On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 Drunk, he might have been, but he accomplished more in his life and did more for his people than Trudeau will EVER manage. Let's see now, you are telling us about something hat hasn't hapenned yet with regard to JT? or are you in the past talking about PET? You need to kind of clarify those things or else you may get ignored. Quote
Shady Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 A drunk and a racist impresses Harper and you find that impressive? You mean Tom Douglas? Quote
Argus Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 Let's see now, you are telling us about something hat hasn't hapenned yet with regard to JT? or are you in the past talking about PET? You need to kind of clarify those things or else you may get ignored. How about he accomplished more than you and all of your ancestors going back to the dawn of time? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 How about he accomplished more than you and all of your ancestors going back to the dawn of time? I'll admit I like my beer, but I have yet to "accomplish" racism, so I think I'm doing OK. At least I don't just howl at the moon. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 You mean Tom Douglas? I believe this thread is about a man named John A. Macdonald if you'd like to keep up. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Posted January 22, 2015 I believe this thread is about a man named John A. Macdonald if you'd like to keep up. Yes it is....and we clearly understand your ad-nauseum viewpoint - that one of Canada's founding forefathers - and a PM for 19 years - was a drunk and a racist and not much else. Thank you for your contribution On Guard. You're a lovely Canadian. Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 Yes it is....and we clearly understand your ad-nauseum viewpoint - that one of Canada's founding forefathers - and a PM for 19 years - was a drunk and a racist and not much else. Thank you for your contribution On Guard. You're a lovely Canadian. Don't blame me for what your man did. Quote
Shady Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 Don't blame me for what your man did. And what about Tom Douglas? Who do we blame for what your man said and did? At a much more recent time too. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 And what about Tom Douglas? Who do we blame for what your man said and did? At a much more recent time too. You mean the guy who brought you healthcare? Quote
Smallc Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 I'll admit I like my beer, but I have yet to "accomplish" racism, so I think I'm doing OK. At least I don't just howl at the moon. You're unable to consider historical context, then? Quote
Smallc Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 You mean the guy who brought you healthcare? Ah, so you're able to consider the accomplishments of a left wing racist, but not a right wing one (who arguably contributed far more). Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 Ah, so you're able to consider the accomplishments of a left wing racist, but not a right wing one (who arguably contributed far more). I haven't said John never accomplished anything, just wanted to make sure people got the other side of the story than this glowing report Harper seems to want you all to believe, once again. Quote
Smallc Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 I haven't said John never accomplished anything, just wanted to make sure people got the other side of the story than this glowing report Harper seems to want you all to believe, once again. The other side of the story, in a historical context, is very close to meaningless. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 The other side of the story, in a historical context, is very close to meaningless. That's an opinion, and you're welcome to it. Quote
Smallc Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 That's an opinion, and you're welcome to it. The historical context isn't an opinion, no. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 The historical context isn't an opinion, no. You weren't talking about context, you were talking about "the other side of the story". Whether it matters to you or not is simply your opinion. Quote
Smallc Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 You weren't talking about context, you were talking about "the other side of the story". Whether it matters to you or not is simply your opinion. No, I'm talking about whether or not the story of his drunkenness and racism was remarkable in a historical context. It isn't. His central role in the creation of Canada, is in fact, quite remarkable. It's not an opinion. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 No, I'm talking about whether or not the story of his drunkenness and racism was remarkable in a historical context. It isn't. His central role in the creation of Canada, is in fact, quite remarkable. It's not an opinion. The fact that Canada came into being (well sort of) on his watch is not an opinion. The signifigance of the "other side" certainly is. Quote
Smallc Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 The fact that Canada came into being (well sort of) on his watch is not an opinion. The signifigance of the "other side" certainly is. Not it's unusualness in a historical context. Quote
jbg Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 All this has done is ensure that *every* disagreement with natives ends up in court because they will always argue that "not agreeing with something means they were not consulted" despite the fact that the word consult was deliberately used to indicate that agreement is not required. This also means the court has enormous flexibility and can rule any way it wants for any given issue based on a subjective "quality" of consultation. What this also means is you cannot predict how the court will result whenever consultation is a requirement.On the issue of the "'quality' of the consultation, I wonder whether the party to be consulted with is the corrupt, millionaire band leader (think Attawapiskat) or the FN people themselves, via some form of referendum? Or the FN amending process, whatever that is. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 I'll admit I like my beer, but I have yet to "accomplish" racism, so I think I'm doing OK. At least I don't just howl at the moon. Macdonald was no more a racist than all your ancestors, or would you like to basically say everyone from that era was a racist? I suppose by modern standards you could do that, but it would be infantile. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 Don't blame me for what your man did. I think he's blaming you for how shallow and simplistic your views are. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 The fact that Canada came into being (well sort of) on his watch is not an opinion. The signifigance of the "other side" certainly is. Macdonald's contribution to the creation of the Canadian nation is not opinion. Your simple-minded dismissal of everyone before the era of political correctness as racist IS Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
TimG Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) On the issue of the "'quality' of the consultation, I wonder whether the party to be consulted with is the corrupt, millionaire band leader (think Attawapiskat) or the FN people themselves, via some form of referendum? Or the FN amending process, whatever that is.There is a case in BC where the duly elected leader signed a deal to give up land and pocketed 800K as a "fee". This deal only came to light because of the transparency act (which native apologists whine endlessly about) and now the deal is being contested in court because the "community" was not "consulted". This implications are horrendous because a decision against the government would make it impossible for anyone to negotiate a deal with a native band that cannot be over turned later because of spurious 'we were not consulted' claim Edited January 23, 2015 by TimG Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 Macdonald's contribution to the creation of the Canadian nation is not opinion. Your simple-minded dismissal of everyone before the era of political correctness as racist IS I've already stated as much, so I'll leave the "simple minded" stuff to you. Quote
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