$8,000,000,000

[August1991]

The figures - I cannot recall exactly - were in 1993 about 3,200,000 in all government services in Canada: in 1998 about 2,900,000. They have climbed a little since then as some social programs have been improved.

eureka, no insult intended, but WTF?

You may not like this source (Fraser Institute) but the data is reliable.

Government and GDP

These stats show that Canadian governments bought 15.0% of GDP in 1966 and 18.6% in 1996. They transferred 7.3% of GDP in 1966 but 16% in 1996.

You tell me if these numbers are too high or too low.

[Guest eureka]

I don't know whether they are too high or too low. It would take an army of researchers to discover that.

They are, though, not the same thing. I am giving you employment in all government services. BTW, I tried to search for that number again but came up with several thousand sites. I did find this a few years ago and I assure the numbers are close to correct.

That GDP relationship may be accounted for by a myriad things. Increased Equalization or social spending or new programs. Military procurements or what have you. Changes in health care funding. Things have changed since 1966 and I don't think the Fraser Institute, if it published that comparison without explanation is being honest.

If it does indicate more government involvement, then the reduction in employment is all the more remarkable.

[brianw]

You make many statements but not one reasoned response,

I provided two examples of tax revolts. Your response was to say that you don't believe the american revolution was a tax revolt but a scam prepetrated by the founding bureaucracts of the US. This contradicts history books. I suppose since you don't want to believe then those are scams as well.

You claim that bureaucracy is good yet you also claim that the first bureaucrats of the US were only interested in getting rich (this supports my statement that government = get rich quick scheme). You seem to flip flop back and forth whenever it suits you.

History is full of unregulated markets that collapsed in Capitalist systems. History is full of examples of societies that had low tax regimes and collapsed under the weight of the social unrest that comes from an uncared for society.

I have provided examples could you please provide some?

Your talk of "parasites" identifies the wrong group. There are parasites who "latch on." They are the already wealthy and their political sycophants who order society to their personal benefit. They are a common insect, particularly in North America.

No I did identify the proper group. You state that they are already wealthy. well that pretty much accounts for the politicians dosen't it? The same people you are stating that

are not part of the identified group.

I must go now but I will continue to pick your statements appart later.

[Guest eureka]

You are picking nothing that is visible on line. I have tried to explain that taxes in the American colonies were low and the tax imposed was for the provision of their own security. I have tried to explain to you that the issue of taxes was merely a ploy of the elites in the colonies. "No Taxation without Representation" was no more than the same kind of slogan so beloved of the elites today. "Tax and and Spend" was the clarion call of one of the most spendthrift governments we have had - the Mulroney government. Just as it is in the US now with George Bush.

The American Revolutionary leaders were all, with only a couple of exceptions, wealthy landowners and merchants. Paine, their polemicist, was an ardent supporter of the French Revolution and its false cries of Liberty. The founders, by the way, were not bureaucrats. The colonies already had a large measure of self government and pretty much ran their own affairs but wanted British protection at no cost.

That is the history you don't learn without going beyond grade 9.

Examples of unregulated Capitalist societies are every Capitalist society. All Capitalist societies have been forced to adopt regulation and all Capitalist socieities are "welfare" societies. Some just do a better job than others.

[brianw]

You are picking nothing that is visible on line. I have tried to explain that taxes in the American colonies were low and the tax imposed was for the provision of their own security. I have tried to explain to you that the issue of taxes was merely a ploy of the elites in the colonies. "No Taxation without Representation" was no more than the same kind of slogan so beloved of the elites today. "Tax and and Spend" was the clarion call of one of the most spendthrift governments we have had - the Mulroney government. Just as it is in the US now with George Bush.

The American Revolutionary leaders were all, with only a couple of exceptions, wealthy landowners and merchants. Paine, their polemicist, was an ardent supporter of the French Revolution and its false cries of Liberty. The founders, by the way, were not bureaucrats. The colonies already had a large measure of self government and pretty much ran their own affairs but wanted British protection at no cost.

That is the history you don't learn without going beyond grade 9.

Examples of unregulated Capitalist societies are every Capitalist society. All Capitalist societies have been forced to adopt regulation and all Capitalist socieities are "welfare" societies. Some just do a better job than others.

You are picking nothing that is visible on line.

Does life only exist on line?

So what are you saying? History books change after grade 9? Or nobody except you has an education above grade 9? You want us to believe that we were taught one thing up to grade 9 then suddenly people are taught "gotcha, just kidding, the american revolution was a scam". That is your personal view not facts.

You also want us to believe that the american political system was just a change in the leader after the revolution and the rest of the system was the same.

The founders, by the way, were not bureaucrats.

But what was produced was a bureacracy.

Examples of unregulated Capitalist societies are every Capitalist society.

That is not an example, again your persoanl view. But it is a very good indication of your thinking. Wasn't that a slogan used during the cold war? Wasn't it repeated over and over by some group? What was it called? A socialist republic something or other?

All Capitalist societies have been forced to adopt regulation and all Capitalist socieities are "welfare" societies.

You were asked to provide examples of unregulated societies that failed and you go on to say that all Capitalist societies failed and they are all welfare societies. Does this mean that our society will eventually fail for the same reasons.

[JWayne625]

3 Billion into Healthcare, 3 Billion into defence, 1 Billion into tax rebate, and 1 Billion into the blackhole known as other.....

Stoker; you should have said the other blackhole known as Quebec, because that's where Ottawa loves to waste money. Someday they will wake up and realize that regardless of how much money they pump into Quebec it will never be enough to keep those whiners quiet.

[Big Blue Machine]

I think we need more than 3 billion into the military.