted_friend_and_advisor_to_ontario_s_ministry_of_education_until_the_moment_he_was_arrested_in_2013

What is a phoney journalist?

Come on you yourself have posted articles that came from biased sources. You posted about a columnist that blogs on rabble and that is the most pro union site short of a union site. It is paid for by big unions which is no different than being owned by a corporation.

I do grant you it has more advertisements than the Toronto Sun and all asking for people to send them money.

[Ash74]

I believe Rebel is just a fan funded site for Ezra to deliver his rants. He is now basically a low budget Glenn Beck or Alex Jones.

Actually I think he is just a turd........ Every time he talks I just turn the station. I really do not watch any news on TV. It is just become an entertainment show. Might as well watch an episode of The Office or Big Bang Theory.

I read about six news sources with different takes on the latest stories. I read the Toronto Star is going to be taking down their paywall not that is was hard to get around

[Mighty AC]

Actually I think he is just a turd........ Every time he talks I just turn the station. I really do not watch any news on TV. It is just become an entertainment show. Might as well watch an episode of The Office or Big Bang Theory.

I read about six news sources with different takes on the latest stories. I read the Toronto Star is going to be taking down their paywall not that is was hard to get around

Props! My son was in an elementary school French play. In the script it mentioned props that would be used. I asked him if he new what props were. He said 'Yep' and gave me a fist bump while saying 'props'.

It's important to be skeptical and challenge your own positions. You're a conservative that still reads the Star and Rabble; good for you. I once considered myself a progressive conservative. Unfortunately, it seems that the intelligent and skeptical, fiscal conservative has become homeless these days.

The CPC takeover of the federal PC party coupled with the Republican copycat move to court the Christian vote has led to a host of problems. Cons are now on the wrong side of too many social issues and have adopted an inexcusable anti-science, anti-intellectual stance.

It can be profitable to tell people what they want to hear but it's shameless and harmful.

Edited March 5, 2015 by Mighty AC

[GostHacked]

I don't m ind going in debt for world class services. You want all the goodies, gost, but you think the money to pay for it can come from thin air. Sorry. You are wrong. Debt is healthy in a democratic society that provides world class services for all citizens.

How is debt healthy? And since we have debt, how are we paying for it all? Is debt healthy for you as an individual? When times get tough do you spend more or do you pull back and only focus on the essentials?

[socialist]

How is debt healthy? And since we have debt, how are we paying for it all? Is debt healthy for you as an individual? When times get tough do you spend more or do you pull back and only focus on the essentials?

You cannot compare individual debt to government debt. It reveals a lack of knowledge.

If I go into deep debt because I bought a Ferrari, that is one thing. Bit a government goes into debt because it provides essential services and those services are always costing more.

Your welcome for the simple economic lesson that seems to evade you.

[socialist]

Props! My son was in an elementary school French play. In the script it mentioned props that would be used. I asked him if he new what props were. He said 'Yep' and gave me a fist bump while saying 'props'.

It's important to be skeptical and challenge your own positions. You're a conservative that still reads the Star and Rabble; good for you. I once considered myself a progressive conservative. Unfortunately, it seems that the intelligent and skeptical, fiscal conservative has become homeless these days.

The CPC takeover of the federal PC party coupled with the Republican copycat move to court the Christian vote has led to a host of problems. Cons are now on the wrong side of too many social issues and have adopted an inexcusable anti-science, anti-intellectual stance.

It can be profitable to tell people what they want to hear but it's shameless and harmful.

Mighty AC, toy are very scientifically astute. I'm still in the process of studying and learning.

Would you say that intelligent design is not a part of science?

[AngusThermopyle]

Mighty AC, toy are very scientifically astute. I'm still in the process of studying and learning.

Would you say that intelligent design is not a part of science?

I would most emphatically say it is not a part of science.

[socialist]

I would most emphatically say it is not a part of science.

Thanks for the reply, Angus. I appreciate it. I'm always trying to learn as I am life long learner.

So you are feel that proponents of ID who characterize it as a scientific discipline or as a scientific theory are mistaken?

[AngusThermopyle]

Thanks for the reply, Angus. I appreciate it. I'm always trying to learn as I am life long learner.

So you are feel that proponents of ID who characterize it as a scientific discipline or as a scientific theory are mistaken?

Most certainly. It does not meet any of the criteria required to be considered a branch of science.

[socialist]

Most certainly. It does not meet any of the criteria required to be considered a branch of science.

Would you characterize ID as a pseudoscience?

[GostHacked]

Would you characterize ID as a pseudoscience?

Because it is.

[mrmarconi]

I dont disagree that an update is necessary. Its the age they want to start things that is a problem.

Id like to know what 6 year olds are heing sexualized and who is doing the sexualizing.

It's like this. My child that I brought into this world. My child that I'm rasing and paying for. So ill decide when it would be best to teach them life lessons. Not some overpaid constantly whining teacher or government agent or politician.

Why is it crucial for a 6 or 9 year old to know about oral and anal sex? Or homosexuality?

This new sex ed stinks of political correctness agenda. Parents have every right to pull thier children from class or even school entirely and home school them.

Did you read the curriculum? Because, from what I can tell 6-9 year olds are not going to be learning that. I may be incorrect, if I am, please let me know.

But that's not the point I'd like to make.

"It's like this. My child that I brought into this world. My child that I'm rasing and paying for. So ill decide when it would be best to teach them life lessons. Not some overpaid constantly whining teacher or government agent or politician."

Your child is going to operate in the world with other people, if you do not take the time to teach your child about body autonomy, consent, safe sex, safe sex in the context of a relationship etc, Someone could get hurt.

Not all parents do a poor job in the sex ed department, but many do a poor job, and we see the results. Rape, teen pregnancies, disease, etc.

Consent and harassment is a huge issue, especially in the late high school/university age. Many people really don't understand consent, and don't understand harassment. This stuff needs to be taught and taught early.

From my own experience, as a kid whose parents were very open and available about sex, I was actually pretty surprised at how my friend's parents dealt with the subject. It was by and large, ignored, or it turned into an embarrassing elephant in the room sort of thing, and most dangerously it lead to teen pregnancy, disease, and one run in with the police.

In my case, not so much. Condoms were purchased, sex was had or not, and I had some very helpful and open conversations with my mother when something got a little uncomfortable for me . No judgement. I was made to understand at a reasonably early age that some boys like boys, and some girls like girls, and that's ok, you like what you like, you may even like both. I was very lucky to have been in a sex positive environment, where it wasn't considered "wrong" or "dirty" or whatever.

I see these curriculum changes as a step forward.

[mrmarconi]

There are many parents who, because of religious beliefs, do not believe that gay marriage is acceptable. There is yet no longitudinal data on the long term effects on children of gay parents. I have also run into too many teachers who have become self appointed psychiatrists and psychologists causing far more damage than assistance to a child.

Teachers are human. They will be asked questions when these issues come up. They will be put in a position to have to advise their students if something is right or wrong or proper or improper. I have seen too many teachers with some pretty weird ideas about sexuality, love human relationships. I would not trust them to maintain objectivity in their answers.

I expect that there will be parents who do not want their children taught about sexuality and gay issues by a third person. These issues can be discussed at the end of the school day and the parents should be allowed to remove their children from those classes for that time. The parents should have the right to decide at which time their child is mature enough to understand sexuality and how it is presented according to their religious beliefs.

For many of their formative years, for the young student, the person in front of that classroom can do no bad and has all of the answers. That functions well when that person deals with materials pertaining to school education. It does not function well when it infringes upon the role of the parent. I suggest that teachers stick to instructing about the plumbing and leave the feeling, faith and morality to the parent.

I have looked through the curriculum as identified by Mighty AC (thanks for the summary) and find it personally acceptable for my grandchildren, depending on who was covering that material. But that is my opinion based on my views. I respect that other parents with other views should also be accommodated.

You raise a good point about the religious beliefs. This is always a very touchy one, especially for me. I had a good friend in highschool who was gay. His family's religious beliefs were such that was not really compatible with is sexual orientation. Once his parents got a 'whiff' of his orientation, they and their church community made his live very difficult.

He killed himself before graduating 12th grade.

You reach a point where religious beliefs may not be greater than a person's basic human rights. Some religious groups have for sure started to become more accommodating and changing with the times.

BUT! You also reach a point where religious beliefs need to be acknowledged... Not a simple thing.

Re teachers playing psychologist:

My wife was a teacher. I can't speak for all, but she was trained in psych and especially in identifying possible behavioural and developmental issues with her kids. The idea behind this is that sometimes you can catch a child while they are young and get them referred. Almost without failure, some parent who "knew better" would ignore or override her recommendations, and almost without failure that child would struggle going on in the grades. It's not the old days like when my uncle started in the 60s, they took him and were pleased because he had a degree! Teachers are well trained.

Parent's don't like to hear that their child has a problem, and the rants I've had from parent friends are almost all the same "Oh those teachers don't know anything!". No, not at all, they did a bachelor's degree and then a further couple years in teachers' college.

[socialist]

Because it is.

Do you think that what makes ID a pseudoscience is that it is religion masquerading as science? If ID is something other than a science, what would you say it is?

[GostHacked]

Do you think that what makes ID a pseudoscience is that it is religion masquerading as science? If ID is something other than a science, what would you say it is?

This kind of thing has been dealt with and thrown to the ground many times. You are not the first, and most likely wont be the last.