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[jacee]

So when you talk about men who know what's best for women, you are limiting yourself to whichever man it was who banned face coverings at citizenship ceremonies in the first place, which the SCOC has seen fit to overturn?

Just him?

I was talking about you.

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[cybercoma]

And any honest person would understand that it isn't really a choice. Unless you consider a cultural norm born out of the oppression of women a choice, i wouldn't, and no self respecting feminist who doesn't have an ideological conflict between defending anything that isn't white european and defending womens rights would. Over and over again you trip over your own broken ideology.

So you're against women mutilating their bodies in North America through plastic surgery to meet an impossible beauty ideal depicted everywhere in our culture? I would be more concerned about individuals carving up their bodies through surgical procedures, than a woman who wears a scarf over her mouth and nose.

[Guest]

I was talking about you.

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But we established, early, that I supported the right of women to choose to wear whatever they wanted. I just thought it was shameful that some felt they had to do so under duress.

[cybercoma]

Oh dear me no. He's an example of men who think women should make their own decisions. You, on the other hand, are an example of someone who thinks men should make women's decisions for them.

The only decision that was made for the complainant in this case here was the decision made by white men in the government to force her to uncover herself in a public ceremony. That was the decision made for her. Her choice was to respect her culture and religion by wearing the niqab in public. Her choice was to fight the white men who tried to control the way she dresses because they're scared little boys who don't understand others' cultures.

[cybercoma]

Do you mean with the lady in the OP, or with coverers up in general?

Like I said, I fully support the right of a woman to wear whatever she chooses. I also think it's a shame if she makes that choice based on cultural or religious views forced upon her by others.

Which bit of that don't you like?

You make every decision in your life based on your culture. If you entirely rejected your culture, you would not be able to function in society.

[Guest]

You make every decision in your life based on your culture. If you entirely rejected your culture, you would not be able to function in society.

And if that means spending the rest of your life bagged up in a sack because you would otherwise pose too much of an erotic threat to the men around you, well, consider youself lucky to be able to function in that society. Even if those running the society can't see or hear you function, or care if you are functioning at all.

Still think it's a shame.

Edited February 28, 2015 by bcsapper

[Guest]

The only decision that was made for the complainant in this case here was the decision made by white men in the government to force her to uncover herself in a public ceremony. That was the decision made for her. Her choice was to respect her culture and religion by wearing the niqab in public. Her choice was to fight the white men who tried to control the way she dresses because they're scared little boys who don't understand others' cultures.

Oh, white men! Well, you should have said. I had no idea that the biggest threat to Muslim women came from white men!

[jacee]

But we established, early, that I supported the right of women to choose to wear whatever they wanted. I just thought it was shameful that some felt they had to do so under duress.

We're talking about the court case.

Find a woman who wants your advice. :lol:

We're talking about the court case.

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Edited February 28, 2015 by jacee

[cybercoma]

And if that means spending the rest of your life bagged up in a sack because you would otherwise pose too much of an erotic threat to the men around you, well, consider youself lucky to be able to function in that society. Even if those running the society can't see or hear you function, or care if you are functioning at all.

Still think it's a shame.

Nobody's talking about a burqa here, which I can only assume is what you mean by "being bagged up in a sack." Wearing a scarf over your face is something many Canadians do for 6 months out of the year and they function just fine. Edited February 28, 2015 by cybercoma

[cybercoma]

Oh, white men! Well, you should have said. I had no idea that the biggest threat to Muslim women came from white men!

The biggest threat to this woman's personal freedom to wear what she wants came from white men who created laws that were not valid. That's why the courts overturned it.

You can sit here and pretend you give a crap about personal freedoms all you want. This woman fought for her personal freedoms and won. You're fighting to force her to have the "choice" of making the only choice you deem correct.

[Guest]

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Find a woman who wants your advice. :lol:

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I sure hope you can't, for their sake.

[jacee]

I sure hope you can't, for their sake.

Unlike you, I don't care what women choose to wear. Nobody's business what their choices are, nor why.

Some men, however, should NEVER wear sweatpants and a t-shirt they've 'grown' out of with 2 days chin growth.

A burqa and niqab would work well.

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Edited February 28, 2015 by jacee

[Guest]

The biggest threat to this woman's personal freedom to wear what she wants came from white men who created laws that were not valid. That's why the courts overturned it.

You can sit here and pretend you give a crap about personal freedoms all you want. This woman fought for her personal freedoms and won. You're fighting to force her to have the "choice" of making the only choice you deem correct.

I'm not for forcing her into anything That's why I support her right to cover herself up if she wants to. Even if she doesn't want to, but feels she should so she can function in society, as you suggested.

Still a shame that she has to though. If she does, I mean.

[Guest]

Unlike you, I don't care what women choose to wear. Nobody's business what their choices are, nor why.

Some men, however, should NEVER wear sweatpants they've grown out of.

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Well, that applies to all sexes, I can assure you.

[jacee]

Well, that applies to all sexes, I can assure you.

True.

Do you think we should make it illegal?

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[Guest]

True.

Do you think we should make it illegal?

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Best not. I don't think I could handle another thread.

[jacee]

Best not. I don't think I could handle another thread.

[LemonPureLeaf]

Nobody's talking about a burqa here, which I can only assume is what you mean by "being bagged up in a sack." Wearing a scarf over your face is something many Canadians do for 6 months out of the year and they function just fine.

Canadians take off the scarf to drive and when indoors in public. Big difference. Not the same thing at all.

[LemonPureLeaf]

The only decision that was made for the complainant in this case here was the decision made by white men in the government to force her to uncover herself in a public ceremony. That was the decision made for her. Her choice was to respect her culture and religion by wearing the niqab in public. Her choice was to fight the white men who tried to control the way she dresses because they're scared little boys who don't understand others' cultures.

From her culture in Pakistan they also kill homosexuals, heretics and apostates. we must also embrace these as well right? Its a peaceful religion, right?

[On Guard for Thee]

From her culture in Pakistan they also kill homosexuals, heretics and apostates. we must also embrace these as well right? Its a peaceful religion, right?

And all that has exactly what to do with her...

[WestCoastRunner]

Unlike you, I don't care what women choose to wear. Nobody's business what their choices are, nor why.

Some men, however, should NEVER wear sweatpants and a t-shirt they've 'grown' out of with 2 days chin growth.

A burqa and niqab would work well.

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I don't entirely agree with this statement. It's great to say that these women have won the right to wear their choice of 'face gear'. The problem is that these women have not really 'chosen' to wear this 'face gear'. A lot of folks jump on the band wagon of letting them exercise their religious rights, blah, blah, blah. The fact remains, that these women are being held to a servant role of hiding their face to please the men of their religion.

In most cases, this isn't their choice. It is the choice of the men of the household. When they come to Canada, we should do everything we can to demonstrate to these women that they do actually have .a choice. They don't need to cover their face.

[poochy]

You are just another example of men who think they should make women's choices for them.

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And you are an example of someone who consistently argues things that are over their head.

[On Guard for Thee]

And you are an example of someone who consistently argues things that are over their head.

You must mean like over womens heads since we are talking about niqabs.

[nerve]

it is remarkable the scc struck this down while a judge in Quebec refused to hear a plaintiffs case to get her repoed car back until she removed her headscarf cause hats and sunglasses arnt allowed... judges are so bloody anal and unreasonable

Edited February 28, 2015 by nerve

[On Guard for Thee]

it is remarkable the sccnkstruck this down while a judge in Quebec refused to hear a plaintiffs case to get her repoed car back until she removed her headscarf cause hats and sunglasses arnt allowed... judges are so bloody anal and unreasonable

Believe it or not, even Harper weighed in against this judge. He claimed as log as your face is not covered you ought to be allowed to have your case heard. We will see where that goes.